Trial Discussion Thread #12 - 14.03.24, Day 14

[Val1]

Scared of him snapping at her. That is a far cry from being scared that he would physically harm her.

Well it appears he certainly snapped at her... heck, he even went around saying how sorry he was for a year, "private" tribute and all that, classic up and down relationship. I wonder what Dr. Phil would have said about their relationship...

 

[minor4th]

Well it appears he certainly snapped at her... heck, he even went around saying how sorry he was for a year, "private" tribute and all that, classic up and down relationship. I wonder what Dr. Phil would have said about their relationship...

Is there a relationship that is not up and down?

 

[Canadian4]

I cringe at the thought of the texts between my hubby and i being read aloud in a courtroom. I hope they dont get into anything intimate.

 

[kittychi]

long message again. he speaks very fast..

reeva to Oscar. 7th feb 22.09..= 24.09


Ilike to believe I made you proud at these kind of functions, I present myself well. while you are off chatting with fans. and whilst you were chatting I was saying good bye to peoole, I was being cordial while you were busy.

I thought I was helping by getting to the exit quickly, I can go fast on high heels..

I might joke around and be tomboyish at times, I am a person too. I realize you get harassed , I am rying my best to make you happy. . but I don't think you ever are. you are the one person I deserve protection from. .

:scared:

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[Trooper]

the sad part is, Reeva wasn't scared enough..

 

[Dr Mattus]

Well, they certainly established that he is controlling, angry, jealous.

They established motive.

 

[minor4th]

A jerk who flies into rages and lies to get his own way. One who also apparently knows what time of year he can take drugs without falling foul of drug testing rules.

I didn't hear anything about flying in rages when he doesnt get his way - it sounded more like he pouts and acts moody when he's unhappy.

And I thought it was Oscar complaining about Reeva using drugs, but either way that has nothing to do with murder.

 

[MeeBee]

They established motive.

They established a possible motive.

 

[zwiebel]

At the Mirror the blogger is wondering if there are msgs nearer the time of the shooting.

That's the million dollar question for me too.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-updates-trial-oscar-pistorius-3276636

 

[Viper]

I have to say that Reeva was very accommodating to OPs needs at that party. She seems like she would have made a fantastic partner for someone to share life with.

Conversely OP seems the exact opposite, not concerned with his partner's needs AT ALL!

 

[Trooper]

well.. Moller is only up to Feb 7th..more to come tomorrow..


and THEN OSCARS SECRET PHONE> the one he 'couldn't find'..

 

[MeeBee]

I didn't hear anything about flying in rages when he doesnt get his way - it sounded more like he pouts and acts moody when he's unhappy.

And I thought it was Oscar complaining about Reeva using drugs, but either way that has nothing to do with murder.

I completely agree. She didn't say anything about him yelling or physically hitting her. Just a moodiness and irritability that made her feel bad. When I'm in a bad mood I snap at my husband too, tell him to stop smacking his food, not pick at every little thing, tell him not to touch me. Murder typically escalates from a progression of violence. There was no evidence of physical abuse, abuse, or rage that I saw...Oscar never appeared to swear or snap at her.

 

[kaos]

Is there a relationship that is not up and down?

Perhaps not but I've never been in one where I've been "scared" of a bf.

Previous history of abuse has led to a new law within the UK that requires police disclosure of it to a current partner should they ask for it.

 

[G.bng]

90 % loving conversations

Not sure if you are taking the piss or what!

It is a well known fact that jealous controlling abusers in relationships can be oh so extremely loving and gentle a lot of the time and oh so very very sorry after an abusive episode, and can promise oh so faithfully, cross their heart and hope to die, swear on their life, on their kids lives, on their parents lives, etc that they will never ever ever every do it again which is one of the reasons the abused stay with them until... !!!

It unfortunately only very rarely works and only if the abuser recognises in full and without exception that they have the problem, that it is entirely theirs without trying to excuse it with he/she also does/saysthis and he/she also does/says that, and gets lots and lots of serious professional help.

 

[Val1]

Apparently FM did say 90% of the msgs were normal and loving. I didn't hear that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OscarTrial199

Yes, but they usually are in abusive relationships. That's what keeps pulling them back into it, especially if they believe they're still in love and want to make it work. Besides, how hard do you think it would have been for RS to admit that SA's "golden boy" was so tarnished that she needed, let alone have gotten, a restraining order against him?

 

[04009margaret]

Puts new meaning to OP's words....."We were deeply in love, I could not be happier"

 

[kittychi]

Not to detract from testimony but my ex (and many other abusive people I know of) seem to share a history of brandishing weapons, flouting authority figures, and participating in highly reckless behaviors (unprotected sex, fast driving, etc).

Just FWIW.

(And...it could be that I'm just reading into it - but I also 'see' Oscar justifying his behaviours/actions and Reeva trying to make amends and wanting to fix everything, etc.)

...and I see RS as a classic enabler: "RS: ....I like to think I do you proud at these functions.....I was just being cordial while saying goodbye while you tried to leave...trying to help. Didn't think you would criticize me so loudly that others could hear.....I realize you get harrassed.....I'm trying to help"

So sad. She probably knew deep down that she was in just the type of relationship that she was lecturing against, but wanted to be with him anyways. For fame? Fun things to go to? To be able to say she dated OP?

:silenced:

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[Cherwell]

Seriously - from complaining about her touching someone's arm, you can immediately jump to him being furious enough on Feb 14 to murder her?

I cannot make that leap.

Well, he did kill her, didn't he?

 

[MeeBee]

well.. Moller is only up to Feb 7th..more to come tomorrow..


and THEN OSCARS SECRET PHONE> the one he 'couldn't find'..

I thought Nel said that was it and he was going to get into technical stuff next so he wanted to adjourn.

Also,,wasn't the "secret phone" a blackberry he hadn't used in months?

 

[Trooper]

I have to say that Reeva was very accommodating to OPs needs at that party. She seems like she would have made a fantastic partner for someone to share life with.

Conversely OP seems the exact opposite, not concerned with his partner's needs AT ALL!

the ones who are the most accommodating end up dead..


they never see it coming, its just beyond poignant. .

oh reeve. why didn't you just GO!!


too too sad.