GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #28 *Arrest*

[zippixx]

A tarp...... I wonder if he covered his car with a tarp at times? So he might have had one in his trunk....

Just thinking out loud mostly.

A while back I mentioned the tarp & was curious to know if he might of purchased one, say on the 30th...

 

[Helen_Ready]

Well, I'm trying to be open-minded, but yes, my first opinion is that EA is solely responsible. As far as a dumpster...possible. Some dumpsters have a strong smell anyway and I don't know the schedule of when they are emptied. I do know that those guys that drive the big trucks to empty them, just sit inside the truck, drive up to the dumpster, stick the big forks inside the two slots, lift it up and dump the stuff into the rear. CM could have been wrapped up in a tarp or something (hate saying all of this)... So yes, she could very well be in a landfill..

My second opinion is that someone close to EA helped hide her & took her to heaven-knows-where..

I feel like he acted alone on hurting her and I am also thinking he had help with the rest. I didn't used to feel that way until the warrant was released. The odo ban and note in the trash is what leads me to think EA got help. I read up on odo ban because I had never heard of it. I like a clean house so I wondered why I had never purchased some myself. Now, I will....lol...it gets great reviews for taking care of odors...it can be used two ways....1. Used like febreeze ...u spray on to freshen up....Also as a cleaner and disinfectant....the reviews really stress that it is great at getting rid of odors...

So, OK, they had a bottle lying around...but the warrant talks about the large quantity empty container of odo ban and the container and/or bottle was fairly new. That is what concerns me. That's a lot of odo ban to use recently especially when it is specifically for odor removal....to me.....it is my opinion, a female loved one was involved in the cleanup to some degree..whether a female made the purchase of the cleaner or if she helped clean up.

 

[Bootsctr]

Neither is an attorney. Was Keith Gore ever listed as such? Or did he bail on EA too? I would say poor EA, but I wouldn't mean it.

"Parties



Type

Name

DOB

Address

Attorney

Applicant Arochi Gutierrez, Enrique 03/12/1990 Keith Gore "

http://apps.collincountytx.gov/cccasesearch/Search.aspx

Nope, Gore didn't bail. He's working on lowering the bail for EA. 17 days to find CM. The clock is ticking folks! Tick-tock, tick-tock....

 

[DoJLT395]

No, unfortunately, Madden can't talk. So, you are of the opinion that EA and EA alone pulled this off? No help whatsoever?

I mean if he dumped her in a dumpster somewhere (the dumpsters at the Shops aren't that big) and in the heat of summer that someone (garbage man), you are of the belief that no one would have noticed the scent of death in August/September in Texas in the city of Plano?

If she's in a landfill from September.... That's not good news. I'd rather she be found, is my hope and wishes.

Wasn't it said a few threads back by the Vi's that Jonni said CM wanted to go home and get Madden? Just trying to clarify. Also, if you have ever smelled a decomposing human body, you would know it stands out from dumpster trash smell. The only thing worse smelling is a human body that has been set on fire. This is my personal and professional opinion.

 

[SaintGirl]

I looked last nite and the name was still on there. Interesting....

So there have been two different "friends" on EA's visitor list that have been removed, with the latest one having the spelling of his name changed before removal. EA has also had at least one attorney listed then removed (that being the court-appointed attorney).

Does anyone remember if Keith Gore was ever listed? And if he wasn't, why not?

Maybe Quailfoot can help clarify since he was the one who alerted us to Paul Johnson not serving as EA's attorney when Brittany was tweeting just the opposite. TIA Quailfoot.

I know none of this will help us find Christina, but I think it shows a lot of instability around EA. And hopefully that could lead to being one step closer to finding her. Hopefully....

 

[catpatrol]

Neither is an attorney. Was Keith Gore ever listed as such? Or did he bail on EA too? I would say poor EA, but I wouldn't mean it.

Keith Gore has never been on the Collin County jail website.

