Still Missing Turkey - Jamal Khashoggi, 59, Washington Post columnist, Istanbul, 3 Oct 2018

[JudgeJudi]

The Saudis shifting versions – Part 2

October 13: Turkish media quote officials as saying JK has been killed and dismembered inside the consulate. SA’s interior minister describes claims in the media that there were “orders to kill (Khashoggi)” as “lies and baseless allegations.”

October 14: Turkey’s Foreign Ministry renews calls on SA to allow investigators to search the consulate.

October 15: After two weeks, Turkish investigators were finally permitted to enter the consulate shortly after Saudi officials and a group of cleaners were seen entering the building. They discovered the scene had been tampered with and that some of what they needed to examine had been painted over.

October 16: Without warning, the Saudi consul, a key witness in the case, abruptly left Turkey for SA.

October 17: Turkish authorities begin searching the consul’s residence in Istanbul.

October 20: SA’s prosecutor says preliminary investigations show an “altercation” and “fistfight” led to JK’s death shortly after he arrived at the consulate. He said that 18 Saudi nationals were detained. An official suggested JK didn’t suffer. “(A chokehold) is how he died. It didn’t last that long”. However, Turkish sources said he took seven minutes to die.

October 21: A senior official said he died after “discussions” deteriorated into a “brawl and a fistfight” involving more than a dozen Saudi officials. A source said the cause of death was a chokehold or strangulation after resisting attempts to return him to SA. A Saudi official gave details on how the team of 15 Saudi nationals (intelligence agents and government officials) sent to confront JK on October 2 had threatened him with being drugged and kidnapped and then killed him in a chokehold when he resisted. A member of the team then dressed in JK’s clothes to make it appear as if he had left the consulate. His body was then rolled in a rug and given to a local "co-operator" to be disposed of. There are contradictory reports as to whether he had been tortured and beheaded.

 

[JudgeJudi]

The Saudis shifting versions – Part 3

October 22: The SA Foreign Minister said the killing was a "tremendous mistake" and part of a rogue operation. "The individuals who did this did this outside the scope of their authority. There obviously was a tremendous mistake made, and what compounded the mistake was the attempt to try to cover up. That is unacceptable in any government." He said the Crown Prince was not aware of the operation beforehand. "Even the senior leadership over intelligence service was not aware of this".

Turkish officials said JK was tortured and killed within two hours of arriving and was then dismembered. They say they have audio and video evidence to support this claim. The SA consul could be heard on one tape warning the alleged Saudi agents, “Do this outside. You're going to get me in trouble." A person can reportedly be heard telling the consul on another tape, "Shut up if you want to live when you return to [Saudi] Arabia". Turkish employees at the consul's residence were "hastily" told to leave on the day JK disappeared. Technicians carried out bags and boxes from the consul general’s home.

Two vehicles belonging to the consulate left the building on Oct 2. One travelled to a nearby forest and farmland, which the police have searched, while the other travelled to the city of Yalova, across the Sea of Marmara from Istanbul.

October 22: Investigators discovered an abandoned vehicle they said belonged to the consulate. It was located in an underground private parking lot about 10 miles from the consulate grounds. Turkish investigators were prevented by Saudi authorities from searching the car which bore diplomatic license plates.

Later on October 22: The pro-government A Haber channel aired footage showing Consulate officials burning documents in the mission’s garden the day after JK was killed. It appeared to have been filmed from directly above the consulate.

BREAKING

October 23: A new bombshell report by pro-Government daily Yeni Safak claims the Crown Prince telephoned JK moments before he was killed. This is yet to be verified but all the Turkish reports to date have been largely accurate.

“Khashoggi was detained by the Saudi team inside the consulate building. Then Prince Mohammed contacted Khashoggi by phone and tried to convince him to return to Riyadh,” the report said.

“Khashoggi refused Prince Mohammed’s offer out of fear he would be arrested and killed if he returned. The assassination team then killed Khashoggi after the conversation ended.”

 

[JudgeJudi]

Murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi's severed fingers were taken back to Saudi Arabia and presented to the kingdom's ruling crown prince, it is claimed.

A hit squad that assassinated the Washington Post columnist chopped off his fingers when he was still alive and kept them as a macabre trophy, according to reports.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ggi-murdered-journalists-severed-13462845.amp

That's absolutely disgusting but I guess it could have been worse ... the poor man's head on a platter. Oh, its for the crown prince so it would have to be a golden platter. This is something straight out of a horror movie.

