trial day 44: the defense continues its case in chief #134

[deb2e]

do you think they are going to play more sex tapes with the witness they are calling next ..is that why the sister was crying today

 

[Words2Serve]

She reviewed transcripts of interviews with other witnesses. If she did separate interviews with them would they be expected to say something different than what they said the first time to LE or the prosecutor? And if they did, would that be more or less credible? I have no issue with her relying on sworn statements or statements to LE. That would be typical and expected.

IMO the big point with this was her own statement that 90% of the clinical interview is non-verbal body language. She was basing 100% of her assessment on written words and Jodi. If she felt non-verbal body language was so important in her 'expertise' than logical sense is for her to have personal interviews with as many people as possible in corroborating her data...

Just reading on websleuths intentions in meaning are misread in the tone of a post, so the fact that she didn't even make a phone call to talk with people and get their 'take' on written information is disturbing. As a professional giving an assessment, she should not allow attorneys or anyone to 'dictate' how she should go about her assessment.

 

[verbonica]

"Death." <--- it's just a one word sentence!

IIRC, in AZ it is: no less than 10 years/no more than 25 years.

(she's already served almost 5 years, so she could have possibly been out in 5)

 

[Nhic]

Psychopathy Checklist-Revised:

Facet 1:

Interpersonal

Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative

Facet 2: Affective

Lack of remorse or guilt
Emotionally shallow
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Facet 3: Lifestyle

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsiveness
Irresponsibility

Facet 4: Antisocial

Poor behavioral controls
Early behavioral problems
Juvenile delinquency
Revocation of conditional release
Criminal versatility.
Many short-term marital relationships
Promiscuous sexual behavior



All the boxes are checked for JA

 

[katydid23]

I want to know why ALV thinks that stalking victims have to be held to a standard, but DV victims are forgiven for not holding to a certain standard?

Both are horrific, I'm sure, but why is it that a stalking victim has to take drastic measure to prove that they were stalked? If there are reasons that a DV victim is afraid to leave a situation, then there are also reason why a stalking victim is afraid to rile the stalker.

As it takes time for a DV person to realize what is happening to them, it also takes time for a person to realize that someone is stalking them. It could take months for a stalking victim to realize that their "friend" is invading their privacy or showing up wherever they are, or have put a tracking GPS on them, etc and so on. Just like a DV person can feel that they can reason with their abuser and that it doesn't happen all the time, why can't a stalking person think that they have reasoned with their "friend" or lover and has also concluded that the behavior would stop?

I don't take away from DV victims. I just don't think it's fair to take away from stalking victims. Since they compared the two today, I have to raise these questions.

When my DS was in college, he and his long time high school gf broke up, because they were going to different college towns. I was relieved because I thought she was kind of troubled, although she seemed sweet.

But they did the usual off and on type of thing for awhile, and when the whole thing began to unravel, she began to be kind of a 'stalker.' She would read through his FB and make comments on any other girls wall that he commented upon. She would message my DD and ask her weird questions about where her brother was and what he as up to. She even hacked into aol and changed his password so she could read his message hisory. When she was in town, she would drive past his best friends house at odd hours, to run into them there.

I was worried, and he even expressed some occasional concerns himself. And he would get angry and block her from his FB and his cell. HOWEVER, there was a part of his male ego that kind of enjoyed this 'stalker' behavior. They had been in love at one time, and he had been really hurt by her. So he was still under her spell in some ways. Even after a couple of VERY mean deceitful things that she did. I couldn't believe he would even speak another word to her after what she had done. For just one example, she lied to her parents about something that made my DS look really bad, to save her own arse. And my son
has plans to attend the police academy, and she knew this LIE could prevent him from attaining his life long dream. Even with actions like that, there were a few isolated occasions that she wormed her way back into his life. Usually whenever she found out he had a new gf.

So I totally understand how TA might have expressed concerns that she was a stalker, but might continue to communicate with her. Jodi is a pathological sociopath. She knows how to get under his skin.

 

[VictimsSide]

If you cut a tendon, it usually requires sewing it back together, splint and physical therapy. Must have a doctor take of it.
Wouldn't a break be a crooked finger to the left or right...with an un-natural stiffness to it? Just remembering seeing a guy's finger that had been broken and not properly set, would not bend.

