GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #6

[SaintGirl]

I am not convinced that illegality of EA's actions with a 16-yo is sufficient to label him as a MONSTER. Law is created by very smart men, and I am sure the intent here is to protect an underage girl from a 40-yo pedophile's grooming -- not to punish people at some age group going at it. This 16-yo story has been blown too out-of-proportion imo.

When I was researching JLC, I found out that almost half of Courtland, Mississippi was sex offenders. It turned out that they were convicted 20 years ago when they were 15-17. And at that town, at 15 everybody was already doing it with everyone.

Your theory that EA preyed on her and raped her because he was a "sex criminal" sleeping with a 16-yo.... I hope not many are living unmarried in Idaho, Illinois, Minnessota, Massachusetts, South Carolina or Utah and praying on opposite sex, regardless of age. Fornication is still a criminal act punishable by law in these states.

His actions on the morning of Aug 30, 2014, IS sufficient to label him a monster imo. If you watched or read the interviews with Juror #1 you know the jury was leaning towards giving him the maximum sentence. And that was without hearing anything about the SA charges.

That said, I almost threw up my breakfast reading the tweets about the deviant *advertiser censored* found on his phone. Nothing about the description of those images and film links is anywhere near the realm of the typical type of *advertiser censored* that might interest a 24-year-old male.

 

[Sillybilly]

The values of other cultures, the laws of other countries, or personal viewpoints that are contrary to the laws of the State of Texas and/or the United States of America have no place in this discussion.

This case is being discussed relevant to the jurisdictions where the case and trial have taken place. Please post accordingly.

:tyou:

 

[Gigglingtoes]

While not everyone that followed the case for last 2 years, some including myself, did follow the trial. As I stated earlier, State did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charges. My opinion matters or doesn't matter as much as anyone else following this thread/trial. Following the TRIAL is different than thread from beginning. There are things that may or may not have been brought about in the trial. Trial is all that matters. If you go back and read there were so many inconsistent testimonies within the PPD.

I totally respect the Jury verdict. They are the ones that mattered. It was not a slam dunk. 17 hours. We know they asked for evidence iirc twice, prior to the juror being released for illness. Then the Alt came on and they went to the hotel. Continued Deliberation next morning until iirc around 7pm ish. We do not know the split in vote prior to the juror being released / alt joined the jury. But it was not unanimous nor was the ill juror the dividing juror. It would not have continued on ending 17 hours total.

The only threads that matter for Trial are the trial threads. It is completely different than following from the beginning. Not following only the Trial, I was unbiased in my opinion. I agree to disagree and respect everyone's opinion. But going by only facts we have since we could not see live stream, was tweets. So no one knows everything except those in court and those that shared we appreciate you sharing. JMHO it went along with the tweets but because tweets are restrictive we didnt get some. Again best we had to work with. JMHO

JMHO I disagree with people calling others trolls because they disagree. I have seen members who have followed from beginning who seem to not post what they feel because it not the popular opinion.

I just now started watching the "baby Kate" trial. I have almost zero info in what happened or who people are. So yes I will watch and piece it together but I won't be as educated on it as if I had been there from the days she first went missing. It's a lot of information. You aren't a troll but you don't have as much information as someone who has followed since day one.

 

[Helen_Ready]

I am so pleased that we are all rallying behind each other ...many of us have been on this case from the very beginning....we had differences at times ...now we stand united in the decision of Mark Rusch and the jury <modsnip>

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[ptown]

Yes I have lived in Plano since 1975 and the Plano PD are always amazing. I feel like that might be a reason people from other areas find it hard to trust them because they are not as fortunate in that area. I know EA had a fabulous attorney in Keith Gore. I would encourage anyone who thinks otherwise to look him up and call him with any concerns about EA'S defense. I honestly believe they will get a response if they have anything unknown to provide. As big as Collin County has gotten, it still not like Dallas you can call and get a human on the phone to reschedule jury duty if needed. So I don't see the need to argue, if you feel EA was wronged call KG and try to help him out.
THE JUDGE and JURY HAVE SPOKEN...no need to rehash proven facts...not worth anyone's time to argue...

