TX - Hailey Dunn, 13, Colorado City, 27 Dec 2010 - #18

[czgtz]

Thank you so much for posting czgtz. You are a true friend no matter what the outcome.

I think it's time for emotion as far as BD is concerned. I know she feels it. It's time to plead for her daughter's return. JMO.

I do believe she made a bad choice. I also agree that I have second guessed myself a million times where my sons were concerned. I don't think she is a "crappy mother," I just don't want her to spend any time worrying about it on NG. Honestly, I want her to answer NG's questions succintly, address HD personally, say what she believes about SA and plead with whomever she believes is involved. I speak only for myself, but when she said she "lost her daughter" on NG, I felt resignation from BD. In my own defense, I apologize for looking so closely at that statement.

I agree with your thoughts on SA. You seem ready to accept the potential of SA's involvement. I don't believe BD was celebrating New Year's Eve. SA "drinking a beer" worries me to no end. I am confused about your post stating that "I can't believe he (SA) isn't"...and that he is an "idiot"...and that BD is "holding on to that same hope that he (SA) isn't" involved. Are you sure BD isn't inadvertantly protecting SA because she's in shock?

What did you post that "the chances of Hailey still being with us are slim?" I want to support BD like you do. I just can't help but believe that, with everything you've told us about her, she isn't pleading with whomever she believes has HD to bring her home. I acknowledge that CD even said that he can't believe BD would hurt either of her children. That's says a lot to me. I'm not bashing BD. I just want more offense than defense from her.

Honestly, I guess I just need to quit posting. I feel like I am being clear, but evidently I am not. MOO - if God forbid SA took Hailey, then I dont think it was to hide her out somewhere. Through this site, I have discovered a dark, demented side of someone who has actually been in my home, and I am sick over it.

I really hope Hailey simply ran away and is safe somewhere. I am barely holding on to that by a thread. I think Billie is desperately holding on to it too.

I cant answer for what Billie does or does not say on TV... grief, stress, worry - maybe she cant hold on to her thoughts.

Once more, I do not believe Billie has anything to do with Hailey's disappearance or any knowledge of where she is or what has happened to her, nor is she protecting anyone.

 

[sarx]

Guilty or innocent, I'm not sure how much having a beer comes into play in determining that? Alcohol is a known method of stress relief and I would think this would qualify as a stressful situation. JMO. Why is it such a focus and concern?

 

[czgtz]

Everyone please continue to pray for Hailey's safe return, and for God to keep His hand on Hailey and everyone who loves her.

 

[dodie20]

And as soon as she hires a lawyer, everyone will be wondering why is she hiding behind a lawyer.

People will say that she shouldn't be worrying about herself, that she should only be worried about her daughter.

Honestly, she's in a no win position. No matter what she says or does, she's going to be wrong one way or another. Someone will find fault with any little tidbit, just like which way her eyes or looking, or if it looks like she's hesitating with an answer, or whatever. All of that has been discussed here. So just imagine what would be said if she hired a lawyer tomorrow, no matter right she would be to do so.

I don't think so, & this is why. My brother is an attorney, so I'm a supporter, & my daughter has been in trouble twice, (not too serious), & let me tell ya, lol...after hiring a lawyer, cops treat you a whole lot differently. They quit jacking with you, & keep things on the up & up. My daughter talked to those guys until she was blue in the face, but it didn't help. The lawyer did. & when you walk in front of a judge, a lawyer makes the difference. you could say the exact same thing, word for word, that a lawyer would, but it would go in 1 ear & out the other. I don't think this LE is corrupt, but I know from experience, that cops do jack with you, & lawyers put a stop to that.

 

[Brwnigirl]

What specifically makes me think that if SA is involved that Hailey is most likely dead? Seriously? Have you read all the posts and followed all the links? I feel like screaming when I think of my kids even having ever been in the same room as him.

Yes, but I guess I meant did you or your family, personally, have some type of encounter or observe something we don't know, based on your close relationship with BD?

 

[sarx]

I don't think so, & this is why. My brother is an attorney, so I'm a supporter, & my daughter has been in trouble twice, (not too serious), & let me tell ya, lol...after hiring a lawyer, cops treat you a whole lot differently. They quit jacking with you, & keep things on the up & up. My daughter talked to those guys until she was blue in the face, but it didn't help. The lawyer did. & when you walk in front of a judge, a lawyer makes the difference. you could say the exact same thing, word for word, that a lawyer would, but it would go in 1 ear & out the other. I don't think this LE is corrupt, but I know from experience, that cops do jack with you, & lawyers put a stop to that.

