GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 Aug 2014 - Enrique Arochi kidnapping trial #6

[SaintGirl]

Serious question and not meaning to be snarky, but what is typical type of *advertiser censored* that might interest a 24year old male? Or female for that matter? Not that I want to see it but evidently there are those that do. Hope that photos were checked out for possible identification.

:facepalm: For him mostlikly, what in his future where he going. (Although it is illegal there)

I'm willing to bet most men - at one point in their life - have seen *advertiser censored*. Deviant *advertiser censored* invoking violence is another story and there are several posts in this thread about the mindset it creates.

 

[SaintGirl]

You are correct. Some seem confused or misinformed about the nature of what is allowable evidence in the punishment phase of a trial.

When it comes time for deciding how long an AK sentence is to run, there is a wide range of possibles, from 5 years to 99 years. So how is it decided? The largest part of that will be determined by the details of the totality of the crime itself, and the perp's actions. Did he mitigate his crime, or did he exacerbate it? What sort of ramifications did it have, and what did he do (or not do) to make it better or worse? All of such items are things clearly relevant to the case itself, and many of them are in the testimony in the case-in-chief rather than in the punishment phase.

But beyond that, both sides are allowed to present "irrelevant to THIS case" testimony that bears on the character of this defendant.

From the state, what other things of an illegal nature is he doing, or has he done? Those may be completely different types of crime, but the presence or absence of such things shows an attitude towards following the law. Is he a moral upstanding person, or a pervy sleazeball who is obsessed with illegal and deviant things and perhaps likely to play them out? Some of those may not even be criminal, but it reveals mindset and likely propensity to do this crime or that in the future.

In this case, the state wanted to show some linkage between the "otherwise irrelevant acts" and the actions of EA to CM, which would further bolster an argument over how heinous this crime was. But the acts themselves were allowable, relevant or not, and it's up to the judge or jury to decide if you can connect the dots further.

On the other hand, the defense is allowed to show things that might excuse the perp somewhat, even if not relevant to the crime. Is he charitable to others, was he a victim of abuse when young, did he have a hard time with this or that and have to overcome it in life, is he the type of person that would make a positive impact on the community if he was released and out on the streets, are there people who would be positively benefited by him serving a shorter sentence (say, for example, a family member or friend that he generously supports and cares for)? Does his life pattern show a propensity to follow the law, where it's unlikely that he would get out and do something bad and force the state to do another trial and lock him up again?

Much evidence against him, None in his favor. With a life sentence possible, no reason to ever want to let him out again, where he can be free to do something again, or worse.

Thank you for this. Very well stated. The defense showed none of what you mentioned. They didn't produce one witness during sentencing. Not one. They also didn't produce his own brother - the only person EA said saw him between the hours of 4 am - 11 am. With the evidence presented coupled with those facts, it's not real hard to connect all the dots.

 

[Ben3000]

Thank you for this. Very well stated. The defense showed none of what you mentioned. They didn't produce one witness during sentencing. Not one. They also didn't produce his own brother - the only person EA said saw him between the hours of 4 am - 11 am. With the evidence presented coupled with those facts, it's not real hard to connect all the dots.

Why is the mom committing to going to every parole meeting? The man has life in prison. Fact

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[CookieM]

Why is the mom committing to going to every parole meeting? The man has life in prison. Fact

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Because the sentence of life in prison will allow him to be eligible for parole in 30 years and she probably doesn't feel that the person who was charged with making her daughter disappear deserves to walk free even after being incarcerated for that amount of time.

 

[shareemx]

Why is the mom committing to going to every parole meeting? The man has life in prison. Fact

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I would do the same for my child. I would never let this man think my child has been forgotten.


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[brian1108]

Maybe rotate shifts :shame: But in all seriousness I pray that just because a verdict that people don't think it done. I think at this point if/when she found will be by chance. Those 3 kidnapping victims found years later an Jaycee Duggard give me a glimmer if small, but some hope. Jmho

I was sort of being serious. Alot of that stuff is unhealthy.

Owning property makes it easy for the kidnappers. That's how those two got away with kidnapping those 4 girls for so long. I'd say that's what happened to Christina.

 

[Steleheart]

Agree. Followed trial only and appears defendant had good representation. I do not doubt the ability of PPD being awesome. Most likely are top notch. Jmho their testimony on witnesse stand though was conflicting in theories and yet stated were in agreement among other things. I respect the jury verdict no matter the outcome. I am only talking about the trial. This trial is over, but not over. It is okay to talk about it. Just as it would definitely be talked about if had been different verdict or sentence. People would still be posting their opinions, look at Casey Anthony threads. My only opinion really is charges were not proven to me by the States case. Does not mean I think he is innocent or guilty. Honestly what anyone other than that jury think matter but we still have a right to respectfully talk about it. Jmho

BBM;
By following only the tweets reported at trial and not seeing ALL of the evidence as a juror would, it's impossible to say the charges were not proven. The jury did not go by tweets, They saw all the evidence and decided the state proved their case.

JMO

 

[b.humble]

IIRC, she (along with EA) lied to EA's parents about her age; I've never seen a source that says she lied to EA though. Maybe I'm wrong and you can point me in the right direction.
Sentencing testimony did, however, conclusively say EA lied to her about his age, which IMO, shows willful manipulation and deceit of a 16 year old girl. His motivation was driven by a physical/sexual or romantic interest in her. He had sex with her.
I can't speak for her, but I highly doubt she had the same motives in lying to his parents.

