trial day 48: REBUTTAL #147

[Love Never Fails]

Not to take anyone down a rabbit hole but this is my understanding...

Sociopath as an actual mental health diagnosis doesn't exist anywhere. Psychopathy is a term used mainly by forensic psychologists and psychiatrists. In terms of actual clinical diagnosis, the closest one can come to psychopathy currently is antisocial. For another month anyway.

The DSM-V is blending antisocial and psychopathic traits as a more complete classification. Antisocial was meant to replace psychopathy initially - but many researchers/pioneers have always had certain issues with the criteria and wording involved. (Personally, I see them as two separate but very closely linked disorders.) Many clinicians use antisocial and psychopathy interchangeably but the assessments for either disorder are markedly different. The only tests available specifically for psychopathic assessment are considered forensic - the PCL-R (Hare) and the PPI-R.

JMO

So the new language is borderline personality disorder? Sounds like nothing. I like psycho better. Why not just come out and say she is psychotic and slaughtered the man, in her professional opinion? These terms seems to change so often, no wonder jurors find it confusing,

 

[TXProfessional]

Yes, please forgive! I have corrected. Lots of initials to remember!

In that case Third Coast Gal, great post.:seeya:

 

[ElleElle]

Dr. DeMarte was always one step ahead of JW; just like the guy that hired her- Juan the Man

The DT is going to get destroyed... just wait, this is only the beginning! Muwahahahahaa *evil laugh* :giggle:

Can't wait to see wait KatieCoo has to say! :rocker:

JW gets an A+ for trying to tear down DD's background and education, however, she failed miserably at these attempts. Overall grade: F-!

 

[Ammonitida]

Actually, she said the opposite. She said that she didn't feel compassion right out of the chute. But she admitted experiencing a level of compassion with some subjects, while still able to control it in order to limit bias.

I think JW scored a jury point or two with it.

The Defense is not being shut out, just overwhelmed.

That's quite different than apologizing outright and sending your clients gifts (and altering test scores).

This "point" will be taken off once Juan redirects.

 

[DrPepper]

Just got back and am viewing again on hln, WHY is Jodi now paying so much attention?

Looks bad...very bad for her. She's got that chin up.

At 8:04 she shot major daggers at DrD! Did you see it?
It was evil!

 

[Mellinyce]

Dr Drew 'Do you agree defence is doing well?' OMG what a joke and now they're saying DD has stage fright .. OK I've got to turn HLN off.

turned it off as soon as she said dr. D had stage fright and dry mouth! STHU lady! lol

 

[SyraKelly]

Actually, she said the opposite. She said that she didn't feel compassion right out of the chute. But she admitted experiencing a level of compassion with some subjects, while still able to control it in order to limit bias.

I think JW scored a jury point or two with it.

The Defense is not being shut out, just overwhelmed.

but didn't they use children as an example..who would not feel compassion for an abused child.She said she would,but would remain unbias

 

[ShadyLady]

Wilmott, it's not about the length of the resume, it's about the quality of the work. You will not shake DeMarte's credibility

For the millionth time...Wilmott confused quantity with quality.

 

[katydid23]

Dr Drew just saw and commented upon the brilliant manuever of this witness when she discussed pedophilia. JW got the rug pulled out from under her on that one. LOL WELL DONE, Young Doctor. :thankyou:

 

[Love Never Fails]

I swear they hire these people to come onto the shows purely for dramatic effect.

P.S. I think JVM and Lauren Lake should be on one show together so they can yell, screech and lunge at each other and leave the rest of us out of it.

I also thought Dr D came across as very nervous and very thirsty. However, that did not take away from her professional attitude and ability to answer the questions right.

 

[kscornfed]

I will be curious to see if JW drops the CV angle and gets into the meat of the case. I don't think she is going to get anywhere with trying to beast this witness up with anything in her CV. JMO

She only has one way to cross. She's done it with every witness. She's too methodical. It's not effective because she loses everyone early on. I don't think she's going to get anywhere trying to take JD down. I don't think it can be done, and even if it could, JW isn't going to be the one to accomplish it.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

This made me laugh...Since people don't view this as their religion, I don't think it should be offensive. Honestly, I never heard about it until this case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBB1OU5S1NM

Ha! I think Jodi is a perfect example of how the 'law of attraction' does jack cr** unless you work your butt off in a positive direction at the same time (and really it's the working not the magical thinking that's helping). For all Jodi's solid determination to 'think positive things .. ' and all the rest of it, she ended up broke, broken up, having murderous thoughts, and now in jail and on a trial where her best hope is to save her life.

How's that working for ya Jodi?

 

[ElleElle]

I wonder if she was raised in the Michigan area. She has very French-like and Cherokee features.

Gosh, and MOO, but she LOOKS an awful lot like JA. In a prettier, less creepy way.....but facial features, coloring...... Yeah.

