GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[ThinkHard]

OT Just the most recent news in English from that website:

http://en.haberler.com/police-in-pursuit-of-number-one-murder-suspect-of-255079/

So if the DNA is a match, (close familial match) to the DNA under SS nails.

Do we go with the simple assumption that he went crazy and killed her and fled.

Or with some of this other misleading, confusing, and potentially intentionally deceptive information to we ponder the possibility that Z came upon the scene, and they framed him. Perhaps he struggled to get away, and that is why he ended up dirty, he didn't struggle with SS, but with her perp, or someone trying to stage the body. I know its a bit of a stretch BUT if someone where to go as far as using a sarai look a like as a decoy, would they also not go as far to frame a homeless man for her murder?

Maybe Z fled in fear of his life, because he knew he was framed, and he knew that if he tried to tell the truth he'd be killed or not believed anyway.

A stretch yes, but not totally impossible.

 

[NewYork625]

With all respect due, I do not believe he is the murderer.

Just MOO

I'm not saying he is or isn't. I was up most of last night trying to make sense of everything, and I'm even more tired and confused now than I was then! :sigh:

 

[KivaSupporter]

So if the DNA is a match, (close familial match) to the DNA under SS nails.

Do we go with the simple assumption that he went crazy and killed her and fled.

Or with some of this other misleading, confusing, and potentially intentionally deceptive information to we ponder the possibility that Z came upon the scene, and they framed him. Perhaps he struggled to get away, and that is why he ended up dirty, he didn't struggle with SS, but with her perp, or someone trying to stage the body. I know its a bit of a stretch BUT if someone where to go as far as using a sarai look a like as a decoy, would they also not go as far to frame a homeless man for her murder?

Maybe Z fled in fear of his life, because he knew he was framed, and he knew that if he tried to tell the truth he'd be killed or not believed anyway.

A stretch yes, but not totally impossible.

I am inclined to think he was framed.

 

[KrysJP]

With all due respect, I do not believe he is the murderer.

Just MOO

but there must have been some sort of physical contact if his DNA was found under her fingernails. no?

 

[KivaSupporter]

I'm not saying he is or isn't. I was up most of last night trying to make sense of everything, and I'm even more tired and confused now than I was then! :sigh:

Goodness, I thought I was unique. I also stay up late at night and trying to understand it. And yes, I am very confused.

 

[KivaSupporter]

but there must have been some sort of physical contact if his DNA was found under her fingernails. no?

Yes, of course. I am thinking... Not going to bed...

At the beginning, I thought I could understand it in some way. Now, I don't understand it at all.

 

[ThinkHard]

Oh also something else just occurred to me that I always thought was weird.

When Taylan heard her body was found, and that DNA was discovered, is supposedly when he told LE about bathroom sex on the night of the 20th. So many of us assumed he must be telling the truth because maybe he didn't kill her, but had good reason to believe his DNA could be found on her.

However if she did have bathroom sex with him on the night of the 20th, and didn't leave her apartment until 1133 on the 21st...most women I know would have showered. Especially after having sex the night before, and especially if said sex took place in a public bathroom. So assuming this why would Taylan be so nervous that his DNA could be found on the body, if there was such a gap in time btw when he last saw her and a high probability she would have showered. INLESS some sex did happen on the night of the 20th....and it was also the night of the 20th that she died...then he would have more reason to fear his DNA could be found on her, because he would KNOW there was no way she showered btw the sex and her death. This would be a much bigger risk for him, increasing his fear, and increasing his reason for singing to the cops about their sex act as the excuse.

Coincidently when it came out his DNA did not match, that his lawyer started to down play the sex act and up play the just tea scenario.

 

[Herat]

Odds on finding Mr. Z alive?

 

[KivaSupporter]

Oh also something else just occurred to me that I always thought was weird.

When Taylan heard her body was found, and that DNA was discovered, is supposedly when he told LE about bathroom sex on the night of the 20th. So many of us assumed he must be telling the truth because maybe he didn't kill her, but had good reason to believe his DNA could be found on her.

However if she did have bathroom sex with him on the night of the 20th, and didn't leave her apartment until 1133 on the 21st...most women I know would have showered. Especially after having sex the night before, and especially if said sex took place in a public bathroom. So assuming this why would Taylan be so nervous that his DNA could be found on the body, if there was such a gap in time btw when he last saw her and a high probability she would have showered. INLESS some sex did happen on the night of the 20th....and it was also the night of the 20th that she died...then he would have more reason to fear his DNA could be found on her, because he would KNOW there was no way she showered btw the sex and her death. This would be a much bigger risk for him, increasing his fear, and increasing his reason for singing to the cops about their sex act as the excuse.

Coincidently when it came out his DNA did not match, that his lawyer started to down play the sex act and up play the just tea scenario.

I agree with your way of thinking (not that I know anything about sex with strangers or friends) Really!!! I am trying to understand.

 

[KrysJP]

Lets pull up some "facts" or should I say speculations? that we know of Z

- he was mentally unstable
- he was seen with blood and dirt on his clothing
- it was said that it was his blanket that was found on SS
- his DNA was under SS finger nails tissue
- he happened to return to his relatives house after the scenario and they gave him money to get on a train
- he has not been seen ever since

anything else?

I also find it weird how his own family would tell LE of his destination. Thats basically telling LE "this is where my brother is heading, go get him" My opinion, they told LE that to throw them off. Maybe THEY didn't even know where he was heading. I also find it hard to believe when they say oh, he comes around every 2 to 3 years. Really? I feel they are trying to throw off LE by saying that they never see him so they don't speculate that he will return.

 

[ThinkHard]

but there must have been some sort of physical contact if his DNA was found under her fingernails. no?

