Trial - Ross Harris #8

[LyndyLoo]

Thank you.

I had remembered seeing her in nurses clothes on the video. Now you mention it I do remember her being a dietician. Memory is scrambled I think.

Actually Maisie..most people who work in "Clinical settings" wear scrubs. LeAnne was a Dietician ..but dealt with patients in clinical setting. I too understand it..It sure saves on the budget for attire required to do one's job!! Most Clinitians have their scrubs provided too!! Huge saving BTW~~

But I got your point..LeAnne's personality smacks of control and maintaining calm...But in the end..she no doubt ended up blaming herself as she likely figured out..she enabled her husbands predilections that grew under her watch...and knows she never caught on to it!!

It's one thing to remind your spouse to mail a letter..or be sure to meet so in so after whatever..be sure to pay this bill or what not. It's in evidence that Ross took over financials just 6 or so months prior to Cooper's death...Just maybe she lost context to how $$ was being spent after that??

Regardless of her scrub attire..Her personality surely suited the one who sought to control..keep stable..maintain normalcy etc.. Once a nurturing person..always so..and it always HITS hard when they get fooled..and faith in other's will always be difficult for them down the road!!

Nurturer's always want to believe the best in people..BUT when THE ONE, who should rely on completely crushes that concept..It's going to be a long time to ever trust again!!

 

[Gigglingtoes]

So.....I posted here back when this trial began and I felt like he was guilty but really wanted to keep watching to see the evidence...

Now I don't really feel like it was on purpose. Maybe Im alone...
I think that the media put out evidence that wasn't true about what was researched exactly etc...

I also think from watching twitter, most women do NOT like him bc of all the sexting and cheating..I mean hookers and park blow jobs while being married and having tons of convos with strangers on various social media isn't cool...but it also doesn't mean he intentionally left him in the car. I think it may of been an accident bc of all the other things he was paying attention to. Just my two cents!

 

[katydid23]

Well, it sounds like Ross at least tried to employ the "look again" tactic but forgot that day. That "look again" thing seems like a useless tactic to me - I liked Brewer's idea of taking off a shoe and placing it with the baby.

I think the car seat mirror works better because you don't have to REMEMBER to do anything differently. It just automatically works that whenever you look in the rear view mirror, you can also see the baby's face reflected there. I think everyone uses their mirror throughout their drive. It is pretty hard to forget your child if you can see their face reflected every time you look in the rear view mirror.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I wonder if his treatment of her over the years has affected her to the point where she just accepts hurt as normal. Could she be on some kind of medication like antidepressants? They dull your reactions to things too.

If she wasn't then she must be now.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

To be fair, I can see how anything short of taking her directly to Ross would be considered mean and rude to Leanna, so her interpretation isn't all that surprising. It's what she wanted and LE basically said no. What I could never get past though was her not demanding to see her son. But I guess that's just me...

BBM I can go two ways about this. One if it's not real to her, as in "this just is not happening, any minute now I will wake up from this terrible dream" not real, then she wouldn't be crying or showing emotion, or wanting to see Cooper, because any minute now she is going to step out of this unreality and back into the "just going to pick him up" daily routine.

OTOH I also have trouble believing in that in some point of not believing she would want them to take her to him so she could say "see, that's not him." As a side note, when my mother died, even though I knew it was coming, I had to go back to the hospital to see her. It was like I was compelled to, a very strong need. So yeah, IMO she is really out of the norm of what I would have expected her to do.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I will put this out there...I have 3 kids and live in Texas. Last July, My oldest son needed me to pick up his friend 10 minutes away and I had a newborn baby and was making lunch after work. I let my 5 yr old french mastiff outside to potty before we left. We went to his friends house to pick him up and then came home. My dog didnt greet me. Why? Did he escape? no...he was in the backyard. In July. He never got let back in. He was out there for probably 20-30 minutes. Its the worst feeling that I feel I killed my dog that I felt was like a child. I will hold that guilt with me FOREVER but it was an accident. I never had left him outside. He was an inside dog. I just had SO much going on that it happened. Just saying.

 

[Rocco]

Like the LEO said today, in his 20+ years of being on duty he had never seen a mother react that way. That's pretty powerful imo.

There are people whose children die in the ER and their reaction is to hold them, rock them, and talk to them. They cuddle them, kiss them and stroke their heads---even though they're gone. Ross walked away from his child and let strangers tend to him and Leanna was more concerned about seeing her husband when she found out her child had passed away.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Everyone reacts differently. Got it.

 

[LibertyandJustice4]

And don't forget the Ross and LH's text exchange from the night before Cooper's death.

