If you agree that OP is 1.23 metres on his stumps, can you convert this to feet for me please?
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If you agree that OP is 1.23 metres on his stumps, can you convert this to feet for me please?
Although I challenge OP that he never actually went onto the balcony at all that night, not even to yell/scream help. He admitted that his post shooting running around concerning the side of the bed and balcony would be impossible if the room was in fact the way that the first police on the scene saw it (as seen in the photos).
MOO
I think he's 5 foot 1 on his stumps. He's lost say 2/3rds of his lower leg.
No, thank YOU!
It's an interesting theory but off the top of my sleepy head I have a couple of 'problems' - do you think this all happened in the dark? Also, what about the time when he says he was standing in front of the toilet door - I can't/don't believe she stood there frozen in fear without saying a word. By your version, had she slipped away without saying anything she would have had no idea about the supposed intruder and would have just heard him screaming so you'd think she'd say or shout something. Then, he would of known it was her so we're back to premeditated.
Sigh. It's hard enough trying to figure out but now you've gone and concocted a cocktail mix of truth and falsehoods. I wish Nel had just hammered a confession out of him or he had the decency to tell the truth and accept the consequences but as we've all seen, supporters and detractors alike, that's just not in his nature.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply JuneBug. With the final comments, what put me in mind to make them was an earlier post of your's where you'd expressed to an 'enquiring mind' the belief that the 'pro' OP posters were more fair minded than those of us who are 'anti' if you like. I responded to that post (disagreeing to an extent obviously) and never got a reply - which is fair enough of course but that was in my mind when I made those latter comments. Yes there is contradictory evidence and we all try to make it fit 'our' version and much of it can do your head in. I've never made a comment on timing of shots, screams, distances of witnesses etc - it's too complicated so I appreciate those that delve into this and thank those posters who report their findings whichever 'version' they support.
One final thing that I'd stand by in relation to all this is that I still believe that those who believe OP's version tend to avoid the more difficult questions or shrug them off. No doubt they would probably disagree but that's how I perceive it. Actually, one more final thing re empathy - I had some for him at the start - hell I even had sympathy for Colonel Gaddafi when he was pleading for his life - but none any more. Coming from a position of believing him guilty I now find his attempts to get out of responsibility for absolutely anything quite disgusting, especially when the main charge is couched in all this talk of wanting to protect Reeva. But that's just me so thanks again.
As Far As I Know
There's also AFAICT and AFAICR and probably still many others.
(As far as I can tell, As far as I can recall/remember)
OP is only 4 feet tall on his stumps? Are you sure? He is supposed to be 6ft 1/2 inch with prosthetics, so he wears 2 feet tall prosthetics? And they are below-knee ones.
And hasn't OP said he has mobility on his stumps?
BBM: That's a good one, katydid23! Another possibility is, maybe Frank has a severe hearing loss and has hearing aids that he takes out when he goes to bed. Who knows!
RBBM
That's so important. Won't Roux have to call a witness to make a plausible case for police tampering? But if he has such an expert, why put Dixon on?
RSBM
Steve, please forgive the snip, but it reminded me of a delicious moment during Nel's cross of OP. Nel accused OP of padding the list of things he supposedly did during the time Reeva had to have slipped away to the bathroom. Immediately, OP spoke up, reminding Nel in a "gotcha" tone that Samantha Taylor testified that it took 4 min. for him to put on his legs but actually he could do it in 30 sec., which, he volunteered, he'd just demonstrated to m'lady during the break. hahahaha
OK. Just another thought then I'll leave you alone - so by this version, she never screamed so the Stipps misheard and they did in fact hear OP, nor did she utter any words? I can picture her staying in the toilet and not coming out, but if she was the peacemaker type as you say I can't see her not trying to calm him down by speaking to him - whether in pleading, cajoling, stern or whatever tones. It's just another aspect that doesn't ring true to me.Yes, in the dark. Now just for one minute imagine that you are Reeva and you are in the bathroom. Suddenly you hear OP crashing down the hallway screaming " get the f out!!!". Really, is your response going to be to come barging out the door to a raging OP? Or to yell to him at all? Either she thought OP was yelling at an intruder somewhere nearby or she thought he had gone truly nuts. Either way her silence is completely rational IMO.
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I've been puzzling over your comment BBM.
What did these witnesses do that required "guts"? As far as I can make out, they simply attempted an approximate rendering of sounds they heard. What's so brave about that? And why does it make a difference that they are women?
From Mangena testimony (courtesy of Juror13)
With his prosthetics on from head to floor, he is 184cm.
Without prosthetics on from head to floor, he is 155cm.
His shoulder level with prosthetics is 156cm.
His shoulder level without prosthetics is 123cm.
Elbow level with prosthetics is 126cm.
Elbow level without prosthetics is 96cm.
His arm length stretched out with hand gripped as if holding a gun is 66cm.
The prosthetics themselves are 62cm.
Condolences to you too Really. I lost my father years ago and some days it still feels fresh. Gardening was my therapy...but I can see now WS would have been great
RSBM
Does this mean no ballistics/sound/etc experts? Why is Roux alone in court with no Oldwage, Wolmerans or Van der Westhuizen. They haven't been in court since Monday.
I wonder what's going on?
From Mangena testimony (courtesy of Juror13)
With his prosthetics on from head to floor, he is 184cm.
Without prosthetics on from head to floor, he is 155cm.
His shoulder level with prosthetics is 156cm.
His shoulder level without prosthetics is 123cm.
Elbow level with prosthetics is 126cm.
Elbow level without prosthetics is 96cm.
His arm length stretched out with hand gripped as if holding a gun is 66cm.
The prosthetics themselves are 62cm.
Something wrong with that prosthetics figure - once again if his prosthetics are over two feet long he's going to lose his racing medals too.
Something wrong with that prosthetics figure - once again if his prosthetics are over two feet long he's going to lose his racing medals too.
Something wrong with that prosthetics figure - once again if his prosthetics are over two feet long he's going to lose his racing medals too.