TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6

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Duper's Delight said:
Seargent Ritchie and Detective Wyatt have both stated that Liz would already be gone/on the road on a normal workday. This inked article says Liz would not normally be home at 6:50 in the morning. Not Normally Home at 6:50

She is only home at that time on that day due to her day off for the garage sale otherwise she leaves her house very early according the her neighbor across the street. That is in the supplemental report covered by Arrin Stoner. Arrin Stoner Incident Report

Liz usually parked in her garage and left from her garage; no walking to her car on a normal morning. Her parents describe how cautious she was leaving her garage. Here @ 10:20

Attached is a screenshot from a fellow member who lives in the area. They speculate that the killer's timing could have been planned around the school bus schedules. Killing her when she arrives back at 6:18 would not be smart since the bus picks up at 6:20.

Interestingly, the killer did not murder her when she left for Starbucks. I believe that is the normal time Liz would leave her house for work. They make a beeline for Liz the minute she is alone.

We have discussed the timing a lot but I have been meaning to re-post this to re-emphasize how precise the timing and possibly planning of this was.

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I did not know this information so thank you.

Knowing information about a case is so important. I thought it was very strange that all the surveillance done by the killer seemed to be moving surveillance. Maybe the reason the killer did not want to park on the street a house or two down from the Barrazas to observe from there is because they thought someone in the house they parked in front of might recognize them?

Even the dress type clothing would be good to hide a person's body sculpture. It would be more difficult to tell who it is if for example they normally wear jeans that tend to make your body silhouette stand out more.
 
When we saw a surveillance video of the Nissan in case Missy B., which cruised the parking lot of SWFA by night in rainy, stormy weather before the murder, it seemed, in the car on the front seat, there was a person with long. sumptuous blonde hair (or a blonde Golden Retriever with long ears).
Just this similar looking blonde hair with it's length and does appear as a wig on the head of the person, who was approaching Liz. Approaching her in the morning, after cruising by night through her area already.
It could very well be coincidence, of course, but equally could be not.
The "blonde" similarities may be a coincidence, of course.
Wearing a disguise by the perp in case Missy B. and in case Liz B. can be coincidence, but could be not.
Caring by the killer about 100% success of their murder mission in case Missy B. and in case Liz B. could be coincidence or not. In both cases the killer was playing it safe: Missy got a shot (after several injuries), and Liz got a last shot from extra close proximity.
MOO
 
Sjöberg said:
I think this statement (parking in the garage) has never been accompanied with any kind of an official link. My family would also say stuff that I "always" do - while I might do these things on most days, it's rarely so black-and-white.

Why I find this statement fishy is that we have the doorbell footage of Liz going to Starbucks in the morning. And she goes to a car that is parked outside, not in the garage. And when she returns, she again parks outside, not in the garage.

Maybe she did park in the garage 95% of days. But we have video proof that she did not do that always. Moreover, the killer might be totally unaware of her parking habits 95% of the days if the killer drove by 2 AM and saw Liz's car parked outside.

MOO
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She didn't park in her garage that morning? That makes sense to me! I thought: how would she have gotten her car in an emergency situation, if the driveway was decorated with her flea market goods?
 
lonewanderer said:
I think there could be a couple of potential reasons for the killer not wanting to shoot from the vehicle.

1) It would have been harder to confront Liz with a note, if that is what the killer was doing.

2) The killer was able to walk up to Liz and shoot her point blank. Being inside the truck could have made it much more difficult to shoot Liz with accuracy. The last thing any shooter (no matter how skilled) would want is to chase a target around a neighborhood after missing their first shot, and then missing more shots while giving chase. This plan would have gone awry QUICK if that had happened. There the truck would sit, attracting more attention.

I do have some theories that aren't as practical and solid as the aforementioned.

1) The killer was driving a sleeping child around to not look suspicious and did not want to fire a gun with them inside the car.

2) The truck was "borrowed" (with or without the owner's knowledge) and the shooter didn't want to damage it and/or have it in the road where a neighbor could jot down the license plate.

