Trial Discussion Thread #20 - 14.04.08, Day 18

[soozieqtips]

I got very choked up as well. That was not faked.

BIB - Oh, I think it was definitely faked. No doubt about it. Those tears were for himself, not for Reeva.

Plus, he got what he wanted - another adjournment. Talk about staged. I wish I'd had a bucket.

 

[04009margaret]

SA live trials will end up toping the US ones for excitement what with OP's vomits and sobs and soon to come the post traumatically stressed Dewani!

Can't beat the excitement of the moment Juan Martinez asked JA to get down & show him the linebacker lunge, her expression was priceless

 

[minor4th]

Listening to his testimony - it did answer quite a few questions that we've been asking and wondering about.

Having heard him describe the events, it now seems to me that he panicked out of fear and that's what prompted the firing of the shots. Before his testimony, I thought more along the lines that in his mind there was definitely an intruder in the toilet who was coming out to shoot him - but by his account there was more uncertainty and certainly more panic than a deliberate aim and shoot at the toilet to stop the intruder.

 

[minor4th]

BIB - Oh, I think it was definitely faked. No doubt about it. Those tears were for himself, not for Reeva.

Plus, he got what he wanted - another adjournment. Talk about staged. I wish I'd had a bucket.

Nah, that was not faked. I don't think anyone can fake that well. Not staged at all.

 

[DebinGA]

OP is a narcissist and his tears could be genuine, but the reason for them is not what he did to her but what his doing so has done to himself. His loud wailing/head grabbing/ears stopping/etc have been so over the top and inappropriate they suggest he's off in the head and was before RS came along. I'd think if his driving his boat into the pier caused brain damage, Roux would have produced it. But OP the narcissist probably wouldn't allow that. He'd rather play Super Victim.

 

[Viper]

Manipulative, arrogant, immature and most importantly of all A LIAR.

That's correct, today Mr. Pistorius officially joined the OP Murder Trial Liars Club!

 

[Britlaws]

I saw in his testimony today that he said he heard a noise that made him believe that the door was opening/was about to be opened when he shot. Has he said this before? Because I dont recall that. Seems a bit coincidental to the SA case of Mdunge, the chap that shot his wife in the bathroom thinking she was an intruder.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Man-who-shot-wife-in-error-can-sympathise-with-Oscar-20140407

ETA he got 8 yrs suspended but a condition was that her family had to agree to the culpable homicide plea and the sentence, which they did, so they were obviously supportive. I dont think the Steenkamps would agree to something like that.

 

[soozieqtips]

Nah, that was not faked. I don't think anyone can fake that well. Not staged at all.

We can agree to disagree. I think it was staged. And if Roux is going to make OP scream like a woman, then that would be staged as well to try and prove it was him screaming and not Reeva. So things can be staged if necessary. Oscar is a total fake in my opinion. Tears are all for his selfish little self.

 

[minor4th]

And the words from the Chair SA Gunowners' Association couldn't be any clearer...."When one says that he heard that sort of noise, then before he realized it, 4 shots had been fired, that just does not ring right"

That indicates panic IMO and I would say irresponsible handling of the firearm (especially in hindsight when we see what the result was).

I think his story is believable, even more so because he is basically admitting some recklessness and letting his emotions overtake his reason at that point. He's acknowledging culpable homicide IMO

 

[nastasya]

Nah, that was not faked. I don't think anyone can fake that well. Not staged at all.

If he described his life before killing Reeva as "pressured" because of not being sure how to spend his millions, then the pressure of being forced to tell his bull***** story in front of the world must be unbearable.

Turns out he's not a hero. He's an amputee who learned to run fast on hi-tech prosthetic legs, who also happens to be a bad, self-indulged liar.

 

[soozieqtips]

And lying on the stand about the gun charges.

There is nothing this guy won't stoop to in order to avoid responsibility for his actions.

 

[aa9511]

Nah, that was not faked. I don't think anyone can fake that well. Not staged at all.

Begin discussion of Reeva's dead body - CUE - start crying - CUE - think about my handicap, my stumps, my father-less life, the bullying I got in school, everyone who told me "no you can't," and now this "mistake," "mistake" being rash of anger and unable to control himself, another struggle in my life, my freedom's going to be taken away, what a bad set of cirumunstances I've been given in life, etc., etc. - Sob. End of story.

 

[TorisMom003]

Because he's reliving the moment he found his dead girlfriend.

Yeah, I think it's safe to say he's sincerely sorry that he accidentally shot and killed Reeva.

And yet when seeing Reeva's blood on the bathroom floor and the toilet it didn't faze him one bit. He was able to clearly and correctly point out the things asked of him in that photo.