You are right. I think the other poster is thinking more from the public perception side. Personally I say "bleep" the public view, do what you need to do in order to get results, that's all that matters. Yes, the public is going to look at you like you lawyered up because you are guilty, that's a fact. But, if you're not guilty then it doesn't really matter, what matters is getting things done. And... well, if you are guilty, then you're gonna need that lawyer too.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Honestly, I guess I just need to quit posting. I feel like I am being clear, but evidently I am not. MOO - if God forbid SA took Hailey, then I dont think it was to hide her out somewhere. Through this site, I have discovered a dark, demented side of someone who has actually been in my home, and I am sick over it.

I really hope Hailey simply ran away and is safe somewhere. I am barely holding on to that by a thread. I think Billie is desperately holding on to it too.

I cant answer for what Billie does or does not say on TV... grief, stress, worry - maybe she cant hold on to her thoughts.

Once more, I do not believe Billie has anything to do with Hailey's disappearance or any knowledge of where she is or what has happened to her, nor is she protecting anyone.

I think on every case we all hold on to that thread of hope. We want Hailey to come home also. You are a good friend and I am so glad she has you. I hope you will keep posting here.

 

[SuperChicken]

Guilty or innocent, I'm not sure how much having a beer comes into play in determining that? Alcohol is a known method of stress relief and I would think this would qualify as a stressful situation. JMO. Why is it such a focus and concern?

Again, JMO, but for the reason that because he had a beer on New Year's Eve it ended up being on NG and in a press realease that made it look suspicious. If the media sensationalized it for no reason then my apologies. I commented on it because it was presented in the media. With all of the reports about drugs (street or prescribed), delayed polygraphs because of anxiety medication and ATM withdrawals for alleged drug purchases, it seemed like a bad decision.

 

[dodie20]

You are right. I think the other poster is thinking more from the public perception side. Personally I say "bleep" the public view, do what you need to do in order to get results, that's all that matters. Yes, the public is going to look at you like you lawyered up because you are guilty, that's a fact. But, if you're not guilty then it doesn't really matter, what matters is getting things done. And... well, if you are guilty, then you're gonna need that lawyer too.

exactly. my daughter was as guilty as sin. She got into a fight with 2 girls, & admitted to throwing the 1st punch...but she had her reasons, & just wanted the cops to understand. They didn't care about the whys, just that she swung 1st. & the irony? the judge DID care about the whys & she won that case. & on a side note...both of those girls were bigger than her, but she whooped them pretty good, so they pressed charges. (out of embarrassment, I think). My daughter has a deeper voice, so when the cops talked to her, on the phone, I'm sure they pictured a big bully, but in fact, she's a slim, beautiful blond. Their mouths, literally, dropped open, when they met her. At the hearing, the city attorney, referred to the 2 girls, as 'little darlings', & my sweet looking daughter, tore him a new one. He appologized, & shut up.

 

[Whisperer]

I apologize if this question has been asked and answered. How long has BD lived on Chestnut?

 

[Whisperer]

I have her with a different last name living way out on Champion76 in Colorado City. I don't know when she lived there.

 

[SuperChicken]

exactly. my daughter was as guilty as sin. She got into a fight with 2 girls, & admitted to throwing the 1st punch...but she had her reasons, & just wanted the cops to understand. They didn't care about the whys, just that she swung 1st. & the irony? the judge DID care about the whys & she won that case. & on a side note...both of those girls were bigger than her, but she whooped them pretty good, so they pressed charges. (out of embarrassment, I think). My daughter has a deeper voice, so when the cops talked to her, on the phone, I'm sure they pictured a big bully, but in fact, she's a slim, beautiful blond. Their mouths, literally, dropped open, when they met her. At the hearing, the city attorney, referred to the 2 girls, as 'little darlings', & my sweet looking daughter, tore him a new one. He appologized, & shut up.

I agree with you and sarx. I would "lawyer up" no matter what. I wouldn't want the cops "jacking with me," and I do believe a lawyer would definitely make it stop. I also would hope that would make them look at other more realistic and plausible options. On that note, you also admitted your daughter was "guilty as sin." You also explained the extenuating circumstances. Your daughter fought for herself and you are definitely a proud parent. I understand that hindsight is 20/20. BD, in my opinion, is innocent of harming HD. ANYONE can make a better parenting decision after the fact. Maybe a lawyer could present her case better for her both with LE and the media. If HD is out there alive somewhere, we need to remove every obstacle keeping LE from reaching her. JMO.