3) The house. It is bothering me really bad that the shooter took measures to make sure Liz was shot parallel to the house and not shot with the house in the background.

4) I touched on this in the Missy Bevers case. Why didn't her killer just ambush her in the parking lot? Also didn't want Missy as a moving target, and with Missy's case she likely had a handgun within reach and could return fire. Missy would be inside the vehicle too, adding a smaller layer of protection. But I also thought about Missy's potential bystanders and if someone who knew her well was not 110% percent sure she didn't have one of her daughters with her. What if there was someone that ran the risk of being a bystander? Could be anyone really though. Liz's father, Sergio, random and unexpected people. This could possibly answer the question about driving by first.
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By parallel do you mean the side of the house?
 
lonewanderer said:
Like, the shooters shoulders were generally facing the side of the house.

The shooter was not shooting Liz with the house directly behind Liz.
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Either they didn't want to harm the house or they didn't want to accidentally harm someone staying in the house with Liz and Sergio. Or maybe, it was an accidental thing as Liz didn't want to be cornered and walked out from behind the table to stand close to the drive/road.

(But I read a lot of random facts coming from SB, including that his mom was occasionally staying in the house with Liz and him? He is a very chaotic historian).
 
The sergeant seemed to be sure it was a black Nissan frontier pro 4X. I always thought the killer could have added the decal to a similar truck to confuse detectives. Does anyone know if there's a similar truck that could easily be altered to look like a pro 4X? Also, the sergeant said it was black while the other detective seemed less sure by saying it was a dark color. I still can't believe there isn't more video of the truck and amazed that this hasn't been solved if they know the vehicle the killer was driving.
 
CrimeTheorist said:
The sergeant seemed to be sure it was a black Nissan frontier pro 4X. I always thought the killer could have added the decal to a similar truck to confuse detectives. Does anyone know if there's a similar truck that could easily be altered to look like a pro 4X? Also, the sergeant said it was black while the other detective seemed less sure by saying it was a dark color. I still can't believe there isn't more video of the truck and amazed that this hasn't been solved if they know the vehicle the killer was driving.
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Toyota tacomas to me are the closest by far. I think they have more ground clearance and are a little bigger but the body style is pretty similar. I’ve mistaken them for frontiers from the side/back for sure.

The only other thing I can think of that’s even vaguely similar is a Chevy colorado.
 
iamnotagolem said:
Personally I don't think anything looks like a Nissan Frontier other than the Nissan Frontier, they are very distinctive looking if you are remotely familiar with vehicles and wouldn't be confused for another vehicle.
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That’s what I thought too until I started looking around my neighborhood for frontiers while taking walks to assess whether they are as rare as some seem to think they are.

I know vehicles fairly well and was surprised that I got fooled by tacomas (briefly and at some distance) on a couple occasions.

(Side note, maybe my neighborhood is highly unusual but there are at least seven frontiers within a half mile of my house. I don’t think they are even close to as rare as some believe.)
 
dub said:
Toyota tacomas to me are the closest by far. I think they have more ground clearance and are a little bigger but the body style is pretty similar. I’ve mistaken them for frontiers from the side/back for sure.

The only other thing I can think of that’s even vaguely similar is a Chevy colorado.
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Is the Nissan Frontier the same as the Nissan Navara?

The Frontier is called Navara when sold in Europe. The engine is a 2.5-litre YD25DDTi diesel, with 142 hp (106 kW) or 172 hp (128 kW). The stronger version has 403 N⋅m (297 lb⋅ft) of torque. Suzuki sold a Frontier-based mid-sized pickup produced by Nissan North America at the Smyrna plant.
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What, if they search for a Frontier and in real it is a Navara?
 
Importing a Navara to the US might not be possible. The US has strict import laws for vehicles. It’s easier to get older (25+ years) vehicles imported than newer ones.

And I guess I’m confused why we are still talking about the truck when LE feel pretty confident it’s a Frontier. If I can tell it’s a Frontier, I’m sure a vehicle specialist that works for LE can.
 
Allegedly...

