TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #4

[doris5]

I am stuck on bleach in the womb. I know the OP meant wound but that was the first post I saw today and I can't get that thought out of my mind. YIKES!

Back to business. I read but have not commented on this thread in a long time. Just so good that strangers who don't even know Brandon or his family care enough to give this their time and energy. Justice will come, Brandon, it will...

This case definitely captures people's attention. Sadly the thing that makes it intriguing (the 9-1-1 call) is the biggest false lead. I spent a long time trying to decipher the call and its mysteries, only to realise now that it may not even be his voice we're hearing.

If he was murdered by people close to him, that needs to be exposed. LE need to renew interest in this case!


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[folieadeuxnola]

I am stuck on bleach in the womb. I know the OP meant wound but that was the first post I saw today and I can't get that thought out of my mind. YIKES!

Back to business. I read but have not commented on this thread in a long time. Just so good that strangers who don't even know Brandon or his family care enough to give this their time and energy. Justice will come, Brandon, it will...

oopppsiess. For whatever the reason I have serious typo issues when on my ipad .... Sounds like im talking ebonics at times

 

[nannymo]

Follow the 401k line as one possible motive... Still feel there is good possibility of drug trafficking activity etc..

What concerns me about the 401K check.......It takes some time and paperwork after you leave a job to get a 401K check. Also, how long had he worked at the place he was getting the 401K check from? Most 401K Plans have their employees vested. e.g. you are only eligible to participate after 12 months or so of employment. Then you and your employer (sometimes just the employer) put money into the account. After another year you are only vested (or entitled to ) 20% of the account....40% after 2 years and so on until you are 100% vested.

Then if you take that money out early you have to pay a 25%penalty on that money.

What I am getting at is I don't think BL worked at his place of employment long enough to have much money. They had not lived in San Angelo over a couple of years, so how could that job get him a very large 401K check? I don't know what their financial situation was, but I would guess with a child by a previous relationship he had a child support payment. Then he had 3? kids with LL. I think she commented she didn't work because of the cost of daycare (but not positive about that).....

I know the oilfield pays good, but I would be willing to bet they spent most of what they made. I just can't put my mind around a 401K check amounting to very much money at his age and work history.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

What concerns me about the 401K check.......It takes some time and paperwork after you leave a job to get a 401K check. Also, how long had he worked at the place he was getting the 401K check from? Most 401K Plans have their employees vested. e.g. you are only eligible to participate after 12 months or so of employment. Then you and your employer (sometimes just the employer) put money into the account. After another year you are only vested (or entitled to ) 20% of the account....40% after 2 years and so on until you are 100% vested.

Then if you take that money out early you have to pay a 25%penalty on that money.

What I am getting at is I don't think BL worked at his place of employment long enough to have much money. They had not lived in San Angelo over a couple of years, so how could that job get him a very large 401K check? I don't know what their financial situation was, but I would guess with a child by a previous relationship he had a child support payment. Then he had 3? kids with LL. I think she commented she didn't work because of the cost of daycare (but not positive about that).....

I know the oilfield pays good, but I would be willing to bet they spent most of what they made. I just can't put my mind around a 401K check amounting to very much money at his age and work history.

What concerns me about the 401K check.......It takes some time and paperwork after you leave a job to get a 401K check. Also, how long had he worked at the place he was getting the 401K check from? Most 401K Plans have their employees vested. e.g. you are only eligible to participate after 12 months or so of employment. Then you and your employer (sometimes just the employer) put money into the account. After another year you are only vested (or entitled to ) 20% of the account....40% after 2 years and so on until you are 100% vested.

Then if you take that money out early you have to pay a 25%penalty on that money.

What I am getting at is I don't think BL worked at his place of employment long enough to have much money. They had not lived in San Angelo over a couple of years, so how could that job get him a very large 401K check? I don't know what their financial situation was, but I would guess with a child by a previous relationship he had a child support payment. Then he had 3? kids with LL. I think she commented she didn't work because of the cost of daycare (but not positive about that).....

I know the oilfield pays good, but I would be willing to bet they spent most of what they made. I just can't put my mind around a 401K check amounting to very much money at his age and work history.

glad to see ya in here nannymo .... Each employer is different, have worked in the big oil industry for some 20 Years
Majority follow the 5 year vested there are some that are 100% vested at the start and contributions can began 90
Days afte initial date of employment. Recently talked to one of my 401k providers if I wanted to roll over or cash out i
Could have a check in a couple of weeks. taxes and penalties on average 40%, not worth it IMO unless your very desperate for cash wether it was large or small. Recalling from memory believe it was commeNted that BL had been with the company a couple of years. Want to say the same week he went missing BL had given notice and had taken a drug test to start work the following week.

