TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[badgersmythe]

They will for sure know by now if there was any trace of drink or drugs in her system.

 

[Jennifer17]

The marijuana MAY BE significant in many ways, like why he did not engage verbally with AG (which MAY have prevented this tragedy). Or why he forgot (?) to secure his door. Reports indicate the pot was out in the open. Was he startled by the sudden appearance of a police officer when the pot was out? The idea that pot makes you mellow is not always true. I've heard of very violent crimes being committed under its influence. Does Price Waterhouse have a zero toleration policy? His reputation may have been on the line. AG's negligence is still core to the case, but to dismiss the dope as "victim blaming" is doing great disservice to the cause of fully understanding why this tragedy occurred.

I those people whom you speak of who committed violent crimes while on pot, were lying about what they were on or their motives.

 

[La1959]

In the post above can you see it?

I can't see enough detail on my phone. Will try to look at it on a computer tomorrow. I did see what looked like a beer bottle and possibly a prescription bottle. One thing that I didn't see is blood.

 

[DatelineFan]

The marijuana MAY BE significant in many ways, like why he did not engage verbally with AG (which MAY have prevented this tragedy). Or why he forgot (?) to secure his door. Reports indicate the pot was out in the open. Was he startled by the sudden appearance of a police officer when the pot was out? The idea that pot makes you mellow is not always true. I've heard of very violent crimes being committed under its influence. Does Price Waterhouse have a zero toleration policy? His reputation may have been on the line. AG's negligence is still core to the case, but to dismiss the dope as "victim blaming" is doing great disservice to the cause of fully understanding why this tragedy occurred.

He was startled by the police officer who murdered him because she didn't belong in his home. She broke into his home. She unlawfully entered his home. He did not have an obligation to engage verbally with anyone who unlawfully entered his home, but he did ask her why she shot him.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

The marijuana MAY BE significant in many ways, like why he did not engage verbally with AG (which MAY have prevented this tragedy). Or why he forgot (?) to secure his door. Reports indicate the pot was out in the open. Was he startled by the sudden appearance of a police officer when the pot was out? The idea that pot makes you mellow is not always true. I've heard of very violent crimes being committed under its influence. Does Price Waterhouse have a zero toleration policy? His reputation may have been on the line. AG's negligence is still core to the case, but to dismiss the dope as "victim blaming" is doing great disservice to the cause of fully understanding why this tragedy occurred.

It happened because of a cop with an itchy trigger finger. It happened because like every gun toting cop, they f-f-f-f-feared for their life. What comes next is happening because that's what every cop in this position does. Make excuses for their actions. For them, thoughts & prayers are enough to get them over feeling bad that someone died. Then it's time for self preservation. Time to rally all the fellow cop troops.

He was in his apartment, minding his own business when the cop MURDERED him. ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING SO. Police wonder why people like me call them names resembling pork products. It's not only a result of cases like this one, but because they all rally behind their own, instead of being impartial and critical of bad cops like this one, who should not be on the force, nor allowed to carry a firearm.

 

[Jennifer17]

It happened because of a cop with an itchy trigger finger. It happened because like every gun toting cop, they f-f-f-f-feared for their life. What comes next is happening because that's what every cop in this position does. Make excuses for their actions. For them, thoughts & prayers are enough to get them over feeling bad that someone died. Then it's time for self preservation. Time to rally all the fellow cop troops.

He was in his apartment, minding his own business when the cop MURDERED him. ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING SO. Police wonder why people like me call them names resembling pork products. It's not only a result of cases like this one, but because they all rally behind their own, instead of being impartial and critical of bad cops like this one, who should not be on the force, nor allowed to carry a firearm.

I live in another country and our police do not act like that. When they are off duty, they are just civilians like the rest of us. They do not get to take their police issued guns home and they keep their uniforms at work which are laundered and ironed and hanging with their names on them.
They do not take their bullet proof vests home or backpacks with police papers in them.
The US is sounding more and more like a police state.

 

[scarlettbones]

I can't see enough detail on my phone. Will try to look at it on a computer tomorrow. I did see what looked like a beer bottle and possibly a prescription bottle. One thing that I didn't see is blood.

??? Where? I didn't see any beer bottles or prescriptions. There are candles, lotion and a water bottle on the red end table to the right, a book and bowl of cereal on the ottoman, and some odds and ends & lamp on the far left end table.

moo.

 

[Jax49]

Tears for herself.

I'm curious if she shed a single tear for the man she killed?

 

[MsFacetious]

I am so afraid she is going to get away with this.
I don't believe that they ever DID search her apartment.
I don't believe we will ever see returns on that search because I don't think it happened.
It would have been nice. Maybe there was a cold drink or a hot meal sitting there.
Something that would have proven she went back there before going to his apartment.

