sorrell skye
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Apparently so lol!!!
Trial Discussion Thread #12 - 14.03.24, Day 14
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Apparently so lol!!!
were those screams muffled?? no. no muffling. it was clear.. .
perhaps some sort of barrier. like being in an enclosed space?? no. it was unmuffled.
you got out of bed. ... correct...
when you made the election to go out on the balcony, you didn't hve the faintest clue as to what was going on .. but you saw lights on.
my balcony is in direct view of those two houses.
can we accept that if yu were seated.. in your bed.. were you in the middle of your bed. . ?? no. I am not a very tall person so I am more towards the top of my bed.
I am positioned more to the right.
is it possible that could have been more to the LOWER end of the bed?? * witness disbelief. . no..no. I can say it was to the top of the bed, than the bottom of the bed.
exhibit a. photo of her bedroom, I think. yes.
if I put it to you. do you agree that there is a pillow there. at the left of the door to yur balcony> ? yes.
there is a small gap. and a space. between your bedside table. well. its very small, ..about 1.5 metre.. on the camera it looks smaller than it actually is.
on your evidence you say, you had a clear observation. you had a clear view. of the lights.. both houses.
the house on the right had more light , almost the whole second floor was lit up
the house next door had less lights on.
the time period of the interlude with your husband. you said it was MOMENTS>
can you estimate the moments. no. I cant. it was moments. not possible to put a measurable to it. it was moments.
we didn't turn the lamps on. it isn't necessary. there is enough light from the street lamps. I usually sleep with the curtains drawn back and the windows open the curtains are tied back.
now. in this pic, your curtain is hand held back. why isn't it tied BACK?/
its held open to show the position of the curtain.
now. WHY did you hold the curtain back when there is a tieback??
I didn't take the photos. I wasn't there when the photos were taken. * checkmate)
we cant see clearly the distance from your bed to the balcony. you can gain access to both balconies from your bedroom??
one you had approached your balcony, you heard the screams?? yes // I went from one balcony to the other.
I cannot tell a time elapsed this took me. the screaming continued. perhaps 3-4 minutes.. I didn't check the sound going from small to big balcony.
I have no certainty as to the time the screaming continued. . I cannot state exactly what time we spent on each set of the process we took.
the door to the smaller balcony. its open? its always open in summer. held back by a small doorstop. this holds it open.
the larger balcony. single or double?? double door.
it doesn't have a door stop we use a chair for it.
windows on either side of the door. 3 on each side.
were the windows open or closed?? yes, right hand side. always open.
perhaps some sort of barrier. like being in an enclosed space?? no. it was unmuffled.
you got out of bed. ... correct...
when you made the election to go out on the balcony, you didn't hve the faintest clue as to what was going on .. but you saw lights on.
my balcony is in direct view of those two houses.
can we accept that if yu were seated.. in your bed.. were you in the middle of your bed. . ?? no. I am not a very tall person so I am more towards the top of my bed.
I am positioned more to the right.
is it possible that could have been more to the LOWER end of the bed?? * witness disbelief. . no..no. I can say it was to the top of the bed, than the bottom of the bed.
exhibit a. photo of her bedroom, I think. yes.
if I put it to you. do you agree that there is a pillow there. at the left of the door to yur balcony> ? yes.
there is a small gap. and a space. between your bedside table. well. its very small, ..about 1.5 metre.. on the camera it looks smaller than it actually is.
on your evidence you say, you had a clear observation. you had a clear view. of the lights.. both houses.
the house on the right had more light , almost the whole second floor was lit up
the house next door had less lights on.
the time period of the interlude with your husband. you said it was MOMENTS>
can you estimate the moments. no. I cant. it was moments. not possible to put a measurable to it. it was moments.
we didn't turn the lamps on. it isn't necessary. there is enough light from the street lamps. I usually sleep with the curtains drawn back and the windows open the curtains are tied back.
now. in this pic, your curtain is hand held back. why isn't it tied BACK?/
its held open to show the position of the curtain.
now. WHY did you hold the curtain back when there is a tieback??
I didn't take the photos. I wasn't there when the photos were taken. * checkmate)
we cant see clearly the distance from your bed to the balcony. you can gain access to both balconies from your bedroom??
one you had approached your balcony, you heard the screams?? yes // I went from one balcony to the other.
I cannot tell a time elapsed this took me. the screaming continued. perhaps 3-4 minutes.. I didn't check the sound going from small to big balcony.
I have no certainty as to the time the screaming continued. . I cannot state exactly what time we spent on each set of the process we took.
the door to the smaller balcony. its open? its always open in summer. held back by a small doorstop. this holds it open.
the larger balcony. single or double?? double door.
it doesn't have a door stop we use a chair for it.
windows on either side of the door. 3 on each side.
were the windows open or closed?? yes, right hand side. always open.
She said it was 3:02, she got out of bed and after this she heard the first shots. She didn't say exactly what time that was or how long after she got out of bed she heard them.
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Interesting that she heard the screaming getting closer. Makes me wonder if they were fighting in the bedroom first and moved to the bathroom.
That's a good point. They were both willing to stand on the balcony rather than hide from what was happening so neither felt in danger themselves.
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AS thought the screams might be a woman running down the street. When she turned to come back into the bedroom she noticed her clock said 3.17am. Just then a man started screaming.
AS: I said to my husband, there's a man screaming now.
AS: I said to my husband, there's a man screaming now.
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I really think attacking these witnesses credibility from every perceivable angle, whether logical or not, actually harms their case. There's discrediting a witness and then there's flogging a horse that died way back when.
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sorrell skye
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Mrs. Stipp heard a man screaming at 3:17.
Bear in mind that she has also stated that her bedroom clock is fast (can't remember how fast she said her clock is. 3-4 minutes fast?).
Bear in mind that she has also stated that her bedroom clock is fast (can't remember how fast she said her clock is. 3-4 minutes fast?).
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