trial day 41: the defense continues its case in chief #120

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
when I know these text messages word for word.

Do we really need Alyce to give her opinion on every single text?
 
I think ole Alyce is gonna be "feeling the wrath" once MrMartinez gets his shot at her.
 
I swear if travis gave jodi a million dollars alv would still be able to find something abusive about it

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Just reinforcing the power differential don't ya know.
 
this isn't even real testimony.

it's JW, telling a story while ALV sticks in a 'yes' now and then.

come on. am i wrong? it's all leading and it's a narrative BY the attorney, with very little being elicited from the EXPERT!

never saw anything like this before.
 
Oh yeah! The woman who came up to JA and told her about Lisa and Travis!
I remember her.
Her name was Zanny. I'm pretty sure she was a nanny.

:facepalm:

Well, she has to make up a person so she won't be thought of as a stalker.
 
I'd swear on the Tao of Pooh that everything in Travis' email/texts is incredibly reasonable considering he was in a relationship of sorts with a raging psychopath. He was fed up and frustrated with the crazy-making, gaslighting, brainwashing emotional manipulation merry go round.

He seems incredibly patient, all things considered. JMO
 
I'd be ready to scream if I were a juror.
 
So Jodi's response was " have a good day."

And JW and ALV are trying to say that she was sincere in saying that?
 
I see gaslighting, but whatever.
She makes some demand which he goes out of his way to comply with, she then shows no gratitude and acts like she got what she was rightfully entitled to, he get pissed, she acts like he has no right to be pissed.
 
I feel like banging my head against a door frame.
 
I think when Jodi says things like "Have a nice day!" and other niceties, she isn't trying to deescalate the situation, she is being a smartass, and that only makes things worse. Anyone with half a brain can see right through her crap!!
 
Dont worry ya'll Juan will straighten this out.
 
JA's responses to TA's long texts were just another way to make him more upset. Using phrases like "Don't worry, be happy", addressing him as "Hun" and keeping her texts short, she is making it seem as if she does not care. It was just another ploy/tactic to make him more upset, to show his emotion. Most likely she got enjoyment out of making him upset, thinking somehow he still cares if he is upset.
 
missed some testimony - got phone call

how severe choking was? . . she lost consciousness - and woke up a little while later.
where is choking on conflict tactic scale - very high on scale - personal, close up, life threatening, serious form of abuse in ALV opinion - escalation - 1 month difference

oct to jan, jan to mar, mar to april, and intenstity is increasing.

JA said she started to defend self but afraid she would hurt him and stopped. . . . not inconsistent when taken self-defense classs -experience of physical contact most women do not have that kind of experience - uncomfy with hurting someone else

she lost consciousness. . . .
minimizing? . . . JA fair amount of minimizing going on with physical and emotional abuse . . take incident make it less important or significant than it is to others. . . many battered women minimize abuse taken . .

hard to take in something very painful to you - easier to make it less than what it really is . . .what used to be a crime is a misdemeanor . . . nobody ever lay hand on me or call me that is happening and I am not ready to leave relationship - hope they don't go further until they go further- gradual nature one of reasons minimize

protect abusers reputation - or not talk about it all . . . common not to report, not to go to Dr. or LEO . . . detect minimization from her? .. . yes since first time talked with her . . . not seen as abuse . . . . minimize instances . . . .

minimize throughout im's and text messages - she moves on after aggressive and demeaning context of conversation . . she moves on. . .

in April see escalation in violence . . . .seeing more in April . . . April 7, 2008 . . . exhibit #444
he's asking where are you? . . . Holister :) . . . . normal conversation

skip to few hours later . . . long text message from TA . . . zooms in to see it on screen . . .just hours prior - normal conversation . . . do not call me or text me anything - he wants info from her . . . what this tirade is about . . . . TA wanted identity of woman come to her resteraunt said TA had a significant relationship with Lisa Andrews . . .

he's talking about her getting that info right away - it takes 15 min and she won't take that time . . . he accuse her of lying . . . . give me info or leave me alone . . . a lie like noother - freaking foolish - screwed up story can't mend it . . . another told her he was in realtion with another woman while in relaton with jody . . . he is upset and angry . . .. turns to threats . . you have til tomorrow - threaten to tell Hughes - in Jan 2007 they loved JA . . . Leslie Udy about all crazy things JA has done. . . fess up or feel his wrath . . . no bad truth - punishment will be better than the lie.

truth nothing else from you until truth . . . after tomorrow - gonna get real bad for you - time to spit it out. . . accuse her of lying about info that is bad about him . . is this true . . he in relation with Lisa Andrews while in relation with JA?
objection
approach


Andrews had relation with TA from 7/07 until ?/08 . . . being in relation with 2 different women . . . Andrews has similar conversation with TA .. . if she listens t other people she will get false info about him . . . now he is upset with JA for her saying I heard something bad about you.

how he words things . . . veiled threats in it . . . sort of non-descript some of them . . . tell people she cares about . . . not sure if he means about sexual stuff . . . talk badly about JA . . . feel the wrath . . . someone says non-descript kind of threats - undermine basic security . . someone you love says these things . . .

he has already kicked her and broken finger . .
objection - not feel MY wrath but feel THE wrath.
make any difference?
choked, kicked, finger broken, slapped across neck/face by one person who says feel the wrath . . . is that abusive? . . . I think it is . . .

battered women in general depends on level of abuse in relationship - history of this in past will have . . .. more meaning . . . it has happened and veiled threat attached to reality.

characterize relationship as abusive still? yes

#445 - texts between TA and JA 4/8/08 - he is talking about her leaving something behind when she moved . . . TA gotten a picture for her - she wanted him to sign it . . .she forgot and left it when packing . . . .

he upset she left it behind . . . thanks a freaking lot for having me sign in ink and then you left . . . always drama with you . . . .she responds . . .doesn't sound like me being dramatic . . call me.

she is sort of coming back @ him - he says do not call back - I am sick of you being childish tactics . . stupid *advertiser censored* way ruining another day . . . will have a genuine dislike for her because she forgot a picture . . . she needs to stop it before he starts seeking revenge . . . kicked, choked and broken finger -

she responds with sorry - pattern she has - he gets upset she apologizes for her behavior. she says have good day - don't worry be happy - she doesn't respond mean or violent way back to him.

he responds with another long text . . . tells her rude and inconsiderate to forget picture .. he goes on and on . . . talk about trying to save his house . . . doesn't believe she is sorry . . .if she was - wouldn't continue on with this stuff - because she left a picture @ his house . . if he had done same to her - she would cry for weeks.

lots comments of JA being a crier . . . written communication from tA . . . and MM also described her as a crier . . . upset - she cries. . . . cry for weeks.

he talks about give her motivation to quit screwing wth him . . . . choked, kicked, broke finger, slapped and hit.

she responds in text . .. she apologizing again and trying to deescalate situation - distance clears her head a bit . . . she is now away from him in California . . . she trying to calm situation down . .when he upset and angry . . . 2 things consistent . . .one is apologizing and being sorry and other is being sexual.

how good she feels that they are separated - thinks it better for both of them . .. tell him she loves him . . happy & thankful . . . .nice to him . . .blame self for leaving picture - one last ditsy thing . . .. she writes him to thank him for calling very nice of him . .

seems tirade over based upon text messages.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
139
Guests online
268
Total visitors
407

Forum statistics

Threads
609,546
Messages
18,255,451
Members
234,684
Latest member
lampshade_run
Back
Top