GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[Bootsctr]

I know you didn't write this but Mexico is NOT just 6 hours south of Plano. I feel like reporters can't be trusted with facts these days.

Absolutely agree! As a mother, I would just find it hard to ever give up finding my child alive until she was found deceased.

I just wonder why no searches north? EA knew HF and CM were arguing why wouldn't he take her toward Ft Worth to dump the body thinking that would throw suspicion HF's direction? I know the cell phone pings don't support this theory, but the lack of finding her confounds me. That and the return to SAL area... :tantrum:

 

[Bootsctr]

I know you didn't write this but Mexico is NOT just 6 hours south of Plano. I feel like reporters can't be trusted with facts these days.

FWIW, the Huffington Post spelled Christina's mom's name and EA's name incorrectly.

 

[Bootsctr]

Article dated March 30th regarding the letter Christina's mother wrote to EA:

'I’ve written him a two-page letter. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. I told Enrique I forgive him. Christina forgives him. God will forgive him, but he has to ask for forgiveness and want to do the right thing.”

“It’s the worst pain you can endure,” McElroy said through the tears. “When you get up every day and you know you’re going to put those boots on to go search and pray for that one clue. I still feel like Christina is alive and she’s out there.”

http://cw33.com/2015/03/30/7-months-later-christina-morris-mom-writes-letter-to-suspect/

 

[Bootsctr]

Well somebody had to give the interview to the Enquirer... Why not her mom? It's the NATIONAL Enquirer. Lots of people read it. Probably even people in Mexico. If you think there is a possibility your daughter is in Mexico wouldn't you want coverage in Mexico?

I don't know if John Edwards has a subscription or not though... The National Enquirer was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for breaking his love child story. :notgood:

 

[Lolly85x]

One thing for sure about this case is it really stirs the fire and passion in people!! Everyone wants Christina found and justice to be served.

I appreciate everyone's theories and possibilities, because something happened to her that night, and who knows it may very well be one of these scenarios someone mentions.

I am a very fact based person, I don't think we can argue as such with the evidence we have been given so far. So for me, any situation needs to fit in with this.
As much as I think HF is an idiot for want of a better word, in my opinion Christina didn't know where he was. If the text information we have been told is correct, that Christina text him asking to leave the door open why would she do that if she knew he was only 'working' let's use the term loosely, 23 minutes away. In my opinion she didn't. I still think the good rock text was to try and get a response from him. Something made her willingly get into that car with him, and something's gone wrong.

I don't know if anyone is familiar with the case in Scotland recently, a girl called Karen Buckly went missing after a night out with friends, she was missing for a few days then her body was found. The man arrested was the man she was last seen on cctv with. I need to catch up on that thread, but it reminded me of Christina's case.

I have complete faith in the police dealing with this case. If they had evidence on anyone else I'm sure they would have acted on it. I just don't see how someone else is involved.

 

[Bootsctr]

One thing for sure about this case is it really stirs the fire and passion in people!! Everyone wants Christina found and justice to be served.

I appreciate everyone's theories and possibilities, because something happened to her that night, and who knows it may very well be one of these scenarios someone mentions.

I am a very fact based person, I don't think we can argue as such with the evidence we have been given so far. So for me, any situation needs to fit in with this.
As much as I think HF is an idiot for want of a better word, in my opinion Christina didn't know where he was. If the text information we have been told is correct, that Christina text him asking to leave the door open why would she do that if she knew he was only 'working' let's use the term loosely, 23 minutes away. In my opinion she didn't. I still think the good rock text was to try and get a response from him. Something made her willingly get into that car with him, and something's gone wrong.

I don't know if anyone is familiar with the case in Scotland recently, a girl called Karen Buckly went missing after a night out with friends, she was missing for a few days then her body was found. The man arrested was the man she was last seen on cctv with. I need to catch up on that thread, but it reminded me of Christina's case.

I have complete faith in the police dealing with this case. If they had evidence on anyone else I'm sure they would have acted on it. I just don't see how someone else is involved.

I think we must not take the "leave the door open" text as gospel. That information came from Christina's mother who was told that by HF who also said he had been home that weekend. And as we have plainly told above ^^^^

FROM THE FAMILY'S PERSPECTIVE

For some time I've felt that the family has had mistaken impressions about the evidence. My heart goes out to them, as their burden has to be monstrously heavy, and I think they do their best with what they have been given.