LH: Don't forget Cooper.
RH: NEVER! Except that one time.

Ugh.

I always took that comment to mean he forgot to pick Cooper up at daycare or something like that, not that he left him in the car. I could be wrong, though, especially since LH was the one who picked him up.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

There are people whose children die in the ER and their reaction is to hold them, rock them, and talk to them. They cuddle them, kiss them and stroke their heads---even though they're gone. Ross walked away from his child and let strangers tend to him and Leanna was more concerned about seeing her husband when she found out her child had passed away.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Everyone reacts differently. Got it.

That part is still weird for me that he left the baby on the ground.

 

[SuperTmo]

What might such precautions have been? The photos of Cooper's arrival at daycare served as a source of notification for some months. Perhaps they should have continued the practice. I suppose LAA could have notified parents if a child was expected to be there but wasn't. I think some vehicle manufacturers are considering some type of warning signal when someone remains in a parked car. What else could parents do to insure they don't leave a child in the car?

Reading the article "Fatal Distraction," by Gene Weingarten when my daughter was a baby was more than enough for me to insure I would never, EVER leave my baby in the car. Reading about a baby pulling all of her hair out of her head in agony before she died... and then imagining my beloved little daughter doing that. A baby boy's autopsy showing skin slippage because his body got so hot. That scarred me for life.

That article also discussed the reactions of some of these parents and the contrast to the Harris' is just shocking.

Miles Harrison left his boy in the car and his reaction at the hospital is described by a nurse like this: "It was only then that the patient began to open up, and what he said was that he didn’t want any sedation, that he didn’t deserve a respite from pain, that he wanted to feel it all, and then to die."

RH was *****ing that he was too hot in the air conditioned cop car and was lamenting about how uncomfortable the bed was going to be in jail.

After re-reading the article tonight I take it back that I think all parents who left kids in the car "forgot." I believe the parents discussed in that article actually forgot. But I have a hard time believing that it still happens so frequently and that all cases are FBS.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Reading the article "Fatal Distraction," by Gene Weingarten when my daughter was a baby was more than enough for me to insure I would never, EVER leave my baby in the car. Reading about a baby pulling all of her hair out of her head in agony before she died... and then imagining my beloved little daughter doing that. A baby boy's autopsy showing skin slippage because his body got so hot. That scarred me for life.

That article also discussed the reactions of some of these parents and the contrast to the Harris' is just shocking.

Miles Harrison left his boy in the car and his reaction at the hospital is described by a nurse like this: "It was only then that the patient began to open up, and what he said was that he didn’t want any sedation, that he didn’t deserve a respite from pain, that he wanted to feel it all, and then to die."

RH was *****ing that he was too hot in the air conditioned cop car and was lamenting about how uncomfortable the bed was going to be in jail.

After re-reading the article tonight I take it back that I think all parents who left kids in the car "forgot." I believe the parents discussed in that article actually forgot. But I have a hard time believing that it still happens so frequently and that all cases are FBS.

This is why I love Ws...so many good comments and things to think about. I felt the SAME about when my dog died from the heat...that I never deserve another dog and couldn't eat or sleep....etc

 

[turaj]

There are people whose children die in the ER and their reaction is to hold them, rock them, and talk to them. They cuddle them, kiss them and stroke their heads---even though they're gone. Ross walked away from his child and let strangers tend to him and Leanna was more concerned about seeing her husband when she found out her child had passed away.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Everyone reacts differently. Got it.

yep he just walked away...yelling how Leanna would kill him.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Actually Maisie..most people who work in "Clinical settings" wear scrubs. LeAnne was a Dietician ..but dealt with patients in clinical setting. I too understand it..It sure saves on the budget for attire required to do one's job!! Most Clinitians have their scrubs provided too!! Huge saving BTW~~

But I got your point..LeAnne's personality smacks of control and maintaining calm...But in the end..she no doubt ended up blaming herself as she likely figured out..she enabled her husbands predilections that grew under her watch...and knows she never caught on to it!!

It's one thing to remind your spouse to mail a letter..or be sure to meet so in so after whatever..be sure to pay this bill or what not. It's in evidence that Ross took over financials just 6 or so months prior to Cooper's death...Just maybe she lost context to how $$ was being spent after that??

Regardless of her scrub attire..Her personality surely suited the one who sought to control..keep stable..maintain normalcy etc.. Once a nurturing person..always so..and it always HITS hard when they get fooled..and faith in other's will always be difficult for them down the road!!

Nurturer's always want to believe the best in people..BUT when THE ONE, who should rely on completely crushes that concept..It's going to be a long time to ever trust again!!

Thanks for the insight Lyndy. I have a feeling Leanna will likely never put 100% trust into any man again after this.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I will put this out there...I have 3 kids and live in Texas. Last July, My oldest son needed me to pick up his friend 10 minutes away and I had a newborn baby and was making lunch after work. I let my 5 yr old french mastiff outside to potty before we left. We went to his friends house to pick him up and then came home. My dog didnt greet me. Why? Did he escape? no...he was in the backyard. In July. He never got let back in. He was out there for probably 20-30 minutes. Its the worst feeling that I feel I killed my dog that I felt was like a child. I will hold that guilt with me FOREVER but it was an accident. I never had left him outside. He was an inside dog. I just had SO much going on that it happened. Just saying.

But the difference is in your case..You were gone less than an hour...your dog happen to be more fragile ..and your error should not in any way be compared to Ross.. He left his own son ( human being), in his car for over 7 hours...even went to the SUV mid day..and didn't notice odours or anything else for that matter...

Your beloved pooch truly was an accidental thing..Ross NOT so much..especially with advance knowledge of such a threat..viewing video's and discussions about HATO CAR DEATH between LeANNE and him!! Ignorance cannot be claimed with Ross..but how could you have known 30 minutes for your pooch left outside be kown to you??

Completely different scenario ..IMO!!

 

[monkeypants]

I will put this out there...I have 3 kids and live in Texas. Last July, My oldest son needed me to pick up his friend 10 minutes away and I had a newborn baby and was making lunch after work. I let my 5 yr old french mastiff outside to potty before we left. We went to his friends house to pick him up and then came home. My dog didnt greet me. Why? Did he escape? no...he was in the backyard. In July. He never got let back in. He was out there for probably 20-30 minutes. Its the worst feeling that I feel I killed my dog that I felt was like a child. I will hold that guilt with me FOREVER but it was an accident. I never had left him outside. He was an inside dog. I just had SO much going on that it happened. Just saying.

But you took your newborn out of the car...correct?
See how that works?

 

[matou]

well....that didn't end the way I expected. wow

 

[katydid23]

This is why I love Ws...so many good comments and things to think about. I felt the SAME about when my dog died from the heat...that I never deserve another dog and couldn't eat or sleep....etc

Which reminds me of another weird thing when Ross and Leann were talking in the interview room. In the middle of their discussion, Leann said [paraphrasing] ---" Let me ask you something, do you want to have another child?"
Ross quickly replied, kind of upbeat: " Sure...just because we lost one child doesn't mean we cannot have others..."

:WTH?

I thought that was so weird. Like he was totally ready to replace his child---they both were.

 

[blue22]

No. I don't see where I said that.

You're obviously referring to my mention of Stockinger. That was a simple observation in contrast to her testimony inferring she was treated unkindly in general. Like no one telling her where Cooper was.....

bbm

Another lie from Leanna, since the recording proves Stockingr told her.

Leanna lies:
-She didn't know about the other woman for a long time (she knew about plenty of them after the probable cause hearing)
-She never said it was her biggest fear (Lie. She was recorded saying as much.)
-No one told her where Cooper was (He did.)

Any more?

I don't have ill feelings for her, but I cannot tolerate lying on stand. (Yes, that goes for both sides.) She is a character witness and she lied at least 3 times on stand. She's shaping up to be a kind of lousy witness.

 

[blue22]

I will put this out there...I have 3 kids and live in Texas. Last July, My oldest son needed me to pick up his friend 10 minutes away and I had a newborn baby and was making lunch after work. I let my 5 yr old french mastiff outside to potty before we left. We went to his friends house to pick him up and then came home. My dog didnt greet me. Why? Did he escape? no...he was in the backyard. In July. He never got let back in. He was out there for probably 20-30 minutes. Its the worst feeling that I feel I killed my dog that I felt was like a child. I will hold that guilt with me FOREVER but it was an accident. I never had left him outside. He was an inside dog. I just had SO much going on that it happened. Just saying.

Dogs go outside to potty, it's what they do. Children are not supposed to be left in cars. Totally different.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Truly.

 

[SuperTmo]

IMO none of those things would have helped cooper that day- because I think he did it on purpose. He even said himself he forgot to take the "second look". So had he been putting his bag in the back he probably would have said I forgot to do that today- all my opinion. Just don't believe this accident if it's your greatest fear and you don't do anything to prevent it.


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I'm certain RH took a second look before he got out of the car. He knew what he was doing. I wonder what he said to Cooper in that parking lot, before he climbed out and locked his baby in that car to die.