I dunno. I'm not really sure how you would frame someone. But I would think, say he stumbled on the staging or crime itself, and someone fought him to the ground, and told him they would let him live if he helped them, but he had to leave town and say nothing to anyone, because if he was caught no one wold believe him, and his DNA would be tied to the body anyway.

Specifically how could they plant it...hmmm totally guessing but I would thing there would be away to scrap skin with some kind of metal object. And from these scraping plant that evidence under sarai finger nails. Even a small amount of it under the fingers could tie him to it. Or less likely I guess, if she was killed by the blanket, and it was Z's blanket with his DNA , skin cells on the blanket, and sarai grasped at it, maybe to pull it away from her face or something...could that cause his DNA to get under her fingernails? I m not sure, I would think its possible but I don't know too much about the specifics of DNA evidence.

 

[NewYork625]

Lets pull up some "facts" or should I say speculations? that we know of Z

- he was mentally unstable
- he was seen with blood and dirt on his clothing
- it was said that it was his blanket that was found on SS
- his DNA was under SS finger nails tissue
- he happened to return to his relatives house after the scenario and they gave him money to get on a train
- he has not been seen ever since anything else?

He used an alias to purchase his ticket.

 

[ThinkHard]

Yes, the date on this article is also Feb 1 and google translater says the body was estimated to be in the water one day.

http://www.sondakika.com/haber/haber-denizdeki-kadin-cesedine-abd-li-kayip-sarai-4296899/

So if we assume the article was written the day she was found, she would have been in the water since the 31st. If the article was written the day after she was found, she would have been in the water since the 30th.

And if I remember correctly sarai electronics were turned on the 29th and the 30th? Does anyone remember for sure?

I'm not sure it's related but that's an interesting timing.

Maybe they were still using that woman up until that time and were hoping to somehow use Sarai's Skype and that woman to accomplish .... Something ? Hmmm not sure that makes sense...bu the timing of the Skype call and when this women would have been put in the water is interesting.....I wonder if Sarai's electronics went into the water along with this woman....

 

[NewYork625]

I just found something with the photos that T supposedly shared on IG with SS before he deleted his account. I don't know if there were more, but if the first one is the one with the wall (in the background), it looks innocent enough to me.

For some reason I was under the impression he had previously posted (and shared with SS) photos he had taken of the area where she was later found.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sohbetyap.org%2Fblog%2Fiste-o-sir-adam-taylan%2F

 

[KrysJP]

Yes, of course. I am thinking... Not going to bed...

At the beginning, I thought I could understand it in some way. Now, I don't understand it at all.

I don't think anyone does. Theres way too much false information and new theories trickling out every so often. Hopefully LE knows way more than we do and is close to solving this case.

 

[KivaSupporter]

I also don't know much about it but I am sure those who do would know how to use it to incriminate someone.

I may be wrong but I really don't think this guy is a murderer. He might be involved in it in some way, like finding a body. Trying to hide it? Covering it with his blanket? Yes, but that does not make him guilty.

I am inclined to believe he was mentally ill, but that does not mean capable of murder.

I really don't believe he is the one who killed Sarai. JMO

 

[KivaSupporter]

I don't think anyone does. Theres way too much false information and new theories trickling out every so often. Hopefully LE knows way more than we do and is close to solving this case.

Thank you for saying that. I agree.

 

[Herat]

And it's all such a tidy package on the very sad day of her funeral.

 

[ThinkHard]

Lets pull up some "facts" or should I say speculations? that we know of Z

- he was mentally unstable
- he was seen with blood and dirt on his clothing
- it was said that it was his blanket that was found on SS
- his DNA was under SS finger nails tissue
- he happened to return to his relatives house after the scenario and they gave him money to get on a train
- he has not been seen ever since

anything else?

I also find it weird how his own family would tell LE of his destination. Thats basically telling LE "this is where my brother is heading, go get him" My opinion, they told LE that to throw them off. Maybe THEY didn't even know where he was heading. I also find it hard to believe when they say oh, he comes around every 2 to 3 years. Really? I feel they are trying to throw off LE by saying that they never see him so they don't speculate that he will return.

Could be. I didn't really take the way they reacted to come across that way. They seemed to me, to be more simple people who believed in right from wrong and who felt like sarai deserved justice. Of course no one wants to believe their own family member can do such things, but they seemed like they were being honest with police, and felt that if their brother was indeed guilty then he deserved to be caught. I didn't really get the impression they were trying to cover for him. But that's just from my opinion. What do I know.

We are all just guessing.

Also his DNA hasn't yet been proven to be under her finger nails, at this point, only that the DNA under her finger nails had a strong familial match. Which is still,pretty strong. However if it was his blanket, could his DNA get under her nails from grasping the blanket, or tryin to pull it off her mouth if someone was trying to keep her quiet.....

Or could he have been intentionally framed.

 

[NewYork625]

Could be. I didn't really take the way they reacted to come across that way. They seemed to me, to be more simple people who believed in right from wrong and who felt like sarai deserved justice. Of course no one wants to believe their own family member can do such things, but they seemed like they were being honest with police, and felt that if their brother was indeed guilty then he deserved to be caught. I didn't really get the impression they were trying to cover for him. But that's just from my opinion. What do I know.

We are all just guessing.

Also his DNA hasn't yet been proven to be under her finger nails, at this point, only that the DNA under her finger nails had a strong familial match. Which is still,pretty strong. However if it was his blanket, could his DNA get under her nails from grasping the blanket, or tryin to pull it off her mouth if someone was trying to keep her quiet.....
Or could he have been intentionally framed.

BBM Good point!