Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

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Maybe I can help to clarify some questions and/or irritations resp. false information


A short part of the timeline

* shortly after 03:00 a.m. – OP called female neighbour [probably wife of Stander, lawyer, friend], said she should come immediately
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-cour...7#.UXLG2qK-2So

* 03.08 a.m. – OP’s close friend Christo Menelaou woke with a start. He’d heard what sounded like three thunderclaps. He lay in bed waiting for the rain to start. Almost an hour later [~ 04.10 a.m.] he went to the bathroom. His window looks out onto OP’s house. “His house used to be in pitch darkness at night, except for one light that was always on,” Christo (34) says. But that night all the lights were on and there were blue and red lights flashing outside the house.
http://drum.co.za/2013/04/26/hes-heartbroken/

* 03.17 a.m. - Reeva died by the fatal head shot (according to Nel + Roux)

* 03.19 a.m. - OP called Stander [according to OP's DT]

* 03.20 a.m. - OP called Netcare [according to OP's DT]

* 03.20 a.m. – Stander and his wife (?) (called by OP shortly after 03.00 a.m.) came to the house

* few minutes later – Dr Stipp arrived

* 03.42 a.m. - paramedics and first police officers arrived
[There was a video with CCTV footage of Silverwood estate that showed the arrival of paramedics and police. Sadly I not noted the link of the video but I noted the time that was shown.]

* 03.55 a.m. - OP called friend Justin Divaris. Female neigbour [probably wife of Stander, called by OP shortly after 03.00 a.m.] talked with Justin Divaris on phone

* 04:00 a.m. - Female neigbour [probably wife of Stander, called by OP shortly after 03.00 a.m.] called coach Peet Van Zyl by OP’s phone [“I picked up the phone and saw it was Oscar's number and thought it was him phoning me.”] and told him he have to rush to come to OP’s house

* ??? a.m. – Peet Van Zyl called Ampie Louw, OP’s athletic coach

* 04.00 a.m. - further police officers arrived

* 04.15 a.m. - Hilton Botha arrived

* ??? a.m. – Peet Van Zyl + Ampie Louw arrived
[at this time OP wasn't no longer in the house but separate by police in the garage]

* 04.30 a.m. - Justin Divaris + girlfriend Samantha Greyvenstein arrived
[at this time OP wasn't no longer in the house but separate by police in the garage]

All mentioned people except Peet Van Zyl + Ampie Louw are at the state's witness list.
 
Roux: .. it takes you to exactly, roughly (whatever time it was he eventually said)

Dear oh dear, he calls that evidence of the time that she heard the 'help, help, help'? She saw Clarice's mini cooper turn up at 'x' time, and she was then asked how long it was prior to that she heard the 'help, help, help' .. "oh, it must've been about 5-10 mins" she says .. so on that basis, the DT deem that an 'exact' time??? .. and yet they dismiss the Stipp's testimonies outright? What a larf this is ..
 
R: Mr Johnson? Can't help us.....then comes the revelation. The notes, edited, and edited again, by Mr Johnson....four to five shots. Mrs Johnson insists she has a musical ear, insists there were exactly four.

Judge asks R to clarify and "Wasn't it that Mr Johnson didn't even show his wife the notes?'
 
My Lady sounds skeptical. And I don't think she appreciated the way he publicly lambasted the Stipps either.
 
Is the Judge is frowning? Perhaps she's having a hard time reconciling this interpretation of events and witness statements.

OP is looking a bit happier at the moment. He almost looks like he might crack a smile.
 
Roux: It cannot be (in time).

Yes, it can Mr Roux. In emergency situations, you can do a hell of a lot in one minute. He wasn't running around a huge castle, he was nipping back and forth between a bedroom and en-suite.

(edited to mention it is possible he DID have his prost. on)
 
R: To put on his proths, he had to go back to the bedroom. Evidence he had them on is footprint on door. Then he must go back, get back. Find key, pick up deceased...3.22 he went down. There wasn't time for all (they heard) to happen....this is what I thought, when they made the first sound, the sound of the shots.
 
I swear after Baden-Clay trial and Pistorius trial, I will never ever read closings! Makes me sick. :judge: :puke:
 
jimmy73 said:
Is the Judge is frowning? Perhaps she's having a hard time reconciling this interpretation of events and witness statements.

OP is looking a bit happier at the moment. He almost looks like he might crack a smile.
Click to expand...

Otoh, his uncle, who is usually grinning like a cheshire cat, is not.
 
R: Would it make sense, before firing the shots, the accused wld shout help, help help?....it simply does not make sense he'd shout help if he was in this rage, standing in front of the bathroom door.
 
R: Or when he found out what he had done? Oh yes milady.
 
R: The first screaming was directed at people in the house.
 
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