A distinct example I can think of is Rosie O'Donnell while she had her daytime talk show cut a finger tendon and had it properly attended to medically and her finger was never the same, neither laid right, smooth or moved the same and she repeatedly showed it to the audience. I think of that every time I see ja's finger.

 

[ElleElle]

Hmmm Interesting... perhaps. Poor Sam She's so strong & beautiful.

do you think they are going to play more sex tapes with the witness they are calling next ..is that why the sister was crying today

 

[RaineInMD]

The defense's so called recreation in 42 seconds was a JOKE. They left out major time consuming things, like him yelling at her about the camera, the body slam, closing the door and then opening the door of the closet.

And did you notice how SLOWLY the man followed behind her 'in chase.' Travis was supposedly in a murderous rage, so why did the recreation show him in slow motion?

Even if I interject an abusive man sitting naked in the shower who was verbally abusive and had 2 previous physically abusive incidents I seriously cant believe that his first reaction to a dropped 1500 dollar camera would be a murderous rage, in a split second, and go after the "dropper..imo it would take a few seconds for him to realize what happened, then he would go to check out his camera to see if anything was broke (his rage is building) this would also take a little time, then the rage would build to murderous and he goes after her....there is absolutely no way for the rage to build to murderous and everything else that happened all in 62 seconds!

I dont have any first hand experiences with an abuser...oh wait under ALV definition ive been living with one happily for 33 years! SMH...anyway, does anyone on the board have some experience/knowledge to say my opinion may be off and the so called murderous rage could happen in an instant, camera forgotten and his mind only on murder!

 

[cubbeegirl]

A distinct example I can think of is Rosie O'Donnell while she had her daytime talk show cut a finger tendon and had it properly attended to medically and her finger was never the same, neither laid right, smooth or moved the same and she repeatedly showed it to the audience. I think of that every time I see ja's finger.

I cut my tendon in my finger, had surgery, physical therapy and it still is not right...after 3 months of hell with it they said I could re-do the surgery. My son was 3 at the time... I said , no thanks ! They told me that tendon grafting is difficult and does not have a good success rate. Keep in mind this was almost 20 yrs ago, so they may have much better success with it nowadays.
Jeez, I am old !

 

[BetsyB]

I can't imagine EITHER side being interested in ANYTHING she's written in journals since arrested because it's clearly established they are FANTASY. They only matter to JA because they are HER reality and no one elses, and don't even have a passing acquaintance to Reality. She lies in her journals. Period. They are of no use to anyone.

I agree completely that Arias's words are meaningless. And I also agree that her writing is fantasy; her journals were written with a courtroom audience in mind.

I do not think, however, that Arias is disconnected from reality. She's not psychotic---she knows what is real and what is not. She simply believes she can manipulate others' perceptions of reality.

Unfortunately, she's doesn't have the Einsteinian intelligence she imagines, and she's not nearly as shrewd as she believes. She didn't commit the perfect crime she imagined, and she isn't going to get away with it.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Hi, diid you hear they will cover the Trayvon Martin case in June? I heard Vinnie report it will be on HLN.. sorta looks like they switched channels.:floorlaugh:It is the crying Judge.lol..I gave up on it. Vinnie is such an intelligent man, he should have a better postion. He is/was a prosecutor. :seeya:

Hi Nore :seeya:

I really like Vinnie, and I wish he didn't agree to do the lame "HLN After Dark" program, because he is one of the TH's on HLN that I don't mind watching.

I'll be interested in the Trayvon Martin case. Does anyone know if that one is going to be televised? I'm so consumed with this trial I have tunnel vision lol. :lol:

 

[shygrl]

I don't know how anyone could see the autopsy photos and still think Jodi was justified when she murdered Travis.

I don't think Travis was perfect, but no one is. He may have been a jerk to her. Even if he did everything she says (I don't think he did) he still did not deserve what she did to him! So he said some mean things to her....guess what it happens all the time to people. Most people just suck it up and move on. She is not the first person to be used.....not an excuse for murder.