Possible I incorrectly read tweets. I agree with most of your post. I agree too that he was of adult age and she underage. On maturity I know nothing nor will ever know anything thing about the young lady. I have 2 daughters and different as day and night at that age. Same thing with my boys. No I was no meaning hearsay rather that it was a known fact and appears it was consensual sex. Although I do not understand the choking sexual part - nothing sexy sounding to me but have seen it on news and many true crime shows. I don't know nor does it seem others here know what the hitting means. Hitting as in sexual or fighting? Jmho both are wrong but could have different meaning.

But as far as this case I see no proof that was presented that CM was choked. Or if so was done in sense of trying to kill her. Some present it as a fact yet so far it only a theory, no one knows for sure what happened but one, possibly more but the one that could answer isn't telling publicly. Jmho

I want to correct my mistake in my original post. I included the section I am correcting in this post. In re-reading the document, the minor did not lie to EA's parents, but rather understood EA had lied to his parents about her age. She was put in the uncomfortable position of understanding this at a birthday celebration his family had for her via the wrong age that was listed on the cake. Not wanting to rehash the same topic, just wanting to keep myself honest!

 

[Helen_Ready]

Correct. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions. I respectfully accept your opinion. However, we can now look at the FACT that EA has been kidnapping CM for the last two years.

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EA has also had 2 years to tell us where she is...I suspect there were things going on behind the scenes to work a deal ....Judge said on a Tuesday that he wouldn't sentence til Friday
..jmo.....he looked happier on Friday with his so called SMIRK... that he was still in control of the most important info.of where Christina is...
Judge sent a clear message to EA ...I'm giving you the harshest sentence for withholding info leading to her whereabouts

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[b.humble]

Deviant *advertiser censored* does not = sexual predator. Deviant *advertiser censored* = weird fetish. Last I checked deviant *advertiser censored* was not illegal.

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The DSM 5 does address sexual deviancy and fetishes as an abnormal psychological condition. When a person collects sexually sadistic images, presumably because they find them arousing, there is a significant risk that the person may one day act upon those fantasies. I don't know if there are TX statutes on deviant *advertiser censored* beyond the context of child *advertiser censored*, but IMO, the prosecutor was trying to illustrate that EA's pornogaphic preference in combination with the choking of the minor during sex puts him in a category of sexual deviant who has escalated from fantasy to actually acting out these violent images and is therefore a risk to society. They are not saying it is what happened to CM, but given these two factors, it is possible something sexually violent may have occured to her.

 

[SteveS]

Owning property makes it easy for the kidnappers. That's how those two got away with kidnapping those 4 girls for so long. I'd say that's what happened to Christina.

EA kidnapped CM, and he owns no property. So that idea is a dead end, unfortunately. His parents also moved away from where he lived when he did this stuff to CM, maybe out of fear that he did something to her there and that they would be seen as accomplices in some way, maybe even lose their home as a punishment. They are not US citizens and this must be very worrisome to them, that their son did these crimes to a US citizen and there might be blowback on them.

 

[brian1108]

EA kidnapped CM, and he owns no property. So that idea is a dead end, unfortunately. His parents also moved away from where he lived when he did this stuff to CM, maybe out of fear that he did something to her there and that they would be seen as accomplices in some way, maybe even lose their home as a punishment. They are not US citizens and this must be very worrisome to them, that their son did these crimes to a US citizen and there might be blowback on them.

Maybe his friends do? Near the lake maybe.

 

[shareemx]

Maybe his friends do? Near the lake maybe.

How often do y'all think/believe a kidnapper/murderer's friends/family know nothing of the suspect's crime? Serious question.


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[Steleheart]

How often do y'all think/believe a kidnapper/murderer's friends/family know nothing of the suspect's crime? Serious question.


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In the cases of Hannah Graham and Morgan Harrington NO ONE knew or thought that Jesse Matthew was capable of that. No one knew.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?545-Hannah-Graham

 

[Helen_Ready]

EA kidnapped CM, and he owns no property. So that idea is a dead end, unfortunately. His parents also moved away from where he lived when he did this stuff to CM, maybe out of fear that he did something to her there and that they would be seen as accomplices in some way, maybe even lose their home as a punishment. They are not US citizens and this must be very worrisome to them, that their son did these crimes to a US citizen and there might be blowback on them.

I didn't know they moved...

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[Gigglingtoes]

Serious question and not meaning to be snarky, but what is typical type of *advertiser censored* that might interest a 24year old male? Or female for that matter? Not that I want to see it but evidently there are those that do. Hope that photos were checked out for possible identification.

:facepalm: For him mostlikly, what in his future where he going. (Although it is illegal there)

So on Netflix there's a show called "hot girls wanted" where a guy recruits girls off Craig list for *advertiser censored*. He uses them for a few mos and let's them live w him in turn he drives them around to their gigs and splits the money w them. Most of the *advertiser censored* was just like regular *advertiser censored* with dramatic fake orgasms and some booty sex but there was ONE girl who did deviant *advertiser censored*. We had to turn it off!!!! I have no clue how you would be turned on by it. She was getting hit and smacked, he was choking her and calling her names, spitting in her face and scratching her. It was pretty disturbing.

I'm 32 and I have never dated a guy into that type of *advertiser censored*. *advertiser censored* isn't a big deal to me and if a guy says they haven't watched it they're lying. Lol. Deviant *advertiser censored*??? I'd run.

 

[Ben3000]

Hey some ppl get a turn on from reading 50 shades of grey. Should that be held against them in court?

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[TexasT]

Who and when was anyone strangled?

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The 16 yr old that was sexually assaulted .

 

[Ben3000]

The 16 yr old that was sexually assaulted .

Again, CM was an adult. Her mother said she was a college graduate. <modsnip>

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