GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #5

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Yashim and alabaster thanks for the support. You've both had great insights too. Yashim, I think you were the one that translated the article, on which I based my scenario, that SS was seen photographing a group of the homeless and then alone with Z. A shout out also to the websleuth that within minutes of seeing the video of SS walking down the street in the red shirt, said I think there was a sex crime behind this.

I think SS being 9 going on 32 ( see #2 in my scenario) did lead to SS's demise.

Just to add to the scenario a few new pieces of information:

1. Last night someone here said SS crossed the road to take picture of the doors of C. . That's what got her to cross the street. Then she was surrounded by the "nice" and charming group of homeless. She's thinking like a 9 year old. "Oh, they're so nice" and she's left with the especially nice Z.

2. Z was a scavenger. I think SS looked to him to be a vision of loveliness. I think he thought, first I'm going to rape her. Then I'm going to take her jacket, phone, and Ipad to sell.

3. Add also to the scenario that SS had been filmed walking like a schoolgirl, swinging her jacket as she walked to the dangerous part of town. She had gotten the text from Taylan , with whom she was smitten, that he would be joining her. I think she was going to stay on the other side of the road until Taylan came, but then got carried away with the photographs of the doors, the homeless, and then the oh so helpful Z.

4. I'm leaning more toward Z dragging her body at night away from the murder site. I think he wiped the body clean of fingerprints, as best he could, and that's why at first LE was saying it looked "professional." But he didn't get under SS's fingernails.

What do you think?

I think that the woman on the video could be anybody, and at the start of the video the person looked wearied. If it was SS that's because she had walked so far and still did not seem to be getting anywhere.
The person got hot and swung the jacket in frustration rather than in a mood of carefree schoolgirlishness.
T. was already bored with her and was not going to meet her.
If she felt a momentary aversion to Z she changed it to some 'Christian' ''poor man, let me not look down on him'' attitude.
As to your suggestions regarding what Z was thinking, yes, seems a probable scenario.
 
...I do get that wpoe and Herat are jokingly running with the fake head-throw.
 
funny, Sandoval... Z didn't have time to make the discus throwing team...but then again maybe he didn't make the cut and that led to him dropping out.
 
funny, Sandoval... Z didn't have time to make the discus throwing team...but then again maybe he didn't make the cut and that led to him dropping out.

And hence the substance abuse......

An Olympic medal in discus for Turkey would have made Z a national hero.

Tragic, really.
 
Herat, If he'd made the team, he would today be running the 2020 Istanbul Summer Olympics committee, with a special emphasis on discus throwing.
 
Yashim and alabaster thanks for the support. You've both had great insights too. Yashim, I think you were the one that translated the article, on which I based my scenario, that SS was seen photographing a group of the homeless and then alone with Z. A shout out also to the websleuth that within minutes of seeing the video of SS walking down the street in the red shirt, said I think there was a sex crime behind this.

I think SS being 9 going on 32 ( see #2 in my scenario) did lead to SS's demise.

Just to add to the scenario a few new pieces of information:

1. Last night someone here said SS crossed the road to take picture of the doors of C. . That's what got her to cross the street. Then she was surrounded by the "nice" and charming group of homeless. She's thinking like a 9 year old. "Oh, they're so nice" and she's left with the especially nice Z.

2. Z was a scavenger. I think SS looked to him to be a vision of loveliness. I think he thought, first I'm going to rape her. Then I'm going to take her jacket, phone, and Ipad to sell.

3. Add also to the scenario that SS had been filmed walking like a schoolgirl, swinging her jacket as she walked to the dangerous part of town. She had gotten the text from Taylan , with whom she was smitten, that he would be joining her. I think she was going to stay on the other side of the road until Taylan came, but then got carried away with the photographs of the doors, the homeless, and then the oh so helpful Z.

4. I'm leaning more toward Z dragging her body at night away from the murder site. I think he wiped the body clean of fingerprints, as best he could, and that's why at first LE was saying it looked "professional." But he didn't get under SS's fingernails.

What do you think?


I totally agree. SS must have been fooled by his appearance. People who are confident with their character judgement skills often do get mistaken when they apply them in a foreign culture.

From Day 1, I was 100% sure that this was committed by a one of the homeless residents of the walls, at least until oddities began to pile up (incl. misinterpretation of the jacket as a bag) and Z made such a professional escape.

Never once thought that T had anything to do with it. And I had focused on a druggie. Because only a druggie could be so uncontrolled with a stone to overkill someone. (Unrecognizable face and driver's license don't make sense together.) And realizing he had killed the victim and gives up rape, that's why there was no sign of rape (at least so we're told).

But then this trash paper collector guy shows up. And I was confused. Then we learned that he was an addict too.