I remember someone saying this earlier: Do you think Collin County would simply make an exception for EA to not list his attorney? They can't. That information is public record... it's the Collin County jail/inmate website. I don't know how much more official that can be: http://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

 

[Circleoflife]

We don't know where she was before going to the parking garage.
Maybe she went to the blue martini parking garage first to visit someone that lived over there and EA was there too.
They then leave there and head over to the other parking garage? (remember EA and CM entered together)
Maybe this is how the guys were invited to the girls night out.

I'm still catching up, so disregard my reply if it's redundant, but I thought we knew the group met at PP's apt for pre-gaming and then headed to Henry's.

 

[SaintGirl]

"Parties



Type

Name

DOB

Address

Attorney

Applicant Arochi Gutierrez, Enrique 03/12/1990 Keith Gore "

http://apps.collincountytx.gov/cccasesearch/Search.aspx

Nope, Gore didn't bail. He's working on lowering the bail for EA. 17 days to find CM. The clock is ticking folks! Tick-tock, tick-tock....

Thanks Boots. So he's listed on the case file for bail reduction but not EA's inmate page. Which was where Paul Johnson was also not listed. Odd.

 

[catpatrol]

I'm still catching up, so disregard my reply if it's redundant, but I thought we knew the group met at PP's apt for pre-gaming and then headed to Henry's.

Yes, I believe this is when EA allegedly had the 10 shots before going out.

 

[Bootsctr]

So we still have seventeen days to find Christina before EA's bond is possibly reduced on Jan-15.

http://cijspub.co.collin.tx.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1368466

:bump: Bumping for anyone who might have missed this posted by Diet Dr. Pepper. EA's attorney is listed at this site regarding EA's court appearance on 01/15/2015.

 

[SteveS]

On the Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus for Collin County, it refers to Article 17.151, Section 1 of the T.C.C.P, stating in part that a defendant must be released on personal bond or by reducing the amount of bail required if the defendant is still in custody and the state is not ready for trial within
(1) 90 days from the commencement of his detention if he is accused of a felony
(2) 30 days if he is accused of a misdemeanor punishable by >180 days in jail or
(3) 15 days if accused of misdemeanor punishable by 180 days or less

In reading the form, it appears this petition can only be referring to the Theft Charge and not the AK hold as he has only been incarcerated for 17 days thus far. They might be trying to get the bond posted on 9/22 back or reduced--just guessing that the bondsman might be pressing to get his money back since that case hasn't made any progress.

No, this is pertaining to the AK charge. He is not being incarcerated on the theft charge.

The W of H C hearing will be one in which the defense will argue that his bond should be reduced to an amount that will make it possible for him to get out and be out of jail, while awaiting trial. (Currently the amount is set at $1M, and if he can't get a bail bond agency to back him because of the ICE issue, he'd have to present cash or assets in that amount to be let out between now and trial.)

The defense will argue that he's been convicted of nothing and deserves his freedom while the case drags on. The state will argue that the bar needs to be extremely high because of his status as a non-citizen, because he is a flight risk to Mexico, because he did evil stuff and might do it again, because he also committed theft, and because the evidence is so compelling that he did this crime. Then the judge will make a ruling and set an amount, perhaps the same $$ level and perhaps not.

 

[Bootsctr]

Thanks Boots. So he's listed on the case file for bail reduction but not EA's inmate page. Which was where Paul Johnson was also not listed. Odd.

He was there and then he was not there *Poof*, but he is definitely listed on the case file for bail reduction.... And EA is eligible for bail - depending on how low the judge agrees to set it - flight risk and all. The other one is still NO BOND AFAIK (as far as I know).

 

[catpatrol]

For those that are local, reminder that candlelight vigil is tonight to mark 4 month anniversary:

 

[Helen_Ready]

So there have been two different "friends" on EA's visitor list that have been removed, with the latest one having the spelling of his name changed before removal. EA has also had at least one attorney listed then removed (that being the court-appointed attorney).

Does anyone remember if Keith Gore was ever listed? And if he wasn't, why not?

Maybe Quailfoot can help clarify since he was the one who alerted us to Paul Johnson not serving as EA's attorney when Brittany was tweeting just the opposite. TIA Quailfoot.