 

[b.humble]

Ref 2, My take on it is on previous post.

Ref 3, I read here on tweets. I very clearly remember bedroom/coach on the same sentence. Will check to quote.

Ref 5, choking implies impending death. This is not at the same level as domestic abuse at all. It does not make sense to stick 5 months to be subjected to this if it was not reciprocatory.

CountingCrows,

I want to understand what you are saying in regards to "Ref5": are you implying that in order for a choking situation to be considered domestic abuse, or abusive, the choker must have intent to kill or seriously injur the person they are choking? I don't want to jump to assumptions and this is how it reads to me. You may have a completely different intent with what you are trying to communicate and I want to make sure I follow.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

There's too much that points to EA being guilty and there is NO denying that for me, I have NO doubt. I truly believe justice has been served and I truly believe Christina led them in the right direction. #teamchristina

 

[TexasT]

The values of other cultures, the laws of other countries, or personal viewpoints that are contrary to the laws of the State of Texas and/or the United States of America have no place in this discussion.

This case is being discussed relevant to the jurisdictions where the case and trial have taken place. Please post accordingly.

:tyou:

Exactly and strangulation in TX is a Felony ..

 

[b.humble]

Per testimony yesterday "Jennifer Smith" initially lied to PPD about her age too. Not defending or accusing anyone just talking about proceedings. Also last page a friend/coworker also said they had sex.

IIRC, she (along with EA) lied to EA's parents about her age; I've never seen a source that says she lied to EA though. Maybe I'm wrong and you can point me in the right direction.
Sentencing testimony did, however, conclusively say EA lied to her about his age, which IMO, shows willful manipulation and deceit of a 16 year old girl. His motivation was driven by a physical/sexual or romantic interest in her. He had sex with her.
I can't speak for her, but I highly doubt she had the same motives in lying to his parents.

I know you didn't bring this up, but on a separate thought for anyone who may be wondering, whether or not she took action on ending the releationship after finding out the truth is irrelevant; she was 16. She had the maturity of a 16 year old girl. She cannot and should not be held to adult standards on relationship maturity. EA was 22, he knew better. He should be held to adult standards. And he will.

I see you mentioned the last page of the arrest warrant stats that a friend/coworker said they (EA and minor) had sex, but remember, EA acknowledged having sex with her as well via text message to RA. This was not only testified to during the trial, but was extracted from RA's phone and recorded in evidence. Your reference to friend/coworker may not be an attempt to indicate that this is heresay, but in case anyone reading it assumes it is, I just wanted to clarify.

 

[Ben3000]

Exactly and strangulation in TX is a Felony ..

Who and when was anyone strangled?

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[b.humble]

Who and when was anyone strangled?

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First, I would like to apologize for my snarky response to your posts yesterday. It was immature, rude, and rightfully deleted by a forum administrator.
With that being said, I wholeheartedly disagree with innuendos that the criminal justice system got EA's verdict and sentencng wrong. You're entitled to believe differently and I would never try to dissuade you from that opinion; it's yours to commit to. If I feel the need to comment in the futre (as I am now), I will do so respectfully. Just wanted to be an adult and clear the air.

I believe TexasT is referring to the PPD officer's testimony on EA choking and hitting the minor girlfriend during sex. This was discussed Friday by the prosecutor during the sentencing phase. By tracing the thread comments, it appears this line of conversation is in reference to one user citing laws in other states. That's just my inference though.

 

[Ben3000]

First, I would like to apologize for my snarky response to your posts yesterday. It was immature, rude, and rightfully deleted by a forum administrator.
With that being said, I wholeheartedly disagree with innuendos that the criminal justice system got EA's verdict and sentencng wrong. You're entitled to believe differently and I would never try to dissuade you from that opinion; it's yours to commit to. If I feel the need to comment in the futre (as I am now), I will do so respectfully. Just wanted to be an adult and clear the air.

I believe TexasT is referring to the PPD officer's testimony on EA choking and hitting the minor girlfriend during sex. This was discussed Friday by the prosecutor during the sentencing phase. By tracing the thread comments, it appears this line of conversation is in reference to one user citing laws in other states. That's just my inference though.