But they are limited by what they are told, and then further limited by the fact that at times they may misinterpret what they are told. And based on the mistakes, I don't think LE is anywhere close to transparent with them. So I don't take their thinking as gospel, and observe that they get surprised by new revelations by LE, just like we do.

IOW when it comes to knowing the evidence against EA, I think they are mostly treated as outsiders -- and the ping data is clearly evidence."

I must read up on Karen Buckly. Was it a serial killer that murdered her? Her name sounds familiar.

I admit I am familiar with a case in which the man last seen with Cyndi Vanderheiden (Curtis Cox) was ruled out as her killer. The killers (Wes Shermantine and Leron Herzog) were eventually found out, but not before they killed 16 y/o Chevelle Wheeler in 1984 and many others. They were known as the speed freak killers.
http://crime.about.com/od/missing/ss/Cyndi-Vanderheiden.htm

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

One thing for sure about this case is it really stirs the fire and passion in people!! Everyone wants Christina found and justice to be served.

I appreciate everyone's theories and possibilities, because something happened to her that night, and who knows it may very well be one of these scenarios someone mentions.

I am a very fact based person, I don't think we can argue as such with the evidence we have been given so far. So for me, any situation needs to fit in with this.
As much as I think HF is an idiot for want of a better word, in my opinion Christina didn't know where he was. If the text information we have been told is correct, that Christina text him asking to leave the door open why would she do that if she knew he was only 'working' let's use the term loosely, 23 minutes away. In my opinion she didn't. I still think the good rock text was to try and get a response from him. Something made her willingly get into that car with him, and something's gone wrong.

I don't know if anyone is familiar with the case in Scotland recently, a girl called Karen Buckly went missing after a night out with friends, she was missing for a few days then her body was found. The man arrested was the man she was last seen on cctv with. I need to catch up on that thread, but it reminded me of Christina's case.

I have complete faith in the police dealing with this case. If they had evidence on anyone else I'm sure they would have acted on it. I just don't see how someone else is involved.

Lolly----just remember that there is a lot to be gained by inference, innuendo, gut feelings, etc
Just don't close your mind to it---those methods can save your life one day.
Moo

 

[daisytrail]

Well somebody had to give the interview to the Enquirer... Why not her mom? It's the NATIONAL Enquirer. Lots of people read it. Probably even people in Mexico. If you think there is a possibility your daughter is in Mexico wouldn't you want coverage in Mexico?

I don't know if John Edwards has a subscription or not though... The National Enquirer was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for breaking his love child story. :notgood:

I was so relieved that they did that. The MSM was practically sitting on it. I rather liked how things turned out . . . ultimately. I still don't read it.

 

[Bootsctr]

I was so relieved that they did that. The MSM was practically sitting on it. I rather liked how things turned out . . . ultimately. I still don't read it.

Me too. It was sad when his wife, Elizabeth, passed. She fought a valiant fight against breast cancer. I was rooting for her. I'd say John received his just desserts. I read the National Enquirer when I'm standing in line at the grocery store and my aunt keeps a copy in her bathroom.

 

[daisytrail]

Article dated March 30th regarding the letter Christina's mother wrote to EA:

'I’ve written him a two-page letter. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do. I told Enrique I forgive him. Christina forgives him. God will forgive him, but he has to ask for forgiveness and want to do the right thing.”

“It’s the worst pain you can endure,” McElroy said through the tears. “When you get up every day and you know you’re going to put those boots on to go search and pray for that one clue. I still feel like Christina is alive and she’s out there.”

http://cw33.com/2015/03/30/7-months-later-christina-morris-mom-writes-letter-to-suspect/

Yes, she did, but before that, I also saw her after one court procedure, and she came out and spoke to reporters, and I believe she did so with the understanding that there was DNA evidence that indicated that Christina would be unlikely to be alive. Whatever the police may be sharing or not sharing, this is one thing that they should be absolutely clear about to Christina's family. This is a family! They are real people with real lives dealing with the emotional and sometimes financial stress of all this. Not to be as clear as possible with them would be cruel. Surely this family has a victim advocate.

 

[Bootsctr]

I don't know if the family has a victim advocate or not. I think the fundraisers are helping with the financial stress. I'm sure her emotions vary day to day. One day you know she's not alive and the next you have hope...

Is it possible Christina could have been dumped in the Trinity River? It seems like Tim Miller and his crew would have done searches along the river if LE felt it was a possibility she had been put there.

Jason Eric Massey claims to have dumped Christina Benjamin's head and hands into the Trinity River. Her skull has never been recovered. They did recover a cooler full of animal skulls that he had killed and his journals.