 

[james83]

I got very choked up as well. That was not faked.

Maybe it wasn't fake but who he was crying for is something no one can say for sure.
Imo June Steenkamp's dead pan look towards him the whole time said alot about what she was thinking.

 

[minor4th]

We can agree to disagree. I think it was staged. And if Roux is going to make OP scream like a woman, then that would be staged as well to try and prove it was him screaming and not Reeva. So things can be staged if necessary. Oscar is a total fake in my opinion. Tears are all for his selfish little self.

We definitely disagree on this. I've watched so many sociopaths and narcissists on the stand and without exception they reveal themselves so obviously to anyone watching them - although they believe they're putting on a good and convincing performance. Did not get that vibe AT ALL from OP.

I think this is a man in genuine pain. I think he knows he did wrong by shooting through the door when he did. I think he's very sorry he killed Reeva, and I would even venture a guess that he is prepared to spend some time in jail for it.

 

[Viper]

Listening to todays testimony, from the beginning, and some things don't make sense to me.

1. While OP was in Cape Town, Reeva asked him if she could stay at his home in Pretoria while he wasn't there. How did she get by security and gain entrance into his home?

2. Reeva and OP were looking at interior decorating things together for a home that OP had purchased in Jo'burg. I thought he was thinking of/looking to buy a home there?

3. OP helped Reeva with her work contracts? She had the law degree so why on earth would she need his help?

I'm sure more is to come as I watch more.

#1 she was a frequent visitor of his, so she likely was on their paperwork as approved to enter the compound.

LOL! #2 and #3, All of that stuff is what Osca' says happened, that is certainly not a fact. Not by a loooooong stretch! :smile:

BTW, I especially like #3, good catch!

 

[nastasya]

That indicates panic IMO and I would say irresponsible handling of the firearm (especially in hindsight when we see what the result was).

I think his story is believable, even more so because he is basically admitting some recklessness and letting his emotions overtake his reason at that point. He's acknowledging culpable homicide IMO

Actually he admitted to premeditated murder of a victim who he warned to retreat, and who he believed had retreated into the toilet.

 

[04009margaret]

I heard that but I am still pondering on whether that gives him an advantage for verdict and sentencing or not. Certainly it will likely remove "intent" in the normal sense of the word, but as under SA law "intent" can also be proven technically if the judge determines OP should, in his circumstances as a double amputee, have reasonably known that shooting blind at a door of a reduced space believing someone was inside would possibly result in death, then he could still be found guilty on that point at least.


Ooops... hold on... I think OP may even be denying thinking someone was inside the loo now as iirc he said he didn't know if there was someone inside or on the ladder outside... another difficult point covered by his very cleverly designed testimony!

I caught the ladder comment, covering all his options...These are his exact words "I was still scared to retreat because I wasn't sure if there was somebody on the ladder. I wasn't sure if there was somebody in the toilet" This was after pumping 4 shots into the toilet door.

 

[minor4th]

And lying on the stand about the gun charges.

There is nothing this guy won't stoop to in order to avoid responsibility for his actions.

What do you mean lying about the gun charges?

 

[Carol70]

I got very choked up as well. That was not faked.

Just listened to the audio myself and also found it incredibly sad.

A few points, I don't know why everyone seems to think he was trying to push the blame on Reeva for not locking up, he was merely stating in detail what happend...although his affidavit was more detailed than the norm, his testimony, to me, seems to be filling in the blanks. It actually answers the reason why he was asleep with the door open as everyone has been questioning this very thing for months.

I now don't believe she was in the loo when OP came down the passage, I think she was outside in the bathroom and only rushed and locked herself in there when she heard OP screaming about an intruder. There is no way she could have known he thought she was infact the intruder.

According to OP...Before shots were fired, he was shouting/screaming a lot...comming down the passage and in the actual bathroom standing in front of the door so it does not surprise me the neighbours heard so much shouting etc.. (Remains to be seem if he indeed does scream like a girl while under duress) I honestly don't think we can dispute the fact that if Reeva indeed did scream out after she was shot, that OP would have heard it...firing 4 shots in a confined space would most certainly render someone temporarily deaf.

IMO, he hasn't majorly contradicted himself in any way, maybe minor details that at the time seemed insignificant in his affidavit but now changed due to time to think about what happened clearly or remembering details as the year has passed, who knows.

So far, I'm still ok with my stance on this matter, however, it could very well change when Nell does his cross. I'm absolutely certain that if he could go back and change what happend he would and more than likely questions himself on a daily basis as to why he didn't do this, or do that..check if Reeva was in the bed..wait for a response when he whispered to her..list is endless.