Trial Thread 4/20/2012

[OhSoCurious]

Yep, and he is the cowardly rapist and murderer, who has put all these innocent people to hell and back.

JMO

Two murderers is what you are saying here? MOO

 

[Kamille]

It goes to who manipulated who - I think. Defense is that TLM manipulated MR. This shows that MR was well aware of ways and methods for manipulating young women to do his bidding.

My opinion,

Salem

And remember what TLM said. Something to the effect that she didn't know what her thought process was that day. MR had a big influence over her during that time.

Seems she's not alone in that.

MOO

 

[Sailor Bug]

Disturbing yet Interesting Article

How to Be a Pimp: Using Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Need to Make the Most Money

-"You pimp with your mind and not with your hands." He said this because people often confuse pimping with extortion and strong-arm robbery.

-If you want to make it by being an intimidator then go ahead on. It's easy. You just find somebody weaker than you and rob them. Just remember to victimize people that are outside the protection of the law. Don't just focus on prostitutes. Beat on weak drug dealers, dishonest store-owners or dope-fiends or anyone else that the police won't protect

-But being a pimp is harder-it requires a different mind-set and a different skill set
-What most young players don't know is that the quickest way to make money as a pimp is to fall in love with a prostitute.

To really be successful pimping you have to understand Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Need-players call it the "Pyramid."

-To categorize human need you divide the triangle into five different parts, each of which represents a basic need that all human beings have, including prostitutes. The largest area of the pyramid, the part at the bottom, shows the most pressing of human needs: food, air and water, called "physiological needs."

At the second level of the pyramid is the need for safety and security. You might be able to find a way in here.

-To get in at this level you will say something along the lines of, "I want to protect you,"

At the third level of the pyramid are the human needs for Love and Belongingness, such as the love of family and friends

-Usually, the prostitute is not getting these needs met. That's why the easiest way to get started pimping is to fall in love with a woman who is turning tricks. She probably has a need for love that is not getting met. The average guy on the street does not see her as a logical prospect for a love relationship

-This is where a good pimp can make a living-if he's got the right stuff to be a pimp. All of these women need love. A lot of them are good-looking, resourceful and funny. If you can find a way to "have feelings" for them you will be rewarded financially

-if you have good theatrical skills you might be able to provide an illusion of love-that is, to make her think that you love her.

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-pimp-using-maslows-hierarchy-human-98860.html

 

[Kamille]

TLM is more than a witness. She is the admitted murderer. MOO

In this trial she is a witness. This is not her trial.

MOO

 

[snoofer]

RaffertyLFP: Hoping for family, marriage with Rafferty. [via Twitter]


Avery Moore ‏ @AveryFreeFMNews
Spitzig says she met #Rafferty online in April 2008. Dated. Hoped for more, marriage, family etc...

he doesn't seem like the type to take on 5 kids and a wife grrrrr.

 

[TopTop]

This is something I find most disturbing. He went out of his way to show this women the story of the missing child. She knew nothing about it. He discussed it with every one of these women, whether they brought it up or not it seems. It was like he was revelling in his handiwork and reliving it over and over and over. Like some kind of weird obsession.

MOO

Was he trying to guage their reactions to see if they would be willing to kidnap a child for him the next time? MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

Charity Spitzig, a 26-year-old mother of four young children, testified she made regular bank payments to Michael Rafferty during their relationship. “We discussed me getting into the escorting business, which I did,” said Spitzig. “Any money I was making would go to him.”

This admission resulted in audible gasps in the courtroom.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...ments-from-prostitute-girlfriend-court-hears/

I bet my gasp could be heard in the courtroom as well!

 

[Kamille]

Brings a whole new meaning to one of his favourite books doesn't it?

"How to Win Friends and Influence People".

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People"]How to Win Friends and Influence People - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Wondergirl]

Two murderers is what you are saying here? MOO

Absolutely.

Both those people murdered Tori. No question.

Just like the Crown says, there is not a requirement to determine who did what. If they both took Tori, took her to the field, and her life ended as a direct result, they are both guilty.

Both murderers.

JMO

 

[snoofer]

And TLM manipulated him?!?

MOO

omg he is so going down he wasn't manipulated MOO

 

[Kamille]

he doesn't seem like the type to take on 5 kids and a wife grrrrr.

We need to clarify that she had one set of young twins and was 8 months pregnant with the child who passed away when she met him.

MOO

 

[snoofer]

I knew she ran an escort service, but had no idea she was giving him all the money.

does she work for him? or is she just forking it over JMO

 

[Oldsoul2]

Didn't some of the girls testify that MR asked them if they found it strange to take people out of their homes or some comments like that? He was testing them IMO, he was looking not only for his cash cow he was looking for women who would do his dirty deed whatever that was and he found TLM......

 

[Wondergirl]

Video on today's events here,:


http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120420/rafferty-stafford-trial-120420/

 

[Wondergirl]

Justice Heeney, the accused and the jury are in the courtroom. Ready to begin.

RaffertyLFP: Jury being brought in. Rafferty in court

Charity Spitzig is the crown's next witness.

Lead crown attorney Kevin Gowdey will handle the examination in chief.

Spitzig has 5 kids, one has passed away. She lived in London in 2009.

RaffertyLFP: 2009 living in London. Knew Rafferty through Plenty of Fish dating website.

Here is your answer, Kamille.



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[~n/t~]

Brings a whole new meaning to one of his favourite books doesn't it?

"How to Win Friends and Influence People".

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No offense to anyone who has read that book and the author but I label it the book for narcissists. Just my opinion from people I know who have read it. My ex brother in law being one. He think he's God's gift to the world.

 

[Kamille]

does she work for him? or is she just forking it over JMO

She testified that he told her he was attending dance schooling and only had a side job so therefore I guess he indicated he had no money since he was in full time "dance school". She obviously also thought he had car payments. I'm sure the whole story from this woman would be very interesting.

MOO

 

[Wondergirl]

I do believe that there will be some on the jury who feel that this new evidence from the Escort has taken things to a different level, with the obscene number of women testifying for the Crown.

Derstine didn't put her under the heat, and THAT speaks for itself.

He appeared more harsh in questioning the poor girl after Charity, about WHICH date she had SEX with MTR on, than trying to attack Charity's testimony, which was utterly damning.

He just left the bombshell on it's own.



JMO




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[Salem]

It seems that MR had his own little business of woman on the side taking anything he could get (leech) including pimping at least one out. Plus he was always on that cell texting and making dates etc. When would he find the time to plot a kidnapping? I really believe this was TLM minute decision. But why would he hang onto TLM she had no money and he sure didn't need her for drugs as he clearly had enough money to buy them himself without TLM getting them for him. I wonder if TLM was into Oxy's before she met MR?

Because with all her emotional issues, she was easy to manipulate, IMO. I think, give her a little love, promise her a ring, tell her it is an exclusive relationship and just like CS, can talk her into anything.

Yes, TLM was into Oxy's before MR met her and her mom had a prescription, another reason MR wanted to hang on to this one - free drugs.

MR seemed to let many women believe they were in an exclusive relationship??????


All my opinion.

Salem

 

[Oldsoul2]

She testified that he told her he was attending dance schooling and only had a side job so therefore I guess he indicated he had no money since he was in full time "dance school". She obviously also thought he had car payments. I'm sure the whole story from this woman would be very interesting.

MOO

The defense will never allow that to happen