"Jason Eric Massey (January 7, 1973 – April 3, 2001) was an American murderer who was executed in 2001 for the murders of two people.

Born in 1973 in Ellis County, Texas, Massey was neglected and abused by his drug addicted mother. By his teens, he was a juvenile delinquent with a lengthy criminal record, mostly for stalking and torturing animals. His mother once sent him to a psychiatrist after discovering his journals, in which he detailed his fantasies about rape and murder, his hero worship of Charles Manson, his avowed Satanism, and his strong desire to become a serial killer."

Summary:
13 year old Christina Banjamin was assisted by Massey in "sneaking out of the house" one night, never to return. Girl's decomposing body was found the next day in a field shot in the back, raped, stabbed, and disemboweled, with head and hands severed. Some body parts never recovered. The body of a 14 year old was found nearby, shot twice in the head. Massey bragged and kept a diary about wanting to be a famous serial killer. Kept a collection of animal skulls and jaw bones in a woods.

Citations:
Massey v. State, 933 SW2d 141 (Tex. 1996).

Final Meal:
Three fried chicken quarters, fried squash, fried egg plant, mashed potatoes, snap peas, boiled cabbage, three corn on the cob, spinach, broccoli with cheese, one pint of caramel pecan fudge or tin roof ice cream, and a pitcher of sweet tea.

Final Words:
"I do not know any of y'all and that is unfortunate, because I would like to apologize to each and every one of you individually. I want you to know I did do it. I'm sorry for what I have done. I know you guys want to know where the rest of her remains are. I put her remains in the Trinity River." Next, he expressed love to individual members of his family and apologized to them "for all of the pain that I have caused." He then talked about how "God has used this to change my life" and proclaimed Jesus as Lord. In closing, he said, "Tonight I dance on the streets of gold. Let those without sin cast the first stone."

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/massey706.htm

 

[Bootsctr]

Oh my! Then there's this guy from Tarrant County, Wesley Wayne Miller!! Geez Louise!

In 2006, Miller, a registered sex offender, became Texas’ first convicted killer to be committed under the state’s Sexually Violent Predator Program. He was forbidden to have contact with unapproved people or with potential victims.

“I’m not surprised that it happened, but pleased that he was where he was and that nobody got hurt. The system worked,” said Rona Stratton Smith, whose sister Retha Stratton was fatally stabbed by Miller in 1982 after she rejected his sexual advances. “You can’t predict a psychopath.”

https://vigilantantis.wordpress.com...repeaet-sex-offender-predator-arrested-again/

You can't predict a psychopath... I agree with her. I believe he was sentenced to 25 years, but was released after serving only two. Couldn't control his urges though and was soon back in prison for stalking a lady.

Miller, 48, was sentenced to 25 years in prison for the 1982 murder of Retha Stratton, a high school cheerleader.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2011/05/two-violations-of-civil-commit.html/

 

[BaeMomma]

I've never been able to fully or really grasp what a person would think had they no empathy. Every scenario I can think of, there's my own internal emotions that skew my perception.

I recently had a doctor describe what a person without empathy would feel (or think) about assault, torture, rape, or killing another person before, during and after the act.

He said....imagine yourself walking down the sidewalk knowing you've stepped on and killed an ant.

That's it. That's all that goes through their minds on an emotional level. They can mentally understand what they've done was wrong according to society, that others are sad because they see people crying, and what they've done is illegal but emotionally they couldnt care less. Just as we do when we think of all the ants we've killed. I mean, I'm sad for their family but I'm not going to weep about it.

^ this is why I can't ever see EA confessing even if her remains are found. By now, linking him to her remains is nearly impossible. So no, IMO empathy, remorse and begging him to speak up won't do it. I read earlier that real justice is when her family can bury her and I agree. I just don't ever see that as a possibility, unfortunately.

 

[EllieBee]

I know you didn't write this but Mexico is NOT just 6 hours south of Plano. I feel like reporters can't be trusted with facts these days.

It is more like 12-14 hours. I agree all reporting should be taken with a POUND of salt.

 

[EllieBee]

I've never been able to fully or really grasp what a person would think had they no empathy. Every scenario I can think of, there's my own internal emotions that skew my perception.

I recently had a doctor describe what a person without empathy would feel (or think) about assault, torture, rape, or killing another person before, during and after the act.

He said....imagine yourself walking down the sidewalk knowing you've stepped on and killed an ant.

