TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, & Margot Carey, 2 weeks, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #3

[Angleterre]

Interestingly, there were two words that the Detective used which caught my attention.
The first was referring to the disappearance as ‘unique ‘ - so this could be outside of the norm and not what we normally expect or a special case, one confined to its own facts, and therefore may not be of broader application. ( as per definition of unique).

So that could mean that the immediate thought of the partner has harmed them both or the theory that nefarious activity has taken place (other than the partner ) or she left of her own accord, it may be neither and something outside of the norm - but what ? Unless he used the word as a broad term and I am looking into it too deeply...

The other word what caught my attention was he called it an OFFENCE and then corrected himself. Was that a Freudian slip ? To me, that is very telling because he is thinking about the circumstances as being an offence or he’s thinking that the actual situation happened because there was an offence that occurred... Interesting! I would like to hear your thoughts on this fellow WS members.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Just saw the PC and it was a big nothing burger. All we were told is that agencies were added to the case. And that they need the public’s help. And there are no POIs at this time but everything is still open.

I don't think so. I think they are doing very thorough job.

 

[MSangi81]

As other people have said but maybe not clearly enough, until the school calls SC, he doesn't know that he should be worried about his son. Without said call, an innocent SC could just think that Son went off with Heidi and Margot, and that Heidi was successful in picking him up.



Does this one seem like he has any household responsibilities, though?



Maybe all the family were out at the police station with the police, being interviewed simultaneously. If you're onto a hot lead, you're onto a hot lead; and probably don't want to release your witnesses in the middle of it. Maybe that's why the PC started late.



IMO, the point of this question is, once you see that Heidi has a newborn, what type of trafficker is going to kidnap her on the spot, instead of just quietly veering away to look for a more plausible kidnap victim? The randomology (not a word I know) of such a trafficker being hell-bent on abducting Heidi in particular and not being discouraged, seems unlikely; as does the prospect of someone taking her to sexually assault (what would they then do with the baby, even if they had some type of hotel room? Even if said attacker was interested in raping someone when they started out their day, who says that just because you're a rapist you're happy to leave someone's baby on the ground while you do the deed, or whatever?)



You keep seeing this, because people are trying hard to find a good rationale for SC to keep laughing, smirking etc. during the whole interview; and seemingly being unable to make a move in life without the advice of his father (is this what they mean about Millennials?).

I don't know if it is a millennial problem...... that seems kind of mean to say. I would think it may be more of a my girlfriend and daughter are missing and I need someone right now kind of thing... again, just speculation.

 

[SuperTmo]

I don't want to disappoint you, but Shane comes across as mildly mentally challenged - he's laughing inappropriately cause that's what he does. Shane won't be solving the problem of dark matter in the universe any time soon.

I don’t agree, but even if he is, it wouldn’t disappoint me. Why would you think it would? He was literally ranting about how he wants too look natural.

 

[SkylarSid]

I was watching the video again, so took a screenshot.

Maybe it's a pen? Not sure.

View attachment 220851

That sure looks like a syringe to me, IMO. Just edited because someone said a news agency said it was a microphone!

 

[afitzy]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=455880241778251

KVUE discussion about the case in advance of Press Conference.

 

[shinimeggie]

As stated before I don't think any amount of pot would make a person laugh when they are devastated by a tragedy of any sort.

That's beside the point that if your significant other and newborn are missing and you want to know what happened - WHO WOULD SMOKE in the first place?

Hm, a habitual smoker who smokes when they're stressed anyway? It's not addictive, but it is habit-forming, especially if you get used to doing it when you're emotional and/or stressed in some way. Bad day at work? Have a joint. Tired but not tired enough to sleep? Have a joint. Want to laugh hard at a bad movie? Have a joint. Been to a funeral? Have two joints.

I'm not saying that his behaviour isn't weird, or even that it's excusable if he had been smoking weed -- I have no strong opinion if this guy is a drug user, though the conversation is interesting. But some people do use weed habitual every time they face a problem they can't do anything to solve, or when they're particularly emotional, good or bad, and even as a response to an emotion they don't want to feel, like any drug. It's not so unbelievable that a habitual smoker doesn't just stop doing it in times of extreme stress.