Whether it be the shooter or the person who hired the shooter, someone did not want the Barraza’s to make the Orlando trip? But, then they would have known about the garage sale? Only a small circle of people knew about the garage sale. Of course, it is possible neighbors saw the signs go up.

The killer appeared adamant that S not be present and waited until S was out of the way before shooting Liz.

We know that the killer drove back by the crime scene- did the killer hear sirens, even after shooting off those four (4) rounds of deafening gunshots! Did they have no other choice but to turn around and drive back by the crime scene?

Speculation: Did an earplug drop out of the killer's ear(s)

Definitively, the killer’s only intention was to kill Liz? It wasn’t a robbery, a mistaken identity, road rage or neighborhood rage of some sort or anything else? It looked very personal.

It looked so personal. I'm so curious the connection between killer and person that contracted the killer. The killer made it look personal... aggressively walked up very quickly toward Liz with purpose. But, what if the killer is actually the one that wanted Liz dead, and didn't hire anyone? Wanted to kill Liz themselves? It makes sense to me. Their body language spoke it!

Did Liz do something to someone, or did someone want Liz out of the way for whatever reason, or what would the motive be? Motive would lead to the killer… I am sure of it.

Who benefits most from the death? Number one question with LE, right?

Someone knows something, and probably dont realize their information is important.

My thoughts, only and topped off with a little spitballing
 
arielilane said:
Allegedly...

Whether it be the shooter or the person who hired the shooter, someone did not want the Barraza’s to make the Orlando trip? But, then they would have known about the garage sale? Only a small circle of people knew about the garage sale. Of course, it is possible neighbors saw the signs go up.

The killer appeared adamant that S not be present and waited until S was out of the way before shooting Liz.

We know that the killer drove back by the crime scene- did the killer hear sirens, even after shooting off those four (4) rounds of deafening gunshots! Did they have no other choice but to turn around and drive back by the crime scene?

Speculation: Did an earplug drop out of the killer's ear(s)

Definitively, the killer’s only intention was to kill Liz? It wasn’t a robbery, a mistaken identity, road rage or neighborhood rage of some sort or anything else? It looked very personal.

It looked so personal. I'm so curious the connection between killer and person that contracted the killer. The killer made it look personal... aggressively walked up very quickly toward Liz with purpose. But, what if the killer is actually the one that wanted Liz dead, and didn't hire anyone? Wanted to kill Liz themselves? It makes sense to me. Their body language spoke it!

Did Liz do something to someone, or did someone want Liz out of the way for whatever reason, or what would the motive be? Motive would lead to the killer… I am sure of it.

Who benefits most from the death? Number one question with LE, right?

Someone knows something, and probably dont realize their information is important.

My thoughts, only and topped off with a little spitballing
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Lot of good questions/discussion points here.

Two cents on each:

-I am pretty confident that the garage sale did have something to do with the timing of the murder, and equally confident that the upcoming trip did not.

-I don't remember the layout of the neighborhood or whether they had "no choice" but to go back by the scene, but even if there was an alternative way out they may not have known about it if they were unfamiliar with the neighborhood.

-It does seem extremely personal. The only thing you mentioned that I don't completely rule out is mistaken identity. I think that is highly unlikely, but to me it's not out of the question.

-I think it's slightly more likely that the killer was hired, but it's almost a coin flip. I definitely don't have a strong opinion on that.

-Motive is really the hardest part here. The only people who might have a legitimate motive I would think would have already been arrested if they had been responsible. In terms of who benefits, I would look first at not who stands to gain from the murder, but at who has a problem removed as a result of the murder. (I am not pointing at a particular person here, just to be clear.)
 
Some things I have developed a mild opinion on over the last year (meaning it could easily not be the case, but atm it feels ever so slightly more likely to be like that).
1. The killer is more likely to be the person who wanted her dead (or one of the people), the motive was personal
2. The killer was searching Liz on google for at least some time before the crime
3. The killer is more likely to not be very local (arrived from at least somewhat elsewhere, might have had that Friday off)
4. Liz did not recognize the killer initially - she might have later (so someone she did not expect at that time and place)
5. While the crime was planned, the killer was not super smart nor organized, that might point to someone "not fluent in crime", someone "high in emotion", someone "with poor executive function" or all of the above.
6. While the killer might be a loner, he or she did have some obligations back at home (not necessarily in the sense of house/family) - the whole thing seems a bit rushed.