The "experts" that have testified for Jodi still haven't said anything that explains why she brutally murdered him. She was in a fog, ok so what will stop her from going into another fog and killing some more? She was abused (I don't considered the relationship abusive, but whatever) but she still wouldn't stay away from her abuser. What will stop her from killing someone else who yells at her and makes her feel bad? Even if her parents did "abuse" her like she says so many people have been through much worse. I don't think it has anything to do with what she did to Travis.

Jodi is sick. Not the kind of sick where mental health professionals can help you. Not the kind of sick where people can support you and love you through it. She is cold blooded killer sick. The type of person who can't be helped, doesn't want help and she is actually sick enough to think she is ok. She thinks killing him was ok. She thinks putting him on trial and continuing to hurt his family and friends is ok. She thinks lying is ok.

I hope this trial ends soon. I hope justice is served. There is a special place in hell for people like her and a special place with the angels for people like Travis.

 

[Mare10]

Night night everyone I'm off tomorrow so I will be able to watch live. Sleep well my frinds Didn't I just sound like one of those commercials for Heiniken, lol. Night night

 

[atthelake]

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[IBsleuthin]

ANYONE that can look at their own diagnostic criteria and REFUSE to simply state YES OR NO to seeing the word 'stalking' in the column, just simply likes to argue for the sake of it.

I think there's a DSM # for that somewhere. How completely aggravating.

As always...MHOO

 

[Kamille]

PATTERNS, Kamille. We were looking for PATTERNS today. But Alyce couldn't find any (no surprise there). :floorlaugh:

My bad. Do patterns come together in that two handed circular motion too? :floorlaugh:

 

[Rocco]

ANYONE that can look at their own diagnostic criteria and REFUSE to simply state YES OR NO to seeing the word 'stalking' in the column, just simply likes to argue for the sake of it.

I think there's a DSM # for that somewhere. How completely aggravating.

As always...MHOO

I seriously wonder what the men on the jury think of Miss Alyce. Oh wait.....no I don't :floorlaugh:

 

[IBsleuthin]

I don't know how anyone could see the autopsy photos and still think Jodi was justified when she murdered Travis.

I don't think Travis was perfect, but no one is. He may have been a jerk to her. Even if he did everything she says (I don't think he did) he still did not deserve what she did to him! So he said some mean things to her....guess what it happens all the time to people. Most people just suck it up and move on. She is not the first person to be used.....not an excuse for murder.

The "experts" that have testified for Jodi still haven't said anything that explains why she brutally murdered him. She was in a fog, ok so what will stop her from going into another fog and killing some more? She was abused (I don't considered the relationship abusive, but whatever) but she still wouldn't stay away from her abuser. What will stop her from killing someone else who yells at her and makes her feel bad? Even if her parents did "abuse" her like she says so many people have been through much worse. I don't think it has anything to do with what she did to Travis.

Jodi is sick. Not the kind of sick where mental health professionals can help you. Not the kind of sick where people can support you and love you through it. She is cold blooded killer sick. The type of person who can't be helped, doesn't want help and she is actually sick enough to think she is ok. She thinks killing him was ok. She thinks putting him on trial and continuing to hurt his family and friends is ok. She thinks lying is ok.

I hope this trial ends soon. I hope justice is served. There is a special place in hell for people like her and a special place with the angels for people like Travis.

I want to know how a naked man posing for photos in the shower presents a big enough threat to have to SLAUGHTER him to defend yourself. RUn outside! Naked man outside probably not a big threat. Naked man probably not that big of a threat.

:moo:

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

ANYONE that can look at their own diagnostic criteria and REFUSE to simply state YES OR NO to seeing the word 'stalking' in the column, just simply likes to argue for the sake of it.

I think there's a DSM # for that somewhere. How completely aggravating.

As always...MHOO

As far as a DSM IV diagnosis for stalking, no there is not...it's just a symptom of an illness that has a category and code.

As far as a diagnosis for arguing for the sake of it, same thing....just a symptom.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Before I left here this afternoon I would have sworn there was only one tape, Now there are several? How did I miss this after being consumed with this trail for the last few months? WTHeck? What else did I miss ? Are there more tapes or no? I'm so confused now.