And if there had been a murder there before, that place had been cleaned up long ago. So, something very extraordinary must have happened. A really really stoned druggie, not being able to restrain the victim and not many around either to help him restrain her or to stop him from killing her.

Parallel to your theory, I think he wanted to rape her. I am not 100% sure about "him personally stealing the electronics". But maybe he wasn't alone....

I don't think Z really cares about money. At least not with any amount that will last him more than a few days.

He (or they) attacked her. Maybe the idea of attacking wasn't even his. But he was the one who he ended up killing her. Then either the others took the iPad or he bribed some witnesses with the iPad to keep quiet and to help him move the body.

I am assuming he was in a state of delirium due to whatever he had been inhaling that day. Because he is close to 50 and so far he only had charged with some sort of misdemeanors, petty theft perhaps. But murder and rape are serious felonies. And his friends say he really is not that kind of guy. I also believe if he were, he would have made the prison much earlier.

The guy is mentally unstable but when he is sober, I believe he looks quite normal. Maybe that made SS trust him. All people have some prejudices. If he was the perfect middle-easterner, maybe SS would have been more careful. But Z looks like a less charming version of Malcolm McDowell.

Afraid of getting caught and ironically maybe even ashamed of what he had done, he ran away.

Some other people must have entered the picture at some time. I don't think he can do everything on his own and still make sure that no one sees anything. So, that's where I get my bribing witnesses with iPad theory.
 
'' but when he is sober, I believe he looks quite normal. Maybe that made SS trust him.''
I can see that he was apparently not a suspicious character on the bus, and was capable of chatting coherently in a coffee shop, but if he was NOT doped when he met SS so as to make her trust him, he could not have ALSO been in a druggie delirium? Unless she was there for some long time, which is possible.
I was thinking also, that the ''6 months to live'' story most likely means he intends to change his identity as soon as possible.A country full of unrest would be a handy place to steal or appropriate the documents belonging to another, without too much follow-up from that person's relatives, if any.
 
I think that the woman on the video could be anybody, and at the start of the video the person looked wearied. If it was SS that's because she had walked so far and still did not seem to be getting anywhere.
The person got hot and swung the jacket in frustration rather than in a mood of carefree schoolgirlishness.
T. was already bored with her and was not going to meet her.
If she felt a momentary aversion to Z she changed it to some 'Christian' ''poor man, let me not look down on him'' attitude.
As to your suggestions regarding what Z was thinking, yes, seems a probable scenario.


Maybe the fact that her last day wasn't going the way she wanted made her careless and overlook possible threats and risks.

But I still DO NOT understand how they couldn't manage to meet that day.

TK not meeting her even though he promised to do so - not very likely. Not Turkish at all.

20 years ago, nobody in Turkey was using cell phones, pay phones were rare, we had to use special tokens (not coins) and we couldn't receive inbound calls, yet we still managed to honor our appointments.

I just don't get how they couldn't meet.
 
<< lots of major cities in Europe look down on sneakers>>

I realize this is totally irrelevant to the case, but so is discus throwing, and I dislike these types of generalizations. Europeans may have disdain for those honking white trainer-type sneakers a lot of Americans sport, but just go into any shoe store in at least Western Europe and there are hundreds of sneaker choices. Watch the feet of passersby in any city like Paris or London and you'll see...sneakers!

But to get back to the case, I've been thinking about why SS chose Istanbul out of all the places she might have chosen, as a person who'd never left the country. I don't think it was random that she struck up IG friendships with Turks. Her uncle, David Jimenez, had some sort of Turkish connection, if the news reports are accurate. I think that may have been where her "connection" to Turkey commenced. So she reached out to people on IG in a country she may have had at least a bit of knowledge of to begin with. Because wouldn't the average person first think of other more obvious tourist destinations in Europe?
 
I think Z was more motivated by the sexual assault than the stealing. But assuming tourists didn't usually wander there...and you have a vision of loveliness, naively talking to them and taking pictures with her ipad...he might have viewed her as the complete package.

I think the minister did describe her also as very trusting...obviously.(i.e. the couch in Amsterdam.) And she thought she was a good judge of character and was emboldened by "look everything I've done so far on this trip worked out".

Kudos, to you, Yashim, for knowing it was a homeless person...because when you first proposed it and the evidence was pointing to dumping her body to make it look like a homeless person...I was thinking back then, no you're being duped, but you were right.

My guess is he wasn't high when he was hand gesturing to SS...maybe he took a sniff during the sexual assault, though. ( His inhalant of choice was probably just in his pocket ready to go.)
 
Yashim,

The last video, is that taken near the bridge and around Serkeki or in Canturkanan, near where she was found?. There was some discussion about the walk on Kennedy in earlier posts and it still seems confusing. Thanks
 
but if he was NOT doped when he met SS so as to make her trust him, he could not have ALSO been in a druggie delirium?