Questions:
a) Why drive quickly by the house in the dark at 2AM?
b) Where was the car between the drive and the attack?
c) Why turn into the school parking lot?
d) What was the purpose of the school parking lot break and the following "concealing on a different street"?
e) When arriving, why does the car initially pass Liz (at a rather high speed) and turn around?
f) Why speak to Liz before killing her?
g) Why turn back to the crime scene after the initial escape?
h) Did anything noteworthy happen in Liz's life during the past year? Was she somehow mentioned in some sort of media that the killer might have seen? Did she attend any events where she might have met or re-met someone? (still kinda interested in early August, though I don't really believe the search data any more)

I'm assuming Liz did not marry her first bf ever. Are there people around who know about her previous relationships (including short-term informal ones) and has such information been forwarded to the police?
Was the earlier odd burglary at Liz's and S's home a coincidence or part of something?
Was the gun "borrowed"/purchased for just that crime (I think that's likely re: shot locations and video) and does the gun owner/seller know about the death of Liz?
Was the car borrowed/purchased for just that crime (I think that's somewhat likely re: three-point-turn) and does the car owner/seller know about the death of Liz?
 
Did not plan to double-post, but now reading what I wrote I also want to try to add a very different angle:
maybe it was not the aim to kill Liz specifically. Maybe during that 2AM drive by they did not yet know they would kill her - they were either high on something or looking for a victim or just driving around. Maybe they planned to shoot the first person they see and that happened to be Liz. Would explain the drive by and turn back.
Could be a psychotic person, or maybe some sort of a gang thing, or just pure hate and evil game like with mass shooters.
I know it would not explain the google searches... But we also have no guarantee about the google searches. Just adding angles.
 
Liz's parents' website has been updated and "more coming soon"

www.whokilledlizbarraza.com

Who Killed Liz Barraza

A website about Liz Nuelle Barraza and the details around her brutal murder on January 25, 2019 at the hands of a coward.
www.whokilledlizbarraza.com


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January 25, 2024 KPRC2 / Click2Houston 10 AM news Hour with Sofia Ojeda and Owen Conflenti:

Segment 1: Featuring Sgt. Michael Ritchie & Corley Peel

Segment 2 Featuring Bob & Rosemary Nuelle

Segment 3 Featuring Crime Stoppers Rania Mankarious & Andy Kahan

January 25, 2024 Press Conference at Crime Stoppers of Houston
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arielilane said:
Liz's parents' website has been updated and "more coming soon"

www.whokilledlizbarraza.com

Who Killed Liz Barraza

A website about Liz Nuelle Barraza and the details around her brutal murder on January 25, 2019 at the hands of a coward.
www.whokilledlizbarraza.com


whokilledlizbarraza.com

Links to Press and Media

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whokilledlizbarraza.com

Fifth Anniversary Media Coverage We really focused on getting coverage for the 5th Anniversary. Thanks to all who assisted.


December 8, 2023 ABC13-Jessica Willey

December 8, 2023 KPRC2 / Click2Houston KPRC 2 Corley Peel

January 5, 2026 - Fox26 -Randy Wallace FOX 26

January 24, 2024 ABC13-Jessica Willey

January 25, 2024 KPRC2 / Click2Houston 10 AM news Hour with Sofia Ojeda and Owen Conflenti:

Segment 1: Featuring Sgt. Michael Ritchie & Corley Peel

Segment 2 Featuring Bob & Rosemary Nuelle

Segment 3 Featuring Crime Stoppers Rania Mankarious & Andy Kahan

January 25, 2024 Press Conference at Crime Stoppers of Houston
Facebook Link
Instagram Link

January 26 2024 Crime Online - Nancy Grace
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Thanks. Her parents seem like incredible people. The world has definitely suffered a huge loss without Liz being in it. I feel that LE are getting closer and closer to finding the perp.
 
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