trial day 50: REBUTTAL; #153

[Wolfpack Fan]

Nancy Grace said last night that the engagement ring Travis bought was for an old girlfriend named Linda, I think. I had never heard of her. I had just assumed that it was one he had bought for either Deanna or Lisa. He had dated Deanna off and on for seven years. He had asked Lisa to marry him. In what time frame did this other girl fit? I didn't know that anything about the ring had been brought out in court until Dr. D mentioned it. I thought it was just talked about on HLN.

 

[Sleuth5]

Morning guys! :seeya:

So, Jodi has been diagnosed with BPD which seems to fit her like a glove.

Many people with BPD have posted on this site and provided us with more insight into this diagnoses. Murder does not seem to be a factor in this illness.

So, my question is: Does everyone think that Jodi has other mental conditions that would have caused her to carrying out this brutal premeditated murder? I mean, what normal person would do this?

BPD + Mashugana = Throat Slasher. That is my diagnosis. :seeya:

 

[kaRN]

I'd be interested in what witnesses folks would like to be called. For instance, Jodi claimed she left Salinas/Monterey and went to Pasadena [a 5 hrs. drive] ostensibly to take pics of Darryl's daughter's new baby. When she arrived, she couldn't reach the new mother, her calls were not returned, and she proceeded on her journey....which just so happened included taking I-10 E straight to Mesa. I'd like to hear from Darry's daughter about whether she knew Jodi was coming and why she didn't return Jodi's calls, if even made.

Dr. D didn't agree JA was impulsive but I tend to believe she was. My guess is the new Mom didn't want JA anywhere near her baby and suddenly got a call from her out of the blue and ignored it.

 

[Sleuth5]

One of the juror questions to Samuels and/or ALV was something like 'Do you think you spent sufficient time evaluating JA' or something to that effect.

The jurors didn't ask Demarte a single question about her limited time and she spent way less than Samuels/ALV. Speaks volumes!

Yes! I think they had the feeling that she, unlike the other two, actually met the real Jodi.

 

[Jackson44]

Hubby was bit by a copperhead on his right pinky. He will be in ICU, then move him in to another room tomorrow. Thanks for all the prayers. Much appreciated and love you guys.

Sending good thoughts that your hubby is doing much better today!

 

[raisincharlie]

thanks, I heard her say that, but did she say how she knew it? did JA tell her, or was it in the police reports? do we know how? I am sure there is SOOOO much we don't know....

I do not recall her saying how she knew about the ring and I seriously doubt Jodi would have told her. I think it is much like the tire slashing incident, people knew, people suspected but there was no concrete proof. The significant thing about the ring, to me, was the fact it was an engagement ring TA had bought for someone else and it didn't pan out. He was supposedly saving it to trade in on a new one when he found Ms. Right. Other than those things, that's all we know, no time frame or the outcome, wish we did know.

 

[kscornfed]

just listening again to JW try to cross examine JDM. wants to use the 'anger subscales.'

JDM: 'that would be an inappropriate use of the MMPI.'

JW: 'well, let's take a look at them anyway.'

JDM: 'they're uninterpretable.'

and JW plows on!!

 

[Sleuth5]

Wooohooo! CAT fight!!! :cat:


Errr... I mean how deplorable. They need to respect chicks a lot more.

Indeed. No room for gratuitous mud wrestling. Stay out of the ring, ladies!

 

[kaRN]

For anyone interested in JA MMPI-2 "elevated" scores on the 10 Clinical scales. She was elevated on 7 of the 10 clinical scales.

I was most interested in the one she was the most elevated on and thought you might be too. Her T-score on the Psychopathic Deviate scale was a 105 (highest of all of her elevated scores) with 65 being the threshold for clinically significant. If you want to research the scales the developer of the test is Pearson.

Psychopathic Deviate (PD)- Hathaway & McKinley (1944). (50 items). High: Poor impulse control, disidentification with societal standards, authority conflicts, marital and family conflicts, inconsiderate, narcissistic, poor judgment, extroverted, self-confident, hostile, parasitic and externalizes blame. Low: Overly conventional and conforming, passive, trusting and non-competitive. Pd is a great characterlogical scale of narcissism, externalization of blame, exploitiveness, and hostility. The subscales for Pd are very important in understanding elevations in Pd. Elevations in Pd can be due to a hostile, exploitive and truly psychopathic mentality, or moderate elevations can be an extroverted normal going through a divorce, or a normal teenager. If Pd-O is greater than Pd, then the more pathological interpretations should be used. If Pd-S is higher than Pd, then the more benign interpretations should be used. It is helpful to also look at the content scales of anger, authority problems, family problems etc. to help understand elevations in Pd.

I know scales need to be seen globally as well as individually, yet I do not understand why this scale was not discussed in detail/ad naseum IMHO.

It was likely deemed far too prejudicial. Thanks for finding that!!!

 

[Really?]

I have often wondered if she was naked under the Christmas tree with the idea of what a Christmas present she was to TA. :blushing:

I doubt that....lol...it was a party she wasn't invited to....not sure why she showed up...or...where she lived at the time...and I believe it was Travis who told her she could not stay as there was no room for her....so she found a spot on the floor under the tree....this is what I heard before....


Just wondering about the wording by Dr. D...didn't she say Jodi was hiding under or behind the tree??.?.?

 

[iSleuth]

BPD + Mashugana = Throat Slasher. That is my diagnosis. :seeya:

:floorlaugh:

Mashugana Scale= M1/ jodi scored off the charts on the M1 scale

 

[kscornfed]

For anyone interested in JA MMPI-2 "elevated" scores on the 10 Clinical scales. She was elevated on 7 of the 10 clinical scales.