Not a problem. Im just here to learn and to discuss. You probably know a lot more the case than I do. Thank you for responding maturely. I just don't see why it would be relevant in a kidnapping case. Isn't CM an adult?

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[bellesnwhistles]

Not a problem. Im just here to learn and to discuss. You probably know a lot more the case than I do. Thank you for responding maturely. I just don't see why it would be relevant in a kidnapping case. Isn't CM an adult?

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It is relevant because it shows a pattern of sexually deviant behavior. He chocked and hit her during sexual relations and on top of that he was an administrator of a group where he posted images (20+) of women being raped, tortured, and mutilated. That evidence together builds the case of AK with sexual intent.

ETA: tweets to support

Sep 30
Valerie Wigglesworth &#8207;@vlwigg
Prosecutor says Arochi would choke her and hit her during those sexual encounters - woman will use pseudonym #

Gabriel RoxasVerified account &#8207;@cbs11gabriel 9m9 minutes ago McKinney, TX
Benzick: Arochi was a group administrator on app that showed "extremely deviant *advertiser censored*" that included torture of women #arochitrial

Sep 30
Valerie Wigglesworth &#8207;@vlwigg
Benzick testifies at least 20 images showed women tortured, tied up, raped, mutilated #arochtrial

Sep 30
Scott Sidway &#8207;@ScottyWK
Benzick said the images in the app sent by Arochi of women being tortured, raped, mutilated. At least 20 he says. #arochitrial

 

[Ben3000]

It is relevant because it shows a pattern of sexually deviant behavior. He chocked and hit her during sexual relations and on top of that he has an administrator of a group where he posted images (20+) of women being raped, tortured, and mutilated. That evidence together builds the case of AG with sexual intent.

That doesn't sound logical. Unless CM is in those photos. As unbearable it is to think that, but yeah that would be relevant...... Has there been any reports about cm in those photos?


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[bellesnwhistles]

That doesn't sound logical. Unless CM is in those photos. As unbearable it is to think that, but yeah that would be relevant...... Has there been any reports about cm in those photos?


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I'm failing to understand how that wouldn't be relevant. The last person to be seen with Christina was an administrator of a group that shared pictures of women being raped and tortured and he sexually assaulted his underaged girlfriend. This builds a pattern, and in IMO a progression.. one that led to the kidnapping and murder of Christina Morris.

 

[Helen_Ready]

That doesn't sound logical. Unless CM is in those photos. As unbearable it is to think that, but yeah that would be relevant...... Has there been any reports about cm in those photos?


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This info was presented during the sentencing part of the trial.. again, in Texas there is more latitude given on the evidence that can be presented...and yes it shows PATTERNS of behavior....deviant *advertiser censored* is different from just regular *advertiser censored*....it shows EA was into things , horrible things!!!

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[bellesnwhistles]

The good news is that the very capable judge found it relevant and logical

 

[Ben3000]

I'm sorry, what? No. it means that it is very logically to draw the conclusion that EA was(is) a sexual predator who preyed on Christina when she was vulnerable.

Deviant *advertiser censored* does not = sexual predator. Deviant *advertiser censored* = weird fetish. Last I checked deviant *advertiser censored* was not illegal.

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[bellesnwhistles]

Deviant *advertiser censored* does not = sexual predator. Deviant *advertiser censored* = weird fetish. Last I checked deviant *advertiser censored* was not illegal.

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We will have to agree to disagree but the people who matter in this case (the judge) saw the relevance. *advertiser censored* involving rape, torture, and mutilation is more than just a weird fetish IMO. With that being said, you seem to be very adamant in not giving any weight to the evidence presented against the guilty party so I don't think anything I saw will change your mind.

 

[Ben3000]

We will have to agree to disagree but the people who matter in this case (the judge) saw the relevance. *advertiser censored* involving rape, torture, and mutilation is more than just a weird fetish IMO. With that being said, you seem to be very adamant in not giving any weight to the evidence presented against the guilty party so I don't think anything I saw will change your mind.

Correct. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions. I respectfully accept your opinion. However, we can now look at the FACT that EA has been kidnapping CM for the last two years.

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