I could forsee not working due to the cost of daycare, have several friends that ledt the professional work force to stay home with kids. A few went back to work when they were old enough to be in school after school care was not as costly as all day care.

Nowadays the cost of raising one child is astronomical muchless raising 4 on a single income.

This case gets to my head .... an answer and closure it is so close yet so far away ...

Have you come up with possible motives?

 

[SavetheQueen]

glad to see ya in here nannymo .... Each employer is different, have worked in the big oil industry for some 20 Years
Majority follow the 5 year vested there are some that are 100% vested at the start and contributions can began 90
Days afte initial date of employment. Recently talked to one of my 401k providers if I wanted to roll over or cash out i
Could have a check in a couple of weeks. taxes and penalties on average 40%, not worth it IMO unless your very desperate for cash wether it was large or small. Recalling from memory believe it was commeNted that BL had been with the company a couple of years. Want to say the same week he went missing BL had given notice and had taken a drug test to start work the following week.

I could forsee not working due to the cost of daycare, have several friends that ledt the professional work force to stay home with kids. A few went back to work when they were old enough to be in school after school care was not as costly as all day care.

Nowadays the cost of raising one child is astronomical muchless raising 4 on a single income.

This case gets to my head .... an answer and closure it is so close yet so far away ...

Have you come up with possible motives?

With my employer, oilfield, I contributed the minimum amount, starting my first check. Laid off during the downturn after 10 months, and cashed out my 401k. It took a week roughly to get the check after doing everything electronicly. Taxes taken out were $92.00. My check was for $412.00. Not sure how a lot of that works, but mine was recent. BL was working during boom time, and money was pouring from the ground. Renegade, his employer, has an excellent investment program. One can speculate that his was considerably larger than mine was is my point. But "a lot of money" is relative to each person and each situation. My $400.00 was a lifesaver for my family at the time.

*All opinions are totally my own. *

 

[nannymo]

glad to see ya in here nannymo .... Each employer is different, have worked in the big oil industry for some 20 Years
Majority follow the 5 year vested there are some that are 100% vested at the start and contributions can began 90
Days afte initial date of employment. Recently talked to one of my 401k providers if I wanted to roll over or cash out i
Could have a check in a couple of weeks. taxes and penalties on average 40%, not worth it IMO unless your very desperate for cash wether it was large or small. Recalling from memory believe it was commeNted that BL had been with the company a couple of years. Want to say the same week he went missing BL had given notice and had taken a drug test to start work the following week.

I could forsee not working due to the cost of daycare, have several friends that ledt the professional work force to stay home with kids. A few went back to work when they were old enough to be in school after school care was not as costly as all day care.

Nowadays the cost of raising one child is astronomical muchless raising 4 on a single income.

This case gets to my head .... an answer and closure it is so close yet so far away ...

Have you come up with possible motives?

I don't suspect family myself. I am of the opinion BL went to Bronte for a drug purchase and it went bad. I do believe he ran out of gas.

I've made that trip many times. If he was heading to Ft worth to his Dad's house, I think he would not leave San Angelo without checking his gas. If I'm headed for Bronte I might not even think about it. That is what makes me feel he wasn't planning on going very far.

Since I am familiar with those surroundings I am trying to think simple like what would I do?

Iirc LE investigated the Walmart rumor and dismissed it as happening. Still doesn't mean it didn't happen. I think he didn't leave San Angelo immediately. I am pretty sure they lived just off the loop on the north side of SA. He could have been out of town in less than 5 minutes and should have been in Bronte within 30 minutes at the most.

 

[TooCurious]

Could someone please explain "rocks in the garden"? I have been following a long time but the Wal Mart incident and the rocks in the garden are two totally new elements I have not heard of before.

 

[Valiant]

Depending on how the check was issued here may have been a small amount or even no withholdings on a 401k withdrawal.
It is taxed at the regular tax rate plus a 10% penalty at tax time, but the withholdings are often less than the tax due. Living so paycheck to paycheck to not even have gas money in their pockets, even $1000 would be a pretty big deal.

 

[doris5]

Depending on how the check was issued here may have been a small amount or even no withholdings on a 401k withdrawal.
It is taxed at the regular tax rate plus a 10% penalty at tax time, but the withholdings are often less than the tax due. Living so paycheck to paycheck to not even have gas money in their pockets, even $1000 would be a pretty big deal.