I know none of this will help us find Christina, but I think it shows a lot of instability around EA. And hopefully that could lead to being one step closer to finding her. Hopefully....

SaintGirl....I agree, I feel it would also help me for this to be clarified. I do recall reading that Quailfoot alerted us to the change away from Paul Johnson...he or she would be great to help us clarify...thank you for reminding me that he or she knew the change before Brittany Feagans did.

 

[BaeMomma]

The M to P E is somewhat routine legal procedure for a defense attorney. Don't read too much into it.

In some ways, it's a "preserve your rights" type of move, and indicates that EA probably has an experienced and competent attorney handling his case. In essence, it's a demand to allow defense-paid testers to be able to perform the same tests as the prosecution, and (especially when that's not possible) to be able to essentially look over the shoulder of the prosecution testers, so to speak, to ensure the tests are done fairly and properly.

The first question that pops into my head when I read this response was:

Do you think it's a way for the defense to say, "we never got a chance to test that separately in our own lab or have it reviewed by our own experts (trunk & car swabs, etc) so it's not allowed as evidence"??

 

[SteveS]

The first question that pops into my head when I read this response was:

Do you think it's a way for the defense to say, "we never got a chance to test that separately in our own lab or have it reviewed by our own experts (trunk & car swabs, etc) so it's not allowed as evidence"??

They are laying the groundwork for these types of arguments, yes. It remains to be seen whether they will actually come into play at trial (as there may be plenty of stuff to test as much as they want), but this is ordinary posturing in a case like this.

 

[BaeMomma]

I feel like he acted alone on hurting her and I am also thinking he had help with the rest. I didn't used to feel that way until the warrant was released. The odo ban and note in the trash is what leads me to think EA got help. I read up on odo ban because I had never heard of it. I like a clean house so I wondered why I had never purchased some myself. Now, I will....lol...it gets great reviews for taking care of odors...it can be used two ways....1. Used like febreeze ...u spray on to freshen up....Also as a cleaner and disinfectant....the reviews really stress that it is great at getting rid of odors...

So, OK, they had a bottle lying around...but the warrant talks about the large quantity empty container of odo ban and the container and/or bottle was fairly new. That is what concerns me. That's a lot of odo ban to use recently especially when it is specifically for odor removal....to me.....it is my opinion, a female loved one was involved in the cleanup to some degree..whether a female made the purchase of the cleaner or if she helped clean up.

Great point. My assumption of the mention that "bottles appear to be recently purchased & free of dust" was their way of saying they WERE recently purchased.
(IMO) they probably know what he's purchased, where/when since 8/30 but they didn't need to state that part if they simply write that the bottles "appeared" recently purchased. They will have to prove later why they believe the bottles are recently purchased....."well, here is video and financials of these purchases....."

 

[SaintGirl]

They are laying the groundwork for these types of arguments, yes. It remains to be seen whether they will actually come into play at trial (as there may be plenty of stuff to test as much as they want), but this is ordinary posturing in a case like this.

Thanks Steve. You seem to have a good grasp of the law as well. Do you think the DA can/will bring out more evidence in an attempt to have bail remain set as is?

 

[Doj1234]

I missed it too. Looks like we weren't the only ones that missed. Perhaps SteveS can fill us in on exactly where HF went out of town on the 30th? Thank You In Advance (TYIA).

I don't recall anything being posted about HF leaving on the 30th. I recall that HF and his father posted flyers at an Oklahoma casino and along the route to the casino during the week after it was known that Christina was missing. The confusion may be coming from a post from someone, vi13 I believe, insinuating that EA left town on the 30th.

 

[SteveS]

Thanks Steve. You seem to have a good grasp of the law as well. Do you think the DA can/will bring out more evidence in an attempt to have bail remain set as is?

This will be a hearing where it's likely to be more argument and little-to-no actual evidence. And it tends not to center on the issues of the actual case, but rather on things like "is he dangerous to others" and "what are the odds he runs away and we can't put him on trial" and the like.

The goal is to sway the judge's opinion on such issues. The "security" as reflected in the size of the bond will be based on how he sees such issues, in his opinion.