TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, & Margot Carey, 2 weeks, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #3

[Artis]

Hm, a habitual smoker who smokes when they're stressed anyway? It's not addictive, but it is habit-forming, especially if you get used to doing it when you're emotional and/or stressed in some way. Bad day at work? Have a joint. Tired but not tired enough to sleep? Have a joint. Want to laugh hard at a bad movie? Have a joint. Been to a funeral? Have two joints.

I'm not saying that his behaviour isn't weird, or even that it's excusable if he had been smoking weed -- I have no strong opinion if this guy is a drug user, though the conversation is interesting. But some people do use weed habitual every time they face a problem they can't do anything to solve, or when they're particularly emotional, good or bad, and even as a response to an emotion they don't want to feel, like any drug. It's not so unbelievable that a habitual smoker doesn't just stop doing it in times of extreme stress.

Thank you and that's exactly how it is with regular pot smokers. Some might have a drink (booze), some might take a Xanax or something similar and some are going to smoke some weed to try and relieve the stress.

 

[Thespyma]

I bet not!

@MassGuy turned me on to a really good Netflix show called Unbelievable (please no spoilers on here for those who haven’t seen it). It shows what really goes on during an intensive criminal investigation. It’s actually 100% based on a true story. Very engaging and really brings home how hard this job is.

Also, I think about the investigators of the CW case. They didn’t fare well in the aftermath due to the mental strain. Very sad toll it takes.

I agree, no rest for the weary investigators! We never rested, coffee was our best friend and sleep came in small cat naps. I know they are working very hard on this!

 

[Alathea]

Hm, a habitual smoker who smokes when they're stressed anyway? It's not addictive, but it is habit-forming, especially if you get used to doing it when you're emotional and/or stressed in some way. Bad day at work? Have a joint. Tired but not tired enough to sleep? Have a joint. Want to laugh hard at a bad movie? Have a joint. Been to a funeral? Have two joints.

I'm not saying that his behaviour isn't weird, or even that it's excusable if he had been smoking weed -- I have no strong opinion if this guy is a drug user, though the conversation is interesting. But some people do use weed habitual every time they face a problem they can't do anything to solve, or when they're particularly emotional, good or bad, and even as a response to an emotion they don't want to feel, like any drug. It's not so unbelievable that a habitual smoker doesn't just stop doing it in times of extreme stress.

OK. Agreed. If he's an habitual user, not likely he'd just stop.

But the laughing? I've watched the indoors unedited video many times, and even considering he might be smoking the most potent weed in the world (um -- before going on live video about his gf and baby going missing, knowing full well he's a suspect -- even some habitual smokers might abstain in that case?), it's not appropriate laughing - even stoned or nervous as hell.

Just no way, IMO, that being stoned would supersede the emotions of tragedy - if one was really truly upset and not involved. Just my thoughts.

 

[Thespyma]

Me too. Usually keys are around my neck or in my hand. Phone in my hand but also often in my bag.

Same here. I have a lanyard for my keys and phone in hand almost everywhere I go. Just that one time wanting to work out in peace at the apartment amenities building gym...not doing that again.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I'm pretty stumped on this one. The presser was disappointing in that we learned nothing new. I don't believe though, that LE knows nothing new. As usual, they're not sharing what they do have and that's as it should be. I still don't know how I'm leaning, but I'm open to any and all scenarios. Stranger abduction is at the bottom of the list. Imo
In comparing the two videos, it's obvious he was much calmer in the one with his dad. Do we know which interview was first? The wild one or the one with dad? Also, do we know if he went to pick up the boy at school or did his dad go?
The erratic video reminds me of a guy I used to work with who took energy pills and drank energy drinks all the time. He couldn't hold still at all or keep his train of thought. He also drank water all the time. He's also dead. He died of a massive heart attack at age 33.
As far as the crying and then laughing, I've seen that too. Nerves and anxiety can cause this, but so can lying, so there's that. Moo

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Lester will have an interview with Heidi’s mom & dad according to his teaser at top of newscast.

Lester Holt? He's the best.

 

[UnderstandBlue]

This is from the day of the disappearance...In my experience it always takes the higher time to get places. The lower estimate always seems to elude me...

HA! Only a crazy person would take 35 for that route. The quickest route is down Mopac. 35 is a dumpster fire 24/7. That's part of the problem with not driving this every day. I've been driving that corridor for 30 years.

 

[bestill]

The NBC interview showed a brief clip from the presser today, a statement from SC, he was more distressed today, imo, said the fact that she hasn't contacted her friends scares him. Her parents made a statement too, they said she was fine when they last saw her Tuesday, very worried it was unlike her and she would never do this or leave her child. Begging for news from or about her or her to be found.

 

[bestill]

I agree, no rest for the weary investigators! We never rested, coffee was our best friend and sleep came in small cat naps. I know they are working very hard on this!

And running on adrenaline I would imagine!

 

[CrackThatCase]

My first thought when I read about this case was that it was a fake or orchestrated disappearance for money and attention. As I continue to read through the information and watch interviews, I still can't seem to shake that feeling.

I just hope that both are soon found safe and well.

 

[ajaylee]

But why would she leave her purse behind? Unless she had cash etc in a smaller wallet or something.

Yeah, and it makes a big difference whether the purse was in the house or left in an unlocked car.

If I go for a walk in the neighborhood, I take my keys (all my keys are on one ring) and my phone.

I do not, however, ever leave my bag in an unlocked car for a single moment, not even in the driveway. I did that once years ago when dropping a child off at a baby-sitter's front door 20 feet away and my purse was stolen. If I came home with a baby and too much to carry into the house in one load, I would lock the car while I took the first load into the house.

 

[shinimeggie]

OK. Agreed. If he's an habitual user, not likely he'd just stop.

But the laughing? I've watched the indoors unedited video many times, and even considering he might be smoking the most potent weed in the world (um -- before going on live video about his gf and baby going missing, knowing full well he's a suspect), it's not appropriate laughing - even stoned or nervous as hell.

Just no way, IMO, that being stoned would supersede the emotions of tragedy - if one was really truly upset and not involved. Just my thoughts.

Oh no, I agree with you, largely. I can't say how I'd react if I was in his same situation, sober or otherwise, but I can say with an almost (almost, no promises though!) certainty that I wouldn't get a fit of the giggles right then, during the interview proper in particular. Thankfully, I haven't yet been in a situation as intense and emotional as this, but that does mean unlike some here, I can't predict my own behaviour, especially if I was on something at the time.

Still -- I'm not him, I don't even know if he's a drug user, I don't know if he has a disorder that could make him act inappropriately at times like this, I'm not in his head, and I have no strong feelings either way on the guy. He could be stoned, and that wouldn't help his emotional response and general spaciness, or he could be stone cold sober and have another reason that he's acting/reacting in that way. Like I said, I just don't know, I can't get a read on him.

 

[CrackThatCase]

Deleted repetitive post: For some reason, it posted twice.

 

[gitana1