TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[Jax49]

My bad, I thought she lived below him.

That's what I'd heard reported. She was directly below his apartment. moo

 

[TexLil]

Attorney just said that he has no evidence of a prior relationship.

 

[Jennifer17]

He said there is no evidence that they knew each other previously.

I just can't think of anything else that would prove that she didn't just stumble to the wrong apartment.

 

[scarlettbones]

Yes. Though, that footage is about the time he was transported so there were other officers there as well. What's been reported is that no first aid was given until others arrived. So she doesn't appear to have given any first aid herself.

I wonder who she was on the phone with? Was she with 911 the entire time? Wouldn't they tell her how to administer first aid or to wait for paramedics?

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder who she was on the phone with? Was she with 911 the entire time? Wouldn't they tell her how to administer first aid or to wait for paramedics?

As a Police Officer she should know that.

 

[Rocco]

I wonder who she was on the phone with? Was she with 911 the entire time? Wouldn't they tell her how to administer first aid or to wait for paramedics?

They would not have told her to wait for paramedics. She should have done her best to stop the bleeding and start CPR immediately.

 

[TexLil]

Just a possible idea imo based on statement at beginning of press conference regarding new evidence from new witness. Prehaps officer confided something in a friend after shooting and that friend has gone to attorneys?

 

[luvhockey]

I wonder who she was on the phone with? Was she with 911 the entire time? Wouldn't they tell her how to administer first aid or to wait for paramedics?

Right, she is seen in the video walking back and forth. Now the video wasn't on the whole time. It's actually 2 videos. The first she is on the phone walking away and then back on the phone. Then you see emt people and police wheeling the gurney away and someone doing cpr. No idea what happened inbetween

 

[Eclipse]

I just can't think of anything else that would prove that she didn't just stumble to the wrong apartment.

I know. What could a witness provide that would change the course of the case?

 

[Jennifer17]

Just a possible idea imo based on statement at beginning of press conference regarding new evidence from new witness. Prehaps officer confided something in a friend after shooting and that friend has gone to attorneys?

I thought that it may have been someone who witnessed her drinking, but if she was drunk, it would make it more likely that she would stumble to the wrong apartment.

 

[Jennifer17]

That's what I'd heard reported. She was directly below his apartment. moo

I may well be wrong. It has happened before.

 

[Rocco]

I know. What could a witness provide that would change the course of the case?

I hope it's a RELIABLE witness. Not someone coming forward 3 days later to inject themselves into the case.

 

[mickey2942]

I agree with the premise, either she is charged as a citizen, who committed a homicide, or she is considered a law officer whose actions are being investigated as an official action.

A citizen would have been charged by this time, not being at home.

If she is being considered a law officer, then, the City is responsible for her actions.
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Interesting. I completely agree. And this may have ramifications for future.

 

[Eclipse]

I thought that it may have been someone who witnessed her drinking, but if she was drunk, it would make it more likely that she would stumble to the wrong apartment.

Yes- "change the course of the case" makes it sounds like something more ominous- something that could cause more serious legal charges. Being drunk or on drugs might bring more separate charges - public intoxication, illegal drugs in system, but I don't think it would take the manslaughter charges into a higher charge.

 

[Rocco]

I thought that it may have been someone who witnessed her drinking, but if she was drunk, it would make it more likely that she would stumble to the wrong apartment.

If we knew what time this shooting took place, we might have a better idea as to how much time she had from the time she got off work until the time it happened and if she had time to have a few drinks. Why isn't anyone giving out a timeline?

 

[Jax49]

Did they indicate they were surprised the DA didn't have the info already? Not sure if I misunderstood.

 

[jiminy]

Yes. Though, that footage is about the time he was transported so there were other officers there as well. What's been reported is that no first aid was given until others arrived. So she doesn't appear to have given any first aid herself.

It seems so cold to me. I can't imagine shooting anyone period but I like to think I'd either be totally frozen in shock or trying to make sure I'd not killed him.

 

[Eclipse]

If we knew what time this shooting took place, we might have a better idea as to how much time she had from the time she got off work until the time it happened and if she had time to have a few drinks. Why isn't anyone giving out a timeline?

I believe I read it was at 10 p.m. in a link a few pages back.

 

[Eclipse]

I believe I read it was at 10 p.m. in a link a few pages back.

In this link:

Attorney says new evidence emerges in death of man killed by off-duty Dallas police officer

 

[Rocco]

I believe I read it was at 10 p.m. in a link a few pages back.

If it was at 10pm, what time did she get off of work? (If you or anyone else knows)