I was most interested in the one she was the most elevated on and thought you might be too. Her T-score on the Psychopathic Deviate scale was a 105 (highest of all of her elevated scores) with 65 being the threshold for clinically significant. If you want to research the scales the developer of the test is Pearson.

Psychopathic Deviate (PD)- Hathaway & McKinley (1944). (50 items). High: Poor impulse control, disidentification with societal standards, authority conflicts, marital and family conflicts, inconsiderate, narcissistic, poor judgment, extroverted, self-confident, hostile, parasitic and externalizes blame. Low: Overly conventional and conforming, passive, trusting and non-competitive. Pd is a great characterlogical scale of narcissism, externalization of blame, exploitiveness, and hostility. The subscales for Pd are very important in understanding elevations in Pd. Elevations in Pd can be due to a hostile, exploitive and truly psychopathic mentality, or moderate elevations can be an extroverted normal going through a divorce, or a normal teenager. If Pd-O is greater than Pd, then the more pathological interpretations should be used. If Pd-S is higher than Pd, then the more benign interpretations should be used. It is helpful to also look at the content scales of anger, authority problems, family problems etc. to help understand elevations in Pd.

I know scales need to be seen globally as well as individually, yet I do not understand why this scale was not discussed in detail/ad naseum IMHO.

too prejudicial? that's why i think we got 'borderline' and nothing more. i don't think it was allowed. i think JDM had a LOT more to say about what she found.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I'm going to be shocked if the Jurors that work aren't getting nervous about their jobs right now. This is taking a long time.

We are into 4 months now.

Longest Trial in the U.S. History was Manson at 9.5 months

Do they not realize people have jobs waiting on them? IfI was a Juror I would be asking the Judge to keep this moving, cut out all the long weekends, breaks for every little reason.

 

[Words2Serve]

I still feel like the after isn't as important. Pre-meditation is about the "PRE"...

She wanted him dead, and she accomplished that. Her 'plan' may have been mostly in her mind about about how she was going to kill him, and that part was well organized. Pre-meditation in no way means she needs to know exactly how she is going to clean up her mess.

Fight or Flight is a normal response. As testified to by RB, and others who saw her immediately after, she had no complaint of a headache, and there were no concerning marks, or evidence to indicate she had been in a struggle of any kind. JA made sure TA was never given that opportunity.

Continuing to evade responsibility and accountability demonstrates for JA this was a case of Self but the evidence shows by the slice marks in his hands TA was the only one with a need for defense. Evidence of a struggle, well a sliced throat, 28 stab wounds, and bullet in his head; the brutality of TA killing is the only truth in JA web of lies.

 

[Really?]

So "Mashugana" was out, then.

Thanks....I almost spit coffee out of my nose at that....hahahahahahahaha

 

[Ladylub]

Just out of curiosity does anyone else find the way JA whispers to either the mitigation specialist or JW disturbing sometimes it seems very sexual and gives me the heebee jeebies.

I have not been able to watch Jodi's interaction with anyone else. She creeps me out. I have a feeling many of the things she says to JW are not nice. At times she comes across as a mother trying to get her kid under control by whispering under her breathe all while smiling so she does not draw anymore attention to herself. Mouth is all smiles but you can see it in her eyes she is not pleased.

but the sheets were in the dryer. i just don't see how she missed the weight of that camera in the towels and socks, etc. it was found with.

it's just another thing we'll never really know in this case.

Im confusing myself right now... Was the camera in the wash or the dryer? If it was in the dryer why was JW asking questions yesterday like but you do not know if it was washed do you? <----- Something along those. Maybe I'm mistaken in that line of questioning. That has been known to happen where I dream up parts of the trial.

Other day I had a dream where the camera zoomed in on what Jodi was doing in her notebook and it was a bunch of little doodles. Hearts, rainbows, clouds, flowers, butterflies all bright and colorful.



Side note.... God does not like ugly. I was mean wishing JA's "migraine" to be a really bad. Even laughing at her. Since last night I have been suffering one that meds are not helping. Only thing that is making me feel better is knowing I'm not missing anything in court today.

 

[cricket49]

she thought it was destroyed .er lieamony was she doesnt know alot about cameras.just because she liked to take pictures didnt make her a pro.fessional ..look at the shower pictures ja claimed they are posed pictures they dont look professional to me.

Well, whether you are familiar with cameras or not, I think the average person would believe if you take a camera and run it through a washer with bleach you would destroy all evidence, including the memory card.

Helllll, my MP3 went out while running during a thunderstorm. Electronics are not made to withstand water much less bleach.

She thought she was safe....:furious:

 

[iSleuth]

Willmott seems to be extremely undereducated or maybe just the last person who should be involved in actual trials. Her ideal job would be to maybe work as a collections attorney or sue people for rent/credit card payments...and no I'm not kidding. Other professionals in the legal field have to be wincing with her as a visible representative of their craft.

With her ( IMO) fittingly painted nails- red tipped...blood dipped...manicure

 

[boonedock]

That is why she has the shock belt on. Because there is always the chance.

I have to say if I had the button and could turn it down so she didnt go down in convulsions (making a scene) I couldnt resist pressing it just a little tssst. tssst. tssst.

 

[DebinGA]

Dr. D didn't agree JA was impulsive but I tend to believe she was. My guess is the new Mom didn't want JA anywhere near her baby and suddenly got a call from her out of the blue and ignored it.

That's what I think too, and it screams premeditation if Jodi wasn't expected.