Trial Discussion Thread #6 - 14.03.13-14, Day 9-10

[Trooper]

the assessors hold the bat..

 

[zwiebel]

ah god, my day is made.. the judge holds the bat!!

Ah, the bat. I thought it must be a photo. Couldn't imagine a judge handling a cricket bat in court....

 

[Trooper]

roux.. the angle of the bat in the first mark is similar to the second mark??

yes, says the Colonel.

the wedge marks.. ( this is when the bat was wedged into the door between the door and the frame.. not the side where the hinges were, the door where it opens.

 

[katydid23]

OOHHHHH....which came first, bat or shots? Nels is asking the colonel....



It is not possible to say? :thud:

 

[Trooper]

roux.. were the marks made before the shots were fired??

Col says. it would be impossible to say , in regard to the WEDGE mark..

(note ...not referring to the 2 whack marks.

Roux.. would it be possible to say which happened first>> the shots or the theoretical kick??

impossible to say, says Col

 

[zwiebel]

Nel: I took a specific note of what you answered to Roux....you said bullet hole came before the bat...can you say scientifically if the small mark came before the shot?

Col: I cannot say for certain.....also, very difficult to say if 'kicking' came before or after shots.

N; Could it (kick) have been to scare someone?

Col: It's possible.

 

[Trooper]

the colonel is asked to speculate..

so the colonel does.. this kickmark could have been there before the shooting. there is no timeline on its appearance.. no evidence that the door didn't have that mark on it long before..

not going to be drawn into it being a kick mark.

 

[zwiebel]

Col: We can also not prove that mark was made during that incident...it could have been made before. There's no timeline for that mark'

He butted in across Nel's questions there and damaged the subtle suggestion Nel had made of OP kicking the door in fury, to scare Reeva. Nel didn't show any irritation though.

Col is a liability of a state witness, imo. Stumbles when he should be clear, speaks when he should be silent.

 

[BritsKate]

Nels objects.. wants roux to delineate what is his opinion and what are the facts stipulated to

Roux going to the road of the angle of the bat on impact to the door .

Just so those not watching livestream aren't confused. On redirect, Roux objected to Nel's questioning/witness stating his opinion as fact. A bit rich really, if you ask me, from the 'I put it to you' king.

Court primer, for any who may need it:
Nel = Prosecutor
Roux, Oldwage, et al. = Defence advocates
Direct - State questioning State's witness.
Cross - Defence questioning State's witness.
Redirect - State re-questioning State's witness after Cross Exam. AKA damage control. :biggrin:

HTH

 

[Trooper]

sorry all meant to put in that it is now NELS who is re x meaning his witness..

Roux has concluded his x exam

 

[zwiebel]

N: To ascertain angle bat hit the door, was microscopic examination necessary?

Col replies that it was not....eventually.

 

[zwiebel]

Aahhh, I'm still putting R for Roux when I meant Nel. Ignore me everyone - I am a fool!

 

[Trooper]

sorry , everyone, I simply cannot type when Vermulen holds the bat..
I nearly cried with astonishment when the judge held it.

* composing myself.

 

[Trooper]

of course. I LONG for Oscar to hold the bat!

 

[zwiebel]

WTH? Nel finished with witness. Very disappointing. I think Nel has written him off...........

 

[zwiebel]

15 min adjournment given to Nel, who sounds REALLY fed up.

 

[Trooper]

alrighty.. that's Vermulen over..

Roux wants a slight break.

Colonel Von Rensburg will be the next witness. that a phonetic spelling there.

he is. or, he will have, graphic photos..

 

[MeeBee]

Aahhh, I'm still putting R for Roux when I meant Nel. Ignore me everyone - I am a fool!

I was wondering why Roux got to question again after Nel, haha. I caught on though.

 

[Trooper]

sorry NEL wants the breakl its his witness. hehe.
*

* still rattled about the bat.

 

[katydid23]

It's dreadful that a watch went missing and then the inventory seemed to disappear - it taints everything. Leaves room for a lot of doubt about the integrity of the chain of evidence, together with the missing bits of door....

I have to wonder if Roux and Oscar made that up, just to make the cops look bad during the trial. It would be easy for them to make the accusation, just like Roux did, in an offhand, but damaging way.