 

[Donnareit]

Hi All, I am an attorney (not yet verified by Websleuths). I watched JW's cross today and I am underwhelmed. I guess the point that JW is trying to make is that Dr. D. is inexperienced... but JW is falling short and the result is that Dr. D. simply is getting more opportunities to expound on her experience and education. Notice that JW seems to be asking questions that allow the witness to talk, rather than "directing" the testimony as Juan does on cross.

Whether you like Juan's style or not, from an attorney's standpoint, he is phenomenal at controlling a witness on cross. Cross-exam is a very tough skill that many attorneys will never perfect in their careers, but Juan does it. He also seems to have a slight or partial photographic memory. His ability to recall dates, specific phrases, specific incidents, previous testimony, etc is incredible and rare.

Even more amazing, he has the evidence ready to no matter which tack the witness takes.

 

[snowcat]

Hi All, I am an attorney (not yet verified by Websleuths). I watched JW's cross today and I am underwhelmed. I guess the point that JW is trying to make is that Dr. D. is inexperienced... but JW is falling short and the result is that Dr. D. simply is getting more opportunities to expound on her experience and education. Notice that JW seems to be asking questions that allow the witness to talk, rather than "directing" the testimony as Juan does on cross.

Whether you like Juan's style or not, from an attorney's standpoint, he is phenomenal at controlling a witness on cross. Cross-exam is a very tough skill that many attorneys will never perfect in their careers, but Juan does it. He also seems to have a slight or partial photographic memory. His ability to recall dates, specific phrases, specific incidents, previous testimony, etc is incredible and rare.

thx for your insight. ITA and Juan is amazing to watch in action. Do you know if the dt will get to do surrebuttal with their own witnesses after Juan? I've heard both opinions off the forum and am wondering it anyone knows for sure? Would it be the judge's discretion or automatic or not at all.
tia

 

[HarvestMoon]

At 8:04 she shot major daggers at DrD! Did you see it?
It was evil!

I'm still :floorlaugh: court is rolling along Demarte is testifying, the camera pans to the defendant, glasses are just about falling off, as they sit on the very end of her nose. It looked really nutty.

 

[BritsKate]

So the new language is borderline personality disorder? Sounds like nothing. I like psycho better. Why not just come out and say she is psychotic and slaughtered the man, in her professional opinion? These terms seems to change so often, no wonder jurors find it confusing,

Oh no, that's not what I meant. Antisocial was meant to replace psychopathy - and will be blended in the new DSM but it can't be confused with borderline. That's another Cluster B entirely.

I personally believe someone can be psychopathic and borderline, or psychopathic and avoidant, or psychopathic and narcissistic...or loads of other combinations. She was dx'd by this psych as borderline. My personal opinion is she's likely more than 'just' borderline though. No clinician or therapeutic psychologist would diagnose her as a psychopath. Not yet anyway.

She is not, and never has been, psychotic. Ever. It's often confused with psychopathic but psychosis alludes to a total mental break with reality altogether.

 

[bznbear]

Hi All, I am an attorney (not yet verified by Websleuths). I watched JW's cross today and I am underwhelmed. I guess the point that JW is trying to make is that Dr. D. is inexperienced... but JW is falling short and the result is that Dr. D. simply is getting more opportunities to expound on her experience and education. Notice that JW seems to be asking questions that allow the witness to talk, rather than "directing" the testimony as Juan does on cross.

Whether you like Juan's style or not, from an attorney's standpoint, he is phenomenal at controlling a witness on cross. Cross-exam is a very tough skill that many attorneys will never perfect in their careers, but Juan does it. He also seems to have a slight or partial photographic memory. His ability to recall dates, specific phrases, specific incidents, previous testimony, etc is incredible and rare.

WELCOME!!!!! :seeya:

And I noticed that about JM as well. I am blessed with great recall, and I am very impressed with his nearly flawless ability to remember the most minute details!

He is incredible!

 

[spcagrl]

LOL I know! When I had my golden (RIP) and was around her breeder or any breeder, they use the b-word like it's no big deal. It means "female dog" and is just a word, with no human connotation to it. You hear them say it ALL the time! But I could never get used to it and refused to use that word so would refer to my female as "my girl." They'd just roll their eyes at me.

It's funny, isn't it, that a word considered a "bad word" is really just a word that in another context is used regularly and not bad at all. When we showed our Chesapeake girl to her championship, around that time, we bought a good sized boat, and DH wanted to name it "Winners B**ch"......just because he could get away with using the bad word in the right context. I would NOT let him, afraid he would jinx us! So the boat is named after our little champion sweetheart......
Schooner II!

 

[ShadyLady]

At 8:04 she shot major daggers at DrD! Did you see it?
It was evil!

Missed it...will watch it again. Jodi is sending the evil eye {witchcraft beliefs}......don't think she'll have much luck. Dr DeMarte is much more powerful. :rocker: