Trial - Ross Harris #8

[katydid23]

Ding ding ding you're right he did say he needed to set up the equipment...geez could it have really happened then?

Ok , if so, we are left with only 2 scenarios that I can think of.

1. the expert dropped out at the last minute, by his own choosing....

2. the DT chose not to put him on the stand at the last minute...[ file maybe?]


any other scenarios?

 

[GA_Peach]

IS that the file DT argued and claimed STATE not disclosing their informations..and Judge said that STATE had to turn it over by end of the week?? I think so..and just maybe when turned over..the content of that file told DT..Their venue to blame game was misgiven..and by bring Dr. D to the stand may have exploded whatever was under wraps in that file!!

I never thought of that..BUT it comes to mind DT's demeanour completely changed back on Wednesday..( was that they day they got that file???) Is that the day Dr. D. had to decline to testify?? It's obvious DT unravelled after Wednesday..and depression of ALL including Ross was observable ( tho noted..no one knew why)...

It may very well be what ever that was in that File Interview report???? Doubt we'll ever know what is within it!! But it sure does explain the complete collapse of the DT..and Judges confidence in her rulings..Just maybe she KNOWS something the public doesn't!! But if appealed..The Appellate Court would be privy to that same info!!

If I recall correctly, the DT stated on Thursday morning that the file had been turned over. I am not sure when the actual exchange took place.

That must be why RH looked white as a sheet and clammy...we all were noticing it.

We all noticed it. Kilgore looked peeved as well.

yes it did seem as if they "threw in the towel" Kilgore was really angry at everyone...we will probably never know the truth of what happened. DT seems to be imploding.

They aborted everything. Whatever it was that rocked the DT's case happened yesterday. It also had to have happened between the jury being called in first thing in the morning and the end of the lunch break. When they recessed for lunch, the DT had every intention of calling another witness yesterday afternoon.

Lol he was pretty pissed off....didn't he say according to Ross we rest. Like he was mad Ross wouldn't get on the stand?

True.

 

[KAE]

Lol he was pretty pissed off....didn't he say according to Ross we rest. Like he was mad Ross wouldn't get on the stand?

BBM
Not "Mr. Harris", but "Ross" - Informal and not very professional.

 

[popsicle]

I'm catching up on the trial, listening to LE and Leanna conversation and I really feel bad for Leanna's mom when she got hysterical after finding out her grandson is gone, bless her heart. I can only image how she felt.

And yet when she was on the stand she was so difficult with Boring. Arguing over Cooper's size and how he fit in the car seat in the photo's Boring was showing her... I mean, it was right there in the photo.

 

[DeDee]

Which reminds me of another weird thing when Ross and Leann were talking in the interview room. In the middle of their discussion, Leann said [paraphrasing] ---" Let me ask you something, do you want to have another child?"
Ross quickly replied, kind of upbeat: " Sure...just because we lost one child doesn't mean we cannot have others..."

:WTH?

I thought that was so weird. Like he was totally ready to replace his child---they both were.

I came into the case in June 2014 with the impression that they colluded in Cooper's death. All of these fine details everyone is posting tonight about LH/LT points to their mutual involvement. jmho
Why ask, "Did you say too much?"
Why state, matter of factly: "Ross must have left him in the car."
Applying for the insurance funds on Cooper's 22 month old life, obtaining Ross' vehicle, wallet, ID, contacting his job, et al

She said, "I did not need for this day to happen." I think she was dreading it, especially since Ross said too much and got himself arrested.

Without a doubt, she lived a life of innocence until she married JRH who was older in years than she. Living with a narcissistic sociopath changes the partner who must turn back flips to accommodate their partner's every whim. Medically, it is called the Classic Double Bind relationship. He abused her kindness and forgiving nature by sexting. He has ED with her. She said that hurt their relationship. He wrote to some stranger escort person that he "tried [with his wife] last night. It was a no go." (paraphrased) Does a "no go" mean LH said No to his advances or does a "no go" mean ED kicked in?

 

[Zoobiegirl]

But really, his work already knew. They told LH while she was at RH office. Plus on the news!!!

Good point! I didn't think of that. Even if the news didn't register, it surely would have that work already knew. Sometimes I overlook the obvious. :facepalm:

 

[blue22]

I was searching for something specific about Dr. Diamond and saw this article from July. There are some very interesting choice of words, as if almost setting up for this trial. I can't find where he used those specific terms about negligence in any other articles.

"Many of these parents have been charged with manslaughter or even murder."

"There is no indication in the cases I have studied that these parents demonstrated an act of willful recklessness or gross negligence for the child's welfare."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/health/hot-car-deaths-explained/

 

[GA_Peach]

Ok , if so, we are left with only 2 scenarios that I can think of.

1. the expert dropped out at the last minute, by his own choosing....

2. the DT chose not to put him on the stand at the last minute...[ file maybe?]


any other scenarios?

I cannot think of another scenario, but I am a strong proponent of theory 2. First, an expert witness is not going to pull out just as he is being called to the stand. It would be completely unprofessional, and quite likely it would be a career-killing move. However, the main reason that I support theory number 2 is because it also explains the complete collapse of the DT. My hunch is that some additional piece of information was garnered, and it was more risky for the DT to continue than to simply rest. That piece of information, which we will likely never know, sank the DT. We could see it on their faces.

The last minuting pulling of yesterday afternoon's witness also coincided with the DT abruptly ending its case. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

Glad your son was OK. Thank Goodness.


But LeAnn was at the TreeHouse. They knew exactly what had happened that day. She did not need to call his job. That was the least of his worries.
They also asked about how to get his car that day, hours after learning Cooper had died in the back seat of heat stroke. And they were both concerned about how to retrieve the car?

I totally missed that about the car, :shame:

 

[turaj]

BBM
Not "Mr. Harris", but "Ross" - Informal and not very professional.

he said "On behalf of Ross the defense rests"...it was strange.

 

[monkeypants]

Might have to start following Lena Lunsford now...this one is ending too quickly and I'm afraid of withdrawals anic:

 

[DeDee]

And yet when she was on the stand she was so difficult with Boring. Arguing over Cooper's size and how he fit in the car seat in the photo's Boring was showing her... I mean, it was right there in the photo.

Yes, and LH/LT testified that she thought the doll's head looked too big so the State had the doll's circumference of the head measured last night and the doll's head is actually a half inch smaller than Baby Cooper's little head. I admire Det. Stockinger for being the fantastic unbiased rebuttal witness that he was today.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

Not trying to equate dog stuff with what happened in this case, this just reminds me of memory lapses in my everyday life.

i have 3 dogs and I work from home. Occasionally if I'm engrossed in a project I won't remember if I've fed them dinner. They will come and bother me and I will generally give them the benefit of the doubt. They use this to their advantage which is probably why they are all a bit chubby.

The weird thing is when I haven't fed them sometimes I have a crystal clear memory of feeding them dinner that day. Only after thinking about it for a while- more than a few minutes- I realize it's a memory of feeding them
dinner yesterday. It's such a routine thing that the memory of one day's feeding seems like the next and it's surprising when I finally realize what I have or haven't done.

BBM I take medication that I must take daily and have a certain time to do so, if I get busy I am often left thinking did I, or did I not, take it. But again, since I MUST take it and have twice accidentally taken a second dose, I have measures in place to help not only remind me but acknowledge whether I have taken it. Obviously, RH and LH didn't take precautions.....for their BABY. :gaah:

 

[GA_Peach]

One more thought about the recent actions of the DT. Whatever piece of information came to light was all encompassing. It did not affect one or two witnesses. It actually brought their entire case to an abrupt stop. I can only think of one piece of evidence that would cause such an immediate halt.

If what was in the FBI file was so compelling, why wouldn't the State have entered it into evidence?

A smoking gun is the only thing explains everything. I believe that the DT attorneys were blindsided. It would also explain MK's obvious frustration with Ross. Am I missing something?

 

[SuperTmo]

This is why I love Ws...so many good comments and things to think about. I felt the SAME about when my dog died from the heat...that I never deserve another dog and couldn't eat or sleep....etc

I'm so sorry that happened. You love your dog and I hope you get another when you are ready.

 

[Zoobiegirl]

We don't know who it was, but the witness with the 50 slides dropped out during the lunch break. Shortly before lunch on Wednesday, which was the day the jurors were excused just before the midday break, MK told the court that he would have a full day of witnesses on both Thursday and Friday. I think that it is important to point out at that the jurors were dismissed immediately before lunch. On the following day, Dr. Brewer testified in the morning. After he was finished, MK stated that he would need some time to get the electronic equipment ready. The court recessed for lunch. Before bringing the jurors back in after lunch, MK told the court that he was out-of-witnesses for the day and that the DT would be resting its case after calling one more witness this morning.

There was a game changing event that occurred yesterday. If it did not actually happen during the lunch break, lunch was the first time that the DT was able to discuss it. It just seems as if they threw in the towel, and I am scratching my head. My husband seems to think that Ross confessed during lunch, but I think that he is pushing my buttons. :doh: I believe that the FBI files were turned over to the DT yesterday so that is a plausible explanation.

What sort of information would be in the FBI files that would cause that reaction? Anybody have a good guess? :thinking:

 

[DeDee]

If I recall correctly, the DT stated on Thursday morning that the file had been turned over. I am not sure when the actual exchange took place.

We all noticed it. Kilgore looked peeved as well.

They aborted everything. Whatever it was that rocked the DT's case happened yesterday. It also had to have happened between the jury being called in first thing in the morning and the end of the lunch break. When they recessed for lunch, the DT had every intention of calling another witness yesterday afternoon.

True.

The sealed envelope of evidence from the FBI presented by the State was entered into evidence, during a jury break, marked as a Court Room Exhibit so that it would be guaranteed that the sealed envelope would not fall into the hands of the jury as one of their exhibits.
Kilgore did not care where it went! And told the Judge it didn't matter. His lips were actually pouting as he remained slumped and sunken in his chair for the remainder of the day, which as we recall, was not a real long time.

 

[katydid23]

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What sort of information would be in the FBI files that would cause that reaction? Anybody have a good guess? :thinking:

I can think of lots of things that might cause that reaction by the DT. But I can't think of anything that would cause that reaction, but that the State wouldn't have already entered into evidence when they saw it. It must be something bad for both sides?

 

[blue22]

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What sort of information would be in the FBI files that would cause that reaction? Anybody have a good guess? :thinking:

I thought on cross Stoddard said it was "articles."

MY feeling is if it was something so shattering it could derail the defense, it would have been entered into to testimony. Why wouldn't the prosecution jump on information that devastating? It doesn't make sense to leave it out. IMO.

 

[JudyBolton]

I am racking my brain trying to come up with a plausible reason for Dr. Diamond to pull out or the DT not to use him. Because of the expense of an expert witness, there is a lot of thought that goes into hiring one. This usually includes the expert spending time reviewing the records. This being a high profile case, I cannot imagine Dr. Diamond was unaware of the crucial points before he agreed to testify.

So that leave the DT choosing not to use him. But WHY? :gaah: