TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

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What is whack is that there are people who would seek to rent it and very likely the apartment management will eventually offer it for rent.

I don't know how his apartment can be leased out, even if the lease is automatically terminated. At least have to wait till investigation has officially been completed.
 
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Maybe his laptop was broken, maybe not and maybe that is just one of many dubious smoke screens put out there among volumes of conflicting public records and stories leaked from undisclosed sources allegedly involved with this farcical appearing investigation that likely will go no further than the manslaughter arrest 3 days after he was murdered.

Many people everywhere watch "TV" using online streaming apps to their smart TV hooked up to internet via WiFi or even ethernet. Very traceable.

I may review that video of Meritt inside 1478 and see if it shows the TV. It's size matters if it were on (level of radiated light) and it may be able to be identified as a smart tv.

From the look of things now, his laptop must have been broken when he dropped it as he was shot:(

How do the locals watch the football in Dallas? Cable TV?
 
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Texas appears to be ready to set solid precedent for creating yet another outrageous wrongful death affirmative defense, "Copfluenza".

Cops are trained to kill and a 13.5 hour workday for them is like 500 hours straight with no sleep for the mere mortals that can't be expected to understand.

After all, after that completely exhausting 13.5 hour shift, all should be amazed she could drive and walk, much less defend herself against an intruder without any hesitation. Obviously amazing training made her do the right thing and the calling for back-up thing was never more than a casual suggestion that some pesky legal requirement had the academy include in the course.

Right in line with their accepting "Affluenza" a$ a valid affirmative defen$e.
 
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JJ linked that article earlier and my opinion hasn't changed.


What do you think?

The article seems to suggest that the police think the witnesses who said that they heard her knocking on his door and saying "let me in' are less credible than another neighbor who told the police he didn't hear that. hmmmmm
 
Oh yeah we all believe the fact somebody else DIDN'T HEAR a brief and fleeting intrusion into the evening sound waves should easily over-ride the fact another person DID HAPPEN TO HEAR IT.


Please tell me the scathing sarcasm of my post isn't wasted.

The article seems to suggest that the police think the witnesses who said that they heard her knocking on his door and saying "let me in' are less credible than another neighbor who told the police he didn't hear that. hmmmmm
 
This is about bond hearings in Texas where it really should be a simple matter upon being booked, your bail determined on the spot without ever being caged.

The girl was sassy and goofy.


After watching video of bond hearing:

1) They don't play around in Texas. This is pretty much how offical "officaldom" is welded in Texas. You DON'T dare show disrespect to their "authoritay"!

2) I think that the hearing officer was an auctioneer in a previous life...your bail is now $2,000!

JIMOO!
 
The problem is that somebody NOT hearing a sound or words they were NOT attentively listening for is much more likely than somebody not hearing what they heard.

I heard her not knock on the door and not demand to be let in, therefore she didn't knock or demand to be let in no matter what those other people actually heard.

Odd, I don't recall this allegedly credible unhearing witness state he heard her barking commands to Mr. Jean. Did anyone else?


Ridiculous.

 
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The way that scene is described it really suggests to me that when she entered the apartment the light was ON and after she shot him she turned it off or lied about it being off to help her narrative of confusion.

I find watching football in the dark kind of unusual, and I find eating potentially messy food such as cereal and milk right next to your laptop (if he was on his couch he might have to literally stand the cereal bowl ON his laptop) in the dark--even with the light of the tv/laptop--to be very unusual.

It's absolutely possible that he was in fact doing both of those things, but that scene is strange enough that it definitely gives me pause.

Haha .... you would probably think I am strange then. I have always had a problem with bright lights and in the evenings when all is quiet and hubby goes off to bed earlier than me I never turn lights on. The illumination from my ipad and TV are adequate ... and I could easily eat a bowl of cereal by it. I'm pretty confident he and I are not the only people who like the darkness.

Oh yeah we all believe the fact somebody else DIDN'T HEAR a brief and fleeting intrusion into the evening sound waves should easily over-ride the fact another person DID HAPPEN TO HEAR IT.


Please tell me the scathing sarcasm of my post isn't wasted.

It's not lost on me.
Our neighbors are noisy in the evenings and we've gotten used to the ones next door being loud and rowdy at times, in their driveway which is right next to our house. And another who works on cars late at night. If you asked me what I heard, I probably would not have noticed either of them. But I bet other neighbors can tell you exactly what was said, or what the mechanic was doing.
 
The problem is that somebody NOT hearing a sound or words they were NOT attentively listening for is much more likely than somebody not hearing what they heard.

I heard her not knock on the door and not demand to be let in, therefore she didn't say it no matter what those other people actually heard.

Ridiculous.
Hmmm
And then there's me who thinks it's ridiculous that she would think there was someone in her apt, stand at the door and knock, and say "Let me in".

If I was outside my home and thought there was someone in it, the last place I'd want to be is in my home. I'd be glad I WASN'T in it.

And who would ever think that a burglar in your home would answer the door, if you knocked on it, and said "Let me in"? I've never heard of a burglar answering the door.

I think it was the same witness who claimed she heard him say what were probably his last words: "Why did you do this to me"

With a GSW to his chest he was able to speak? And speak loud enough for a neighbor to hear what he said?

All of that is highly questionable to me. JMO
 
Reasonably, it is MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT that SOMEBODY HEARD SOMETHING prior to the gun being fired twice. According to her story, she barked commands of which Mr. Jean (RIP) simply did not comply (it was very dark but yet she could tell he wasn't complying) and she hasn't appeared to state he came at her. Yet I've not seen any resident accounts claiming they hear her barking commands.

I can't say I've ever seen a cop with gun drawn ready to kill QUIETLY give commands to their soon to be victim.

I can just see DPD or a Ranger getting this unhearing witness over to the side and asking, "you really didn't hear anyone knocking on his door demanding to be let in, did ya?" Presented with a very stern "means business" type of posture or a couple winks.

Hmmm
And then there's me who thinks it's ridiculous that she would think there was someone in her apt, stand at the door and knock, and say "Let me in".

If I was outside my home and thought there was someone in it, the last place I'd want to be is in my home. I'd be glad I WASN'T in it.

And who would ever think that a burglar in your home would answer the door, if you knocked on it, and said "Let me in"? I've never heard of a burglar answering the door.

I think it was the same witness who claimed she heard him say what were probably his last words: "Why did you do this to me"

With a GSW to his chest he was able to speak? And speak loud enough for a neighbor to hear what he said?

All of that is highly questionable to me. JMO
 
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Reasonably, it is MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT that SOMEBODY HEARD SOMETHING prior to the gun being fired twice. According to her story, she barked commands of which Mr. Jean (RIP) did not comply and she hasn't appeared to state he came at her. Yet I've not seen any resident accounts claiming they hear her barking commands.

I can't say I've ever seen a cop with gun drawn ready to kill QUIETLY give commands to their soon to be victim.

I can just see DPD or a Ranger getting this unhearing witness over to the side and asking, "you really didn't hear anyone knocking on his door demanding to be let in, did ya?" Presented with a very stern "means business" type of posture or a couple winks.
I don't believe the 'commands' story either. It would have been loud enough that many people would have heard it.
 
Haha .... you would probably think I am strange then. I have always had a problem with bright lights and in the evenings when all is quiet and hubby goes off to bed earlier than me I never turn lights on. The illumination from my ipad and TV are adequate ... and I could easily eat a bowl of cereal by it. I'm pretty confident he and I are not the only people who like the darkness.

If you are strange, then so am I! I have never understood why people want lights on when they watch tv? If you go to a movie they don't make you sit with lights on. And people do manage to eat popcorn, nachos, hotdogs, etc, with only the light from the movie screen. I sit in the dark and watch tv (and yes...it baffles my hubby, LOL). I eat cereal, popcorn, mac and cheese, really just anything...with my phone and /or tablet and /or laptop right there. I really find nothing at all unusual about all of that at all.
 
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I am surprised by the fact that a majority of the people that I brought up this case to at work, in line at the grocery store ect said the same thing basically.
The words “I think of my child”, “I think of my brother or sister”.
I never said them that I had thought that could have been my son before they offered their reply.

They are all truly disturbed and disgusted that this even took place, especially by an individual that was chosen to be a member of an “Elite” force. I was asked by more than a few how she ended up being the chosen one.

No answer from me due to the fact that I wonder the same.

One gentleman stated that his teen son is a hair over 6 feet tall. He stated that he is sure his son would have been shell shocked if he was relaxed at home watching tv in the dark, not expecting anyone at all and a person in the blink of an eye, opened the door, barked orders in the dark and then shot him as he approached to see what the hell was happening at that moment, not having any time to register what was happening in his own home.
He said he would fight until the day he died to ensure that the self induced mind altered woman was removed from society for her natural life.
I had goosebumps when he spoke. He spoke to me as if Botham were his own son. He was very emotional. That gentleman was one that I spoke to in line at the grocery store. He touched me the most. I had never heard the words “self induced mind altered woman” before.

So with that, is there anyone else here that thinks of their own child, relative or friend when they think of Botham?
yes , I worry every time my husband daughter and I are out , I worry about getting pulled over and I worry for no reason other than I think my family sticks out and we have been treated badly by some LE ( Biracial family ) but yes it scares me all the way around ....just sayin ...now on that note where do you live because my co workers are generally on her side which scares me again EEKS!!!
 
She probably had multiple recording capable devices on her person, certainly at least one phone likely DPD issue and maybe a personal phone, both of which would be quite capble or recording.

You can bet any recording devices she had on her person, possibly including DPD issued devices for that specific purpose to go along with her gun, uniform and ballistic vest...... not left at the station per employee guidelines, were turned OFF.

I sure wish AG had a body camera and mic on at the time she went into the wrong apartment.
 
yes , I worry every time my husband daughter and I are out , I worry about getting pulled over and I worry for no reason other than I think my family sticks out and we have been treated badly by some LE ( Biracial family ) but yes it scares me all the way around ....just sayin ...now on that note where do you live because my co workers are generally on her side which scares me again EEKS!!!
My experience upon discussing this case with other people has been that those who are on her 'side', are unaware of the basic facts. An example: One person said to me: "What would you do if you were in what you thought was your home and all of a sudden, you saw someone in it? He was a large man and she's a petite woman" The impression that she was IN what she thought was her apt when this happened, is a huge misconception.
 
The question those who have that position really need to honestly ask themselves is:

WOULD IT BE REASONABLE FOR YOU TO BE IN ANOTHER PERSON'S HOME AND TRULY BELIEVE IT WAS YOUR OWN TO THE POINT YOU KNEW YOU WERE RIGHT TO KILL THE ACTUAL OWNER BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR MIND AND BELIEVED THE OWNER WAS AN INTRUDER?

NOPE, nothing reasonable about one believing that and one that does truly needs EXTENSIVE mental health treatment, like 30 years to life in jail, as they are not in control of their faculties, which are clearly detached from the same realities we all contend with each and every day without "accidentally fatigue murdering" people.

My experience upon discussing this case with other people has been that those who are on her 'side', are unaware of the basic facts. An example: One person said to me: "What would you do if you were in what you thought was your home and all of a sudden, you saw someone in it? He was a large man and she's a petite woman" The impression that she was IN what she thought was her apt when this happened, is a huge misconception.
 
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