 

[dodie20]

I agree with you and sarx. I would "lawyer up" no matter what. I wouldn't want the cops "jacking with me," and I do believe a lawyer would definitely make it stop. I also would hope that would make them look at other more realistic and plausible options. On that note, you also admitted your daughter was "guilty as sin." You also explained the extenuating circumstances. Your daughter fought for herself and you are definitely a proud parent. I understand that hindsight is 20/20. BD, in my opinion, is innocent of harming HD. ANYONE can make a better parenting decision after the fact. Maybe a lawyer could present her case better for her both with LE and the media. If HD is out there alive somewhere, we need to remove every obstacle keeping LE from reaching her. JMO.

I'm not saying that Billie hurt her daughter. IDK, but I lean more to her covering for Shawn. I'm sorry to her supporters, but that's how I'm interpreting things. But even if that or something worse is true, there are always extenuating circumstances, & she needs legal help. I think everybody, especially in a situation like this, should exercise their right to an attorney. She reminds me of an ocean buoy, just floating around, by herself.

 

[Lera213]

psychopaths and or predators seek out single woman, working long hours, easily controlled, and blah blah blah. SA did that in this case, he was searching for a target and found one but, BD was cautious, so SA took his time to gain her trust because he knew what his ultimate target would be. It took SA some time to perfect his plan of action. I also believe he probably watched TV news about little Jonathan's murder and this intensified him to make his move.

Again, I was a strong woman, with a lot of common sense but my eyes were still closed to my X abusive, manipulated ways. That part of my history I can say now, looking back, I'm lucky to be alive. I know what a predator can do especially one who studied it closely.

 

[Whisperer]

Once they lawyer up, the case is dead. LE can't get information. They cannot solve the case or get any closer to solving it either. If there is no body and no evidence, I sure hope none of these people lawyer up. The mother should have called the other parent as soon as she got home. She didn't.

What are BDs work hours? She starts at 7:00am. I would think her day is over at 3:00 or 3:30pm. She never called to find out if Haleigh got there, etc? She simply believed her live-in boyfriend of 4 months? Crazy behavior. BD or w/e must have a pretty good idea of what happened, imo.

 

[Brwnigirl]

I'm surprised no attorney has stepped up and offered to represent BD.

 

[Whisperer]

I have no idea why ANYONE would want to download the crimes of Ed Kemper. If that is true, that concerns me greatly. I'm hoping that was just gossip and not true when the media reported the interest one or both have in him.

 

[yosande]

Once they lawyer up, the case is dead. LE can't get information. They cannot solve the case or get any closer to solving it either. If there is no body and no evidence, I sure hope none of these people lawyer up. The mother should have called the other parent as soon as she got home. She didn't.

What are BDs work hours? She starts at 7:00am. I would think her day is over at 3:00 or 3:30pm. She never called to find out if Haleigh got there, etc? She simply believed her live-in boyfriend of 4 months? Crazy behavior. BD or w/e must have a pretty good idea of what happened, imo.

In her defense, she leaves home at about 6:30 am. She works a 12 hour shift, likely 4 days a week, or works those crazy hospital schedules that make them so darn weary. Even 4 12 hour days for a three day weekend is hard.

Coming home 12 hours later, and exhausted, going to bed by 9pm, so she could get up the next day. Yeah she should have called, but she didn't. She trusted her daughter to be where she said she was going to be. She trusted that her bf was telling her the truth. It was the holiday break, kids that age spend nights with friends all the time. You don't expect anything bad to happen, and more so in a small town where everyone knows everyone else from birth to the grave. You feel safe.

And she thought she knew this guy very well. In the home 4 months but with him for two years or more. She didn't just willy nilly move some stranger into the home. His grandma lives in the same town as her, and his mom lives in the next town over. We don't know where he was born, but probably in the hospital she works in, just like everyone else around there.

jmo oc.

 

[yosande]

I have no idea why ANYONE would want to download the crimes of Ed Kemper. If that is true, that concerns me greatly. I'm hoping that was just gossip and not true when the media reported the interest one or both have in him.

oh man, now I've got to go google him.
:blowkiss:

I still luv ya though, Whisperer :seeya:

ETA; I wish I hadn't done that, but wow that would have been one big flipping clue to remove his sorry arse from her home and as far from her kids as possible.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I have no idea why ANYONE would want to download the crimes of Ed Kemper. If that is true, that concerns me greatly. I'm hoping that was just gossip and not true when the media reported the interest one or both have in him.

It's not gossip Whisperer...but that doesn't worry me near as much as some of the rest of the info in these docs does...

open docs about halfway down on the right..
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=330656