TX - 10 deceased as a result of crowd surge at Astroworld festival, Houston, 5 Nov 2021

[mickey2942]

After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush

This article is significant, because it was written in May, 2021, after another "crowd surge death incident". The sentence in this article is almost eerie, in that it predicted more events like this, due to the Pandemic, and people were in lock down for so long when they got out, the crowd had a frenetic energy.

The world needs to take heed at what occurred in Israel, which is somewhat post pandemic,” he said. “Crowd energy is going to be high, because people have been cooped up. There is a lot of pent-up energy.

“What happened in Israel is the first of events that may happen"

Wow.

 

[bears10]

What was Live Nation's role at the Astroworld event?

Their website offers tickets sales for dozens of concerts / events ranging from the very large to the far more modest.

In and of itself, the website suggests that they broker ticket sales only. This would seem to greatly limit their responsibility. Yet, another source suggests that they might also provide direct support for some events (stage construction?).

In the end, they might offer different levels of support to different venues. As a result, their level of responsibility might vary from very distant ticket sales only to more direct involvement in staging the event.

livenation isn’t just a ticket sales company. They were a promoter of the event. I’m not sure where you’re seeing that they are only a ticket sales company. You may be looking at just livenation.com. Their main company site is Home - Live Nation Entertainment

 

[La Louve]

13 Investigates: Astroworld's head of security, risk management not licensed with state

 

[Gardenista]

Not sure if this was posted

 

[La Louve]

After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush

This article is significant, because it was written in May, 2021, after another "crowd surge death incident". The sentence in this article is almost eerie, in that it predicted more events like this, due to the Pandemic, and people were in lock down for so long when they got out, the crowd had a frenetic energy.

The world needs to take heed at what occurred in Israel, which is somewhat post pandemic,” he said. “Crowd energy is going to be high, because people have been cooped up. There is a lot of pent-up energy.

“What happened in Israel is the first of events that may happen"

Wow.

Great article, thanks. I found this part striking as well (BBM)
"Israeli officials had been warned of the challenges at Mount Meron in two State Comptroller’s reports published in 2008 and 2011. Additionally, a 2016 Police report said infrastructure at the site could not safely accommodate the large number of attendees and that the mountain lacked escape routes and access roads to provide rescue in the event of an emergency.

“The problem in the crowd safety field is that we keep making the same mistakes,” Wertheimer said. “These are repeat tragedies.”

 

[mickey2942]

@Gardenista interesting clip. Quoted,"Travis Scott could not end the concert, only the producers and executive producers could make that call.".

So, the blame game starts. I wonder who these "producers" are?

INMO, people who file lawsuits, the winners are always the attorneys. Often who go for a quick settlement to get paid faster.

 

[Luna20]

OMG, in the video on this page, the witness said people at the concert were stealing shoes, Apple watches etc... that had fallen off of dead bodies.

Can this get any worse? The ripple effects are nauseating.

 

[x_files]

@Gardenista interesting clip. Quoted,"Travis Scott could not end the concert, only the producers and executive producers could make that call.".

So, the blame game starts. I wonder who these "producers" are?

INMO, people who file lawsuits, the winners are always the attorneys. Often who go for a quick settlement to get paid faster.

and if so where were they onsight?

 

[Luna20]

I would hope that anyone who does want to sue would talk to a lawyer before doing anything - don’t accept funeral payments, medical bill payments, the BS “free mental health” phone line he’s promoting, ticket refunds, or any communication from anyone in TS’s camp. It would be too easy for TS’s or LiveNation’s people to sneak in a clause that states if the person accepts the refund (or whatever) they are assumed to be compensated and waive the right to sue.

I hope TS and LiveNation are sued into the ground. This whole thing was a preventable crapshow, and his new spokesperson can sit down and be quiet. Any performer including TS can stop a show if they want to - he’s the one on stage, he’s the one with the mike, if he walks out the show is over.

I would hope everyone is using attorneys as I don’t put anything past TS and spokesmen at this point. They haven’t offered up an authentic apology or taken responsibility for his part in all of this. If he took a stand against rowdy crushing in advance I don’t think 9 lives would be lost along with the others who are still in the hospital.

Not changing after being prosecuted for his prior behavior is negligent.

 

[Marysmith]

Wow. Time for this guy to be cancelled.

This does appear to be true about Drake going to the strip club after he found out about the surge crush and deaths. Like what the hell?! Does he even care at all?! And he is limiting responses to his condolences post on Instagram that he posted days later and actually everyone involved is except Travis Scott and Kendall Jenner (who was just there with Kylie) actually.
ETA the part about Kendall.

 

[bears10]

@Gardenista interesting clip. Quoted,"Travis Scott could not end the concert, only the producers and executive producers could make that call.".

So, the blame game starts. I wonder who these "producers" are?

INMO, people who file lawsuits, the winners are always the attorneys. Often who go for a quick settlement to get paid faster.

probably live nation Jmo

 

[Marysmith]

After Meron tragedy: How to survive a crowd crush

This article is significant, because it was written in May, 2021, after another "crowd surge death incident". The sentence in this article is almost eerie, in that it predicted more events like this, due to the Pandemic, and people were in lock down for so long when they got out, the crowd had a frenetic energy.

The world needs to take heed at what occurred in Israel, which is somewhat post pandemic,” he said. “Crowd energy is going to be high, because people have been cooped up. There is a lot of pent-up energy.

“What happened in Israel is the first of events that may happen"

Wow.

Wow indeed. I never even heard of this!
IMO I do agree that the pandemic caused even more excitement at this event than usual.

 

[LietKynes]

‘I Want My Baby Back’: Texas College Student Becomes 9th Person To Die As The Result Of Astroworld Crowd Surge

“You know what is love? Bharti is love,” her mother Karishma Shanani said through tears at a press conference to announce the death, according to ABC News. “What happened to my blessing? I want my baby back. I won’t be able to live without her.”


From the same link :

However, Scott’s spokesperson, former Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, told “CBS Mornings” on Friday that Scott never realized the tragedy had occurred and said that when Scott later went to an after-party that night at Dave and Busters he had been trying to “regroup” with his team.

“They were trying to figure out what was going on. It was hours and hours after the concert when they actually found out the tragedy, how the tragedy unfolded,” she said. “And he has not stopped grieving for these families.”
She also shot down the idea that Scott could have halted the festival himself, calling the suggestion “ludicrous.”

"They have a 59-page operations plan, and it clearly says the only two people that are, have the authority to stop the concert, were the executive producer and the concert producer,” she said. “He was not responsible for this..."

Emphasis mine


I strongly disagree with S. Rawlings-Blake.
S.R-B's words are ludicrous.

This was Travis' show.

He could have stopped singing and had the display halted.
TS does bear some responsibility for these deaths.

All he had to do was to ask people to step back and give other people space ; and to say the show would not continue until order was restored.

If he had done that, Bharti and the others would be alive today.
Think about it, a few simple words and actions by Travis Scott, and no one would be dead.

This was an audience who had already paid for their tickets, and TS had their money.
So, stopping the concert would not have lost TS any revenue -- if that was his main worry ?
Idk.


Different performers such as Lady Gaga and Pink have shut down mid-song and stopped the lightshow to address fan's behavior.
They didn't resume until the fans' stopped what they were doing.

Pink Stops Her Concert Mid-Song To Comfort Crying Fan And Stop Fight (VIDEO) | HuffPost UK Entertainment

Pink stops concert to give crying girl a treat

Harry Styles, Lady Gaga, and More Singers Who Stopped Performing Midshow to Help Fans

MOO.

 

[mickey2942]

Wow indeed. I never even heard of this!
IMO I do agree that the pandemic caused even more excitement at this event than usual.

I completely believe it. I have seen some crazy stuff happening. Stay home, hunker down.

 

[x_files]

Agreed. A million dollars could have helped out some of the victims greatly!
Drake is cancelled to me that’s for sure.

I watched Drake's newest video with Travis Scott and was creeped out by the vibe. Standing outside a woman's home with a knife, bizarre.
I'm not sure how Drake is gonna explain his strip club outing AFTER he learned of fans trampled to death.

 

[Marysmith]

I watched Drake's newest video with Travis Scott and was creeped out by the vibe. Standing outside a woman's home with a knife, bizarre.
I'm not sure how Drake is gonna explain his strip club outing AFTER he learned of fans trampled to death.

He’ll probably never have to answer for it in any real way honestly. :/

 

[LietKynes]

I watched Drake's newest video with Travis Scott and was creeped out by the vibe. Standing outside a woman's home with a knife, bizarre.
I'm not sure how Drake is gonna explain his strip club outing AFTER he learned of fans trampled to death.

bbm

Where is his conscience ?


Imo.

 

[Skigh]

Drake went to a STRIP CLUB for a private party a day after his deadly Astroworld concert | Daily Mail Online

 

[Arkay]

This was Travis' show.

He could have stopped singing and had the display halted.
TS does bear some responsibility for these deaths.

All he had to do was to ask people to step back and give other people space ; and to say the show would not continue until order was restored.

So true. I've posted several times that IMO he was the king and could have announced that the show was over unless they would settle down. But settling down a crowd seems the antithesis of his stagecraft, based on what we've learned about his prior performances. Arrested more than once for inciting the crowd and urging his fans to break through the gates and to get ever wilder? This is not a surprise.

What IS stunning to me is his spokesperson acting like Travis was not empowered to end the show, and only the producer could do that. How ridiculous! Travis Scott does not strike me as meek and mild and easily intimidated. If he was afraid the crowd would boo him or demand refunds, he really just needed to restore the safety in the crowd and then he could have resumed, IMO.

He had the stage, the mic; he was the focal point. Get on the mic and inform the crowd of what was happening and refuse to sing or dance or continue the music until it was safe.

When I was a new teacher, a veteran teacher taught me that when a given class (I taught 8th grade) was rowdy, the way to restore control of the classroom was NOT to yell, but instead to go silent. Very quickly the noise level would drop and the kids would shush each other, wondering why I was silent. That worked beautifully for my entire career. I wonder if Travis had just gone absolutely silent and rooted to one spot, if the crowd would've quickly gone silent, as well. Then when he had their undivided attention, he could have explained what was happening. I don't know because time was of the essence, and in a classroom it was not literal life or death.

He made the wrong choices, though; that is clear.

 

[x_files]

He’ll probably never have to answer for it in any real way honestly. :/

I fear you are correct.