That's it. That's all that goes through their minds on an emotional level. They can mentally understand what they've done was wrong according to society, that others are sad because they see people crying, and what they've done is illegal but emotionally they couldnt care less. Just as we do when we think of all the ants we've killed. I mean, I'm sad for their family but I'm not going to weep about it.

^ this is why I can't ever see EA confessing even if her remains are found. By now, tying him to her remains is nearly impossible. So no, IMO empathy, remorse and begging him to speak up won't do it. I read earlier that real justice is when her family can bury her and I agree. I just don't ever see that as a possibility, unfortunately.

I guess I am a sociopath, because I have stepped on ants plenty of times, and have also poured kerosene down fire ant mounds. And never once felt bad about that.

Sorry, but it's true. I guess it sounds hypocritical that I would never kill a person, but would readily kill a fire ant.

 

[BaeMomma]

I guess I am a sociopath, because I have stepped on ants plenty of times, and have also poured kerosene down fire ant mounds. And never once felt bad about that.

Sorry, but it's true. I guess it sounds hypocritical that I would never kill a person, but would readily kill a fire ant.

LOL. Apparently I should explain it better.

My point is the way a normal person feels about ants is how an unempathetic person feels about human life.
I don't care about ants either. I've also done what you've done to radicate ants. But I'd never do that to a human. Get it now?

To them; Insects, humans...all the same.

 

[suzyjackson]

I know I haven't posted recently as I haven't felt I could add anything to the discussion but I still read everyday, check Jonni's daily updates and think of Christina.

My main wish is that we could somehow come up with the location that EA took Christina to and help ease the family's pain, it still saddens me that after all this time nothing has surfaced and I keep coming back to the most likely thing being a body of water.

 

[suzyjackson]

Lolly----just remember that there is a lot to be gained by inference, innuendo, gut feelings, etc
Just don't close your mind to it---those methods can save your life one day.
Moo

Slightly O/T but I've been reading the threads for the Australian case of Jill Meagher who was abducted from the street and murdered and on that thread a book was recommended (can't remember the name but can look back if anyone is interested) along those very lines - trusting your instincts and not worrying about offended people who might approach you in the street - better safe than sorry

 

[Lolly85x]

I think we must not take the "leave the door open" text as gospel. That information came from Christina's mother who was told that by HF who also said he had been home that weekend. And as we have plainly told above ^^^^

FROM THE FAMILY'S PERSPECTIVE

For some time I've felt that the family has had mistaken impressions about the evidence. My heart goes out to them, as their burden has to be monstrously heavy, and I think they do their best with what they have been given.

But they are limited by what they are told, and then further limited by the fact that at times they may misinterpret what they are told. And based on the mistakes, I don't think LE is anywhere close to transparent with them. So I don't take their thinking as gospel, and observe that they get surprised by new revelations by LE, just like we do.

IOW when it comes to knowing the evidence against EA, I think they are mostly treated as outsiders -- and the ping data is clearly evidence."

I must read up on Karen Buckly. Was it a serial killer that murdered her? Her name sounds familiar.

I admit I am familiar with a case in which the man last seen with Cyndi Vanderheiden (Curtis Cox) was ruled out as her killer. The killers (Wes Shermantine and Leron Herzog) were eventually found out, but not before they killed 16 y/o Chevelle Wheeler in 1984 and many others. They were known as the speed freak killers.
http://crime.about.com/od/missing/ss/Cyndi-Vanderheiden.htm

Your 100% right about the family, I think they are only being given snippets of information and perhaps believing what other people are saying, perhaps people who were there that night and close to Christina, doesn't mean any of this is correct.

I am very open minded, I know something has happened to Christina, but I just don't see it being anything too out there if that makes sense.

In regards to the Karen Buckly case no it wasn't a serial killer, it was the man she was last seen in cctv footage with outside the nightclub she was at. I'm not sure if she previously knew this man, or met him that night. I do need to catch up on it. But her body was found at a farm north of his house.

 

[SteveS]

In regards to the Karen Buckly case no it wasn't a serial killer, it was the man she was last seen in cctv footage with outside the nightclub she was at. I'm not sure if she previously knew this man, or met him that night. I do need to catch up on it. But her body was found at a farm north of his house.

Yep. Same here. Instinct told us that "last person CM was ever seen with" before she was abducted, had really good odds of being the one who did something to her. Just plain ole common sense. And now we have lots of evidence that says the same thing.