 

[dkryder]

No. I smoke once in a blue moon and get that way. While I rarely smoke now, I've smoked a lot in my lifetime and that's exactly why I stopped. The laughing is good and the jumpy anxiety is not. I know a lot of people who react the same.

for me, when anything got real serious the whole high thing collapsed very quickly. nothing was funny. so it's hard for me to understand how someone can still find any humor in the moment life is crashing in on themselves.

 

[GordianKnot]

"I'm just wondering how many of those hours SC will be accounted for, as verified by witnesses."
Clearly that was the elephant in the room in that PC.

Or, to be more precise, that's the elephant that was not in the room at that PC.

If you catch my drift.

 

[Artis]

Well, it wasn't a Whopper cheese w/ everything, but LE did give us a little bit of meat to chew on:

• MC and HB were first reported missing to the APD at around 7:30 pm
• LE believes the last known location for both is the apartment complex where they live, and that they were there "some time that morning"
• LE does have digital evidence that they're analyzing, i.e., they're tracking HB's electronic footprints.

The fact that no one has seen either of them since that morning is likely significant in that it's helping LE to fix the parameters of their critical window of time.

The fact that their outside window doesn't close until 7:30 p.m. is definitely not helpful.

Hours and hours for which the two of them are unaccounted.

I'm just wondering how many of those hours SC will be able to account for...as verified by witnesses.

Actually, LE not saying a lot said a lot.

Gotta' love the paradox.

JMO.

Hey, did you catch the reporter who asked him if they'd been able to account for SC's time between 2-and when he picked up his son? Me neither.

 

[hivee]

His girlfriend and daughter are missing. I'd say that would explain his odd demeanor.

dbm

 

[Trudie]

Heidi’s mom & dad made a couple comments on NBC but the link isn’t up yet.
The reporter caught up with SC as he walked his dog.

 

[Hatfield]

Well, it wasn't a Whopper cheese w/ everything, Xtra mayo, Xtra pickle, but LE did give give us a little bit of meat to chew on:

• MC and HB were first reported missing to the APD at around 7:30 pm
• LE believes the last known location for both is the apartment complex where they live, and that they were there "some time that morning"
• They do have digital evidence that they're analyzing, i.e., they're analyzing and tracking HB's electronic footprints.

The fact that no one has seen either of them since that morning is likely significant in that it's helping LE to fix the parameters of their critical window of time.

The fact that their outside window doesn't close until 7:30 p.m. is definitely not helpful.

Hours and hours for which the two of them are unaccounted.

I'm just wondering how many of those hours SC will be accounted for, as verified by witnesses.

JMO.

Good points.

Im hopeful and thinking that there is plenty that LE is working on. They have SC's entire story to check out and much of it can either be validated or not validated by checking with people, places, and electronic media to prove what he has been telling them.

LE also has any and all home security video's and also close by business videos near the road near her apartment that should provide some validation of at least some of the vehicles going to and from her place.

In some of these cases after all is said and done, we are sometimes amazed at the video that was captured from places we never would have thought would have been able to help capture things. Like a close by business.

In the sad Hania Aguilar case, LE was able to get video of a suspect walking on the streets towards her house area and then more video of him driving away with her and which way they turned.

Lets hope in the near future they are able to narrow this down to what has happened.

Praying both can still be returned home safely somehow.

 

[SkylarSid]

There would be a lot of people who knew she was pregnant with the line of work she does. Other staff and or the people who she serves every day while working. Someone who wanted a baby could have easily befriended her and be the culprit here. I just don’t think it’s the fiancé/bf in this case. I realize his discrepancies in his interviews but I think stress and worry was a lot of it. Moo. I pray for a good outcome but unless there’s a big break soon, I don’t see that happening. So sad for the family. My prayers will continue. Bless them all!

I think infant abduction is a huge possibility. And then I think he may very well have done it also. IMO. At this point we really know nothing. There was a case in Virginia Beach where the partner/ father of the baby shoved his wife down the stairs and killed her. Then he looked up what happens to trash that is in dumpsters on the Internet. He finally broke down and confessed and then the family released a statement stating they know her body will never be found.