That's quite true.

OMG, How did I miss that? So sorry.

It must be because of this new Syrian stuff that I'm inhaling right now.


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I think that this clean, well presented, intelligent woman, did NOT 'have sex in a bar bathroom'' OR go to Turkey to find men.
The health risks alone would not be worth it.
This is not some femme fatale or a romance novel bimbo.
I DO think that being away from home for the first time, she chose jewellery that had sentimental value to her, to have a home- connection: she got bored in Istambul and was GOING HOME early.
RIP SS.

Plus, it wasn't her first priority to see T on her last day (or his). For her it was taking photographs. Otherwise she would have stayed around Galata, easy to be found or to arrange a later meeting. And she wouldn't have gone to a place where walking and photographing is about the only thing you can do. She died doing what she had set out to do, like her family said from day one.
 
<< lots of major cities in Europe look down on sneakers>>

I realize this is totally irrelevant to the case, but so is discus throwing, and I dislike these types of generalizations. Europeans may have disdain for those honking white trainer-type sneakers a lot of Americans sport, but just go into any shoe store in at least Western Europe and there are hundreds of sneaker choices. Watch the feet of passersby in any city like Paris or London and you'll see...sneakers!

But to get back to the case, I've been thinking about why SS chose Istanbul out of all the places she might have chosen, as a person who'd never left the country. I don't think it was random that she struck up IG friendships with Turks. Her uncle, David Jimenez, had some sort of Turkish connection, if the news reports are accurate. I think that may have been where her "connection" to Turkey commenced. So she reached out to people on IG in a country she may have had at least a bit of knowledge of to begin with. Because wouldn't the average person first think of other more obvious tourist destinations in Europe?


Discus throwing may be irrelevant, but I made it perfectly relevant. And it moved us a step further. Towards the Bosporus. :)

Anyway, I agree with you. Those are Europeans! They'll make fun of what you're doing until they themselves start doing it.

I really wish SS should have chosen a more tourist friendly country than Turkey. By tourist-friendly, I am referring to conditions that enable tourists to easily travel around and explore the city by themselves. Germany, Scandinavia, Benelux, and UK could have been better. I would't even recommend any South European country.

For longer stays, i.e. expat assignment in international company, Istanbul will certainly beat many other countries.When in Europe, an American tourist is an American tourist. When in Turkey, an American tourist is a tourist who happens to be an American.

But for a first-time, short-term (a few weeks) stay, Istanbul isn't quite ideal, especially for a female tourist with no close contacts in the city.

And Istanbul will never be at the level of Amsterdam. As more tourists come, more rural Turks migrate to Istanbul to work in Tourism industry. And they are content with little pay, so they get the jobs. And they are having an internal culture shock in Istanbul from Istanbul and an external one from tourists. So, that gives rise to some unpleasant experiences for the tourists. I doubt there are many Istanbul or big-city (Ankara, Bursa, Izmir) people working in Istanbul's tourism industry.
 
Yashim,

The last video, is that taken near the bridge and around Serkeki or in Canturkanan, near where she was found?. There was some discussion about the walk on Kennedy in earlier posts and it still seems confusing. Thanks


The very very last video that we saw her and even thought that she was carrying a bag is reasonably close to where she was found. I don't know the exact distance but there are no other places on the way there to make a stop, and a stroll along the sea can easily take you there.

But I am planning to go there one of these days.
 
The very very last video that we saw her and even thought that she was carrying a bag is reasonably close to where she was found. I don't know the exact distance but there are no other places on the way there to make a stop, and a stroll along the sea can easily take you there.

But I am planning to go there one of these days.

Suggest you leave the Syrian sniffer at home that day :seeya:
 
The very very last video that we saw her and even thought that she was carrying a bag is reasonably close to where she was found. I don't know the exact distance but there are no other places on the way there to make a stop, and a stroll along the sea can easily take you there.

But I am planning to go there one of these days.

Thanks. I still wonder why they never gave a time or place once they had these videos, or a "Has anyone seen this woman?" In the case of missing persons or even criminals being sought in the USA, it would probably have immediately gone on TV, to acquire more evidence quickly. But this whole case and the media inaccuracies and blackouts surrounding it is confounding.

I also agree with you that other European countries probably would have been a better choice. Many are more open and accepting of lone female travelers, and hostels are packed with single travelers. I know a lot of American women who have traveled to Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, London, Copenhagen, Edinburg, Madrid, etc. all by themselves and had extremely rewarding experiences. Given all the negative press, this case will in all likelihood give single women pause in terms of travelling to Istanbul, and I think other women who have traveled there and loved it will find that regrettable and unfair.
 
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