 

[JudgeJudi]

A Turkish politician on Monday floated a wild rumour that Khashoggi’s body was found in a well near the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Turkey’s president has publicly demanded the whereabouts of the body of JK, shooting down a wild rumour that his body was found in a well in on the grounds of the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. “Where is the body of Jamal Khashoggi?” Erdogan said. “No one knows until now.”

Erdogan also alluded to Saudi claims that JK’s body had been rolled up in a rug and given to a local person for disposal. However, Turkish intelligence said that his body was dismembered.

He said on Tuesday, “There is a claim that the body of Khashoggi has been given to a local person. I am asking, Who is that local person? No one is talking about this local person. Someone has said that it was a local person. You need to reveal the name of this local person. No one is allowed to think that this case will come to an end without answering any of these questions.”

A wild rumour claimed Jamal Khashoggi's body had been found in a well, but Turkey's president says it is still missing

 

[rebel123]

I heard this guy was way more than just some simple journalist. I think his other involvements and connections got him killed. Jmo

He had international connections; so was well known and liked in the West. He was a friend of the Turkish President.

 

[rebel123]

Jamal Khashoggi's body parts found

Sky sources: Jamal Khashoggi's body parts found

 

[Inthedetails]

"One source told the news outlet that Khashoggi’s remains were found in the garden of the Saudi consul general’s home."

https://nypost.com/2018/10/23/khash...rtedly-found-in-saudi-consul-generals-garden/

 

[Elley Mae]

I heard this guy was way more than just some simple journalist. I think his other involvements and connections got him killed. Jmo

Perceived threat: Long, tangled history put Khashoggi in crosshairs

Jamal Khashoggi killing sparked by Muslim Brotherhood ties

Snippets

Mr. Khashoggi, who was 59 when he disappeared at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, is said to have withdrawn years ago from any formal affiliation with the Brotherhood, but his past ties to the transnational Islamist group are believed to have been a source of distrust for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The 33-year-old prince branded the Brotherhood a terrorist organization, and one of his signature moves as heir to the Saudi throne was to cut off all ties with the rival Gulf nation of Qatar. The prince blames Doha for financing the Muslim Brotherhood to foment unrest against the powers that be across the Arab world, in particular Saudi Arabia.

Some say Mohammed, who has a reputation for quickly identifying and crushing any threats to his authority, was well aware of Mr. Khashoggi’s political activities and likely more concerned about them than his journalistic efforts as a columnist for The Washington Post.

The New York Times, citing interviews with longtime friends of Mr. Khashoggi, reported that he was in the midst of raising money for DAWN when he disappeared in Turkey, whose own government is a rival to Saudi Arabia in the Muslim world and has close ties to Qatar and to the Muslim Brotherhood.


Jmo - This is the why.

 

[Elley Mae]

Jmo -SA could have killed him anytime they wanted to, my opinion on turkey is that it is also a message to erdogen. Jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Khashoggi case sheds light on Turkey’s history of spying and surveillance

Khashoggi case sheds light on Turkey’s history of spying and surveillance

Whether or not the recordings exist, or would ever be released if they do, the reports add to tales of intrigue and surveillance in Turkey, a country where wiretapping scandals have erupted from time to time and whose government closely monitors the internet, banning websites and targeting critics deemed a threat

 

[Elley Mae]

Good article, helps to understand situation & murder.


Airstrikes in Yemen, Jamal Khashoggi and the US-Saudi relationship — here’s the history you need

Airstrikes in Yemen, Jamal Khashoggi and the US-Saudi relationship — here’s the history you need

 

[Herat]

He had international connections; so was well known and liked in the West. He was a friend of the Turkish President.

He was planning to start an independent TV station out of Turkey, something like an Al-Jazeera program. Clearly with the approval ( and likely investment money) of Erdogan. His inside info about the SA Royals and their suppressive activities would be broadcast worldwide from Turkey. He also may have had information on some certain US-SA relations.

Erdogan is also a despot and not a champion of freedom of the press. He is playing a very calculated game here and it involves "bribing" the US to deport Fettullah Gulan to stand trial in Turkey. He could also use a lot of Saudi money. And he would like to re-establish Turkey as a middle-east powerhouse, rather than let SA pretend to lead the mid-east into the 21st century.

 

[Herat]

The photo of Khashoggi's adult son Salah al Khashoggi shaking the hands of King Salman and MBS gives me the chills. He looks pale and scared.

I really fear for the life of that young man. In feudal times, the Kings would kill all the children of a challenger so no blood children could rise to revenge their father. MBS has proven to be a cruel, vindictive, feudal oligarch right out of the Dark Ages.