 

[Alathea]

Ok I found this article that is very in depth.

https://polarisproject.org/sites/default/files/2017NHTHStats (1).pdf

It does track the age at which the trafficking occurred. It’s 19 for sex trafficking and somewhat older for labor trafficking. Another part that is interesting in there is the “recruitment tactics for sex trafficking”. In the tracking of around 2,100 cases, over 80o of them were lured by posing as a benefactor, a job offer, or by false promises or fraud. Any of the above could happen to a white woman of age. I think those (not saying it’s you) who say that it could only happen to the mentally ill, homeless, etc are oversimplifying the issue. To me it sounds too much like “good white females wouldn’t get into this predicament.”

Thanks for further researching it. Yes, it's usually young women.

I definitely don't think it's just the mentally ill, homeless - anything like that. Nor do I think "good white females" aren't abducted. I don't think anyone on here is saying that.

I think what experienced sleuthers are thinking is, given the information we have already, it definitely does not fit this case.

Furthermore, it's an excuse that's all-too-often given initially when women have been killed, and it's not a realistic one.

It's like the "Gone Girl" conspiracy theory contrived by the defense in the Jennifer Dulos case. Disgusting, in fact.

Let's face it. We're all on here because men kill their wives and girlfriends all too often. It's the sad, but all too true, fact.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I don't know if it is a millennial problem...... that seems kind of mean to say. I would think it may be more of a my girlfriend and daughter are missing and I need someone right now kind of thing... again, just speculation.

*shrug*... I'm in my forties and I live several hours away from my parents as a singleton and don't much miss them, so I guess I've got a different angle on the situation.

I go through surgeries, and I get a medical escort. My parents have offered to come and get me but my apartment is a studio, so I've always demurred.

I call them on the phone and ask their advice about jobs, cooking, laundry questions, etc., so I can see him asking his dad for advice on the phone; but this running around with SC to check out cell phone stores and dumpsters is a little out of my ken. IMO, MOO, YMMV, etc.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Interestingly, there were two words that the Detective used which caught my attention.
The first was referring to the disappearance as ‘unique ‘ - so this could be outside of the norm and not what we normally expect or a special case, one confined to its own facts, and therefore may not be of broader application. ( as per definition of unique).

So that could mean that the immediate thought of the partner has harmed them both or the theory that nefarious activity has taken place (other than the partner ) or she left of her own accord, it may be neither and something outside of the norm - but what ? Unless he used the word as a broad term and I am looking into it too deeply...

The other word what caught my attention was he called it an OFFENCE and then corrected himself. Was that a Freudian slip ? To me, that is very telling because he is thinking about the circumstances as being an offence or he’s thinking that the actual situation happened because there was an offence that occurred... Interesting! I would like to hear your thoughts on this fellow WS members.

When he said it was "unique" I think he was framing that from the point of view of the Austin Police Department. They've not dealt with too many of these types of cases in Austin. In the grand scheme of things, sadly, this case doesn't seem all that unique to me.

I think you are spot on in his use of the word "offense". I think he did not mean to reveal that card just yet.

 

[Seajay]

When reading how people carry their keys, it shows just how different we all are. And how individualized we all are. What we do and the way we do it, is not necessarily the way everyone else does it or it should/has to be done. To our way.

Also reading about pot smoking and when one would do it or when they wouldn’t. I don’t smoke port at all and never did, so whether dude was a stoner or not, if he had the munchies or not, I couldn’t say.

We each bring our own experience to this forum. It doesn’t make ours right and someone else’s wrong. I’m being uncomfortable with seeing how things can only be one way. IMHO Thank you.

 

[Thespyma]

Change the time to 1 PM tomorrow and it will show 20 minutes.

This is from the day of the disappearance...In my experience it always takes the higher time to get places. The lower estimate always seems to elude me...

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Or, to be more precise, that's the elephant that was not in the room at that PC.

If you catch my drift.

Touche