It's a moot point supposedly. The money was only available once Brandon had signed paperwork, but by the time it arrived Brandon was gone. So the money could never be claimed. Apparently.

As for the rocks: supposedly a pile of rocks appeared on the property the night of Brandon's disappearance. Can someone explain this more? It seems like a huge lead potentially.

And can anyone tell us more about Kyle?


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[nannymo]

Does anyone have a link to the rocks in the drive? I feel I have read a lot about Brandon and I have never heard about that. Where did that come from?

 

[SavetheQueen]

Just WOW. 😮 If you pull up the address that BL lived at on Google Street View, you see a Renegade Services gang truck parked on the side, Brandon's truck, and Ladessa's van parked in the front. *chills*

 

[ChuckieD]

Yes I think we can strike the Walmart incident from the records. Always seemed like BS to me.

Motive? The 401k and her public pleas for employment, as well as her later fraud charge, would suggest she had a financial motive. Her mishandling of donations to the find Brandon cause also suggest a mercenary character. But I don't believe that's the full story.

What would kyles motive be to off his brother, out of interest? Purely hypothetically of course. But as he and LL were supposedly the last to be in contact with BL, let's pursue this angle and consider the possibilities...



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Bolded by me. I don't think we're allowed to, unfortunately. I believe they are considered victims on WB 😕 Really frustrating as I, personally, believe they hold ALL the answers. I think certain people being off-limits is what has slowed this topic down so much.

 

[doris5]

Bolded by me. I don't think we're allowed to, unfortunately. I believe they are considered victims on WB [emoji53] Really frustrating as I, personally, believe they hold ALL the answers. I think certain people being off-limits is what has slowed this topic down so much.

The only real victims in this case are Brandon, his children and his parents.

Kyle and ladessa have acted suspiciously since the beginning, and thus should be considered suspects in this case. Much as the Ramsay parents are suspects in the JonBenet case, the same should apply here -- yes, they've lost a loved one, but have behaved in ways that cast a lot of doubt on them.

So can anyone fill in the Kyle narrative here? What's his story? Relationship with Brandon? More importantly, his relationship with ladessa?

The fact he and ladessa both moved away immediately after the disappearance just makes them even more obviously suspect. These are clearly guileless characters, yet they may be getting away with the unspeakable.


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[Vedder]

The only real victims in this case are Brandon, his children and his parents.

Kyle and ladessa have acted suspiciously since the beginning, and thus should be considered suspects in this case. Much as the Ramsay parents are suspects in the JonBenet case, the same should apply here -- yes, they've lost a loved one, but have behaved in ways that cast a lot of doubt on them.

So can anyone fill in the Kyle narrative here? What's his story? Relationship with Brandon? More importantly, his relationship with ladessa?

The fact he and ladessa both moved away immediately after the disappearance just makes them even more obviously suspect. These are clearly guileless characters, yet they may be getting away with the unspeakable.


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Due to WS TOS, we cannot consider them suspects - WS considers them victims.

Frustrating, yes...but that's how it is.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Thus far recalling from memory 2 PI's have been involved with the case is there any public information as to either of their findings and conclusion.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Thus far recalling from memory 2 PI's have been involved with the case is there any public information as to either of their findings and conclusion.

In reference to polygraph from what I understood K did pass all thou it was given 4 times which is interesting. However it was stated here on one of the posts that K had failed. Can anyone direct me to the public info on this matter believe he may have fell victim to incorrect statements.

 

[doris5]

In reference to polygraph from what I understood K did pass all thou it was given 4 times which is interesting. However it was stated here on one of the posts that K had failed. Can anyone direct me to the public info on this matter believe he may have fell victim to incorrect statements.

Good call! Let's consider Kyle and get our info straight... I feel like he's a big question mark at the moment so good to find out more


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[folieadeuxnola]

would like to see the public info for myself and read through as to what is factual and what is not.

 

[Karmin]

I'm not sure how far Facebook keeps things, but have you checked out Help Find Brandon Lawson page?? That is where tons of info was


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[folieadeuxnola]

I'm not sure how far Facebook keeps things, but have you checked out Help Find Brandon Lawson page?? That is where tons of info was


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Thank you Karmin, On FB you can go back for years unless something was deleted.
Would like a good hard copy in writing however I guess that would be in LE's possession
And would not be public I would assume. Rather see the actual than go by someone elses statements.

Ill take a peak thou