I wouldn't put it past him to arrange an "accident" some months or years from now

 

[Elley Mae]

Erdogan Seizes on Saudi Murder as Chance to Upend Middle East


Erdogan Seizes on Saudi Murder as Chance to Upend Middle East

Turkey has been labeled the world’s “worst jailer” of journalists the past two years by the Committee to Protect Journalists. The organization says 73 journalists were behind bars in Turkey as of December 2017, according to its latest annual report, and “fresh arrests take place regularly.”

“Erdogan put all of his money behind the Brotherhood during the Arab uprisings and he’s lost everything," said Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “But he gained a lot of enemies: MBS is one of them."

Turkey’s impassioned backing of Mursi and other Brotherhood-inspired movements created a kind of regional anti-Erdogan bloc led by the Saudis, El-Sisi’s Egypt and the U.A.E.’s Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed, or MBZ. Ironically, given Erdogan’s intolerance of criticism, he turned the nation into a leading safe haven for Islamist dissidents, many of whom are considered terrorists at home.

Khashoggi’s murder was in a broader sense an attack on Turkey’s policy of harboring critics of other Arab regimes, according to Cagaptay.

 

[dotr]

Wondering why they cheaped out on the body double?
Surely they could have bought similar shoes to those worn by JK.
If the imposter was going to wear a fake beard, why not complete the process and also apply a bald pate to replicate JK's hairline?
Surprisingly sloppy imo, speculation.
Video shows Khashoggi ‘body double’ leave Saudi consulate after killing

 

[Wagtales10]

The war on free press is happening all over the world. It's sickening to see demagogues insult the media to booster their bases

 

[Herat]

The photo of the son of Khashoggi bowing and shaking the hands of King Salman and MBS is even more sinister that it appears.

The other frames show a Royal Guard with gun in hand to the immediate right of MBS, facing Salah. This was done essentially at gunpoint.

The reportedly demented old King may think it's a condolence gesture, but for MBS this is a propaganda photo aimed directly at Saudi dissidents

It says "I own the son of the dissident. He is under my control"

MBS can trump up a charge against this young man at any time and imprison him, or worse. Rather than make him the martyr's son, MBS is showing he is essentially his prisoner. Never allowed to leave KSA. Always watched. Always at risk of being made an example to other dissidents around.

I am very worried for the safety and/or freedom of this young man.

 

[SJ16321]

Wondering why they cheaped out on the body double?
Surely they could have bought similar shoes to those worn by JK.
If the imposter was going to wear a fake beard, why not complete the process and also apply a bald pate to replicate JK's hairline?
Surprisingly sloppy imo, speculation.
Video shows Khashoggi ‘body double’ leave Saudi consulate after killing

They probably had no idea what shoes he would be wearing until he actually turned up on the day. They could have used JK's shoes but they probably either didn't fit or were covered in blood and not usable.

As you say it's very sloppy but they probably thought it was enough to pass off as JK in some grainy CCTV images.

It could also have been a botched kidnap. That would give them limited time to put together this plan. I don't think that's a very likely theory to be honest but it would explain the shoddy plan to try and get away with it.

 

[Elley Mae]

The photo of the son of Khashoggi bowing and shaking the hands of King Salman and MBS is even more sinister that it appears.

The other frames show a Royal Guard with gun in hand to the immediate right of MBS, facing Salah. This was done essentially at gunpoint.

The reportedly demented old King may think it's a condolence gesture, but for MBS this is a propaganda photo aimed directly at Saudi dissidents

It says "I own the son of the dissident. He is under my control"

MBS can trump up a charge against this young man at any time and imprison him, or worse. Rather than make him the martyr's son, MBS is showing he is essentially his prisoner. Never allowed to leave KSA. Always watched. Always at risk of being made an example to other dissidents around.

I am very worried for the safety and/or freedom of this young man.

A Saudi friend of Khashoggi who was in frequent touch with him before his death told The Associated Press that Khashoggi’s son, Salah, has been under a travel ban and barred from leaving the kingdom since last year as a result of his father’s criticism of the government. The friend spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of repercussion. The Saudi statements did not acknowledge the ban.

Saudi King and Crown Prince Call Slain Journalist's Son

 

[JerseyGirl]

Report: Saudi journalist Khashoggi's remains found

Khashoggi's body was found in the garden of the Saudi consul general's home, according to Sky News ■ CNN reports say investigators found two suitcases with Khashoggi's personal belongings

Sources in the Istanbul Prosecutor's office denied that Khashoggi's remains were found at the consul general's home, adding that a picture on social media purportedly showing the corpse is fake.