A somewhat similar case occurred in my home town years ago; here's a link to a New York Times opinion column about it:
<snip> Here was a man who was on his own premises, minding his own business, violating no law whatsoever, and suddenly he is dead at the hands of the police. If this doesn't strike you as an incredible outrage, imagine that you and your family are quietly watching television and a cop comes into your living room and, without opening his mouth, kills one of you. No difference. <snip>
Killer Cop

WOW.

 

[katsrfun]

I those people whom you speak of who committed violent crimes while on pot, were lying about what they were on or their motives.

Hi, all. What a horrible crime. In regards, I know myself that I can't smoke it without becoming "crazy" in my own words. I get very paranoid, and afraid everyone is looking at me. I sometimes hallucinate. However, even at all that I never once thought of harming anyone or myself. I once was in the car with my boyfriend and suddenly thought he was the devil literally, and wanted to jump out of the car on an interstate going 75 mph. I have nothing against anyone else smoking pot, and members of my family, in fact do, some quite a bit. I have only seen people get mellow, and not looking for any kind of conflict. I only learned pot was not for me, quite quickly I might add. However, my experience is quite unusual and I never had any aggressive feelings, even when I thought he was the devil. I just wanted to get away. I think that if the victim was in fact using pot, it isn't indicative of anything. He was a man in his own home, probably relaxing, poor guy, with not a clue about what was to come. MOO. Thanks, Katt

 

[Jax49]

A somewhat similar case occurred in my home town years ago; here's a link to a New York Times opinion column about it:
<snip> Here was a man who was on his own premises, minding his own business, violating no law whatsoever, and suddenly he is dead at the hands of the police. If this doesn't strike you as an incredible outrage, imagine that you and your family are quietly watching television and a cop comes into your living room and, without opening his mouth, kills one of you. No difference. <snip>
Killer Cop

From your 1997 link:

The concerns faced by Iowa City residents upset by the shooting are the same as those faced in communities across the country when improper police behavior occurs. If no serious action is taken, if no one is held accountable, then the belief grows in the minds of residents and, more important, in the minds of police officers that a badge and a gun confer upon the police the freedom to behave irresponsibly, wantonly, even murderously.

Sad and scary it has only gotten worse, not better. bbm

imo

 

[Via Marple]

And if he was smoking at the time
The smell should’ve told her she was in the wrong apartment

... Unless her apartment smells the same way.

Search Warrant Details What Investigators Seized From Botham Jean's Apartment

Can anyone see that there is a shot of AG's door? There is a rather tall pot plant on the left. And of course the doormat is totally different.

I think you're probably right!!

The silhouette story is just that---a story.

Why won't they say where in the apt the body was found? That would clear up a lot of this.

The same anonymous PD leaker on Thursday said that BJ was found 12-15 feet inside the doorway. No blood around the doorway. I would agree that he might be at the door, then retreated a few steps still facing the door and the shooter, before falling back when shot.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm curious if she shed a single tear for the man she killed?

No.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

So how do you explain one story on the search warrant and another story on the affidavit?

Mic drop!

 

[Jennifer17]

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Is there anyone here that just wants to sleuth the case and discuss its merits instead of turning this thread into a cop-bashing forum?????

Yeah? So now you want to sleuth the case?

 

[Gigglingtoes]

That search warrant swornout by Detective Arredondo where it is stated he met her at the door was based on the fact she personally was involved in the investigation and you can bet that is the story Guyger gave her that night.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4878230/Affidavit-to-search-Botham-Jean-s-apartment.pdf

read section 4 then 5, Detective Arredono didn't make that story up

And THAT says she was “confronted” by Mr Jean. Interesting!!

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Watch surveillance video of an emotional Amber Guyger being booked into the Kaufman County Jail on Sunday, three days after she fatally shot Botham Jean in his apartment.

MORE: wfaa.com/bothamjean

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=454531245036793

A little sniffle and that’s “bout it. She was out in an hour or less.

 

[Jennifer17]

I am so afraid she is going to get away with this.
I don't believe that they ever DID search her apartment.
I don't believe we will ever see returns on that search because I don't think it happened.
It would have been nice. Maybe there was a cold drink or a hot meal sitting there.
Something that would have proven she went back there before going to his apartment.

Holy moley.

WOW.

 

[Via Marple]

In 1973 the law was amended to declare possession of four ounces or less a misdemeanor.[8][9]

Cannabis in Texas - Wikipedia

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I believe the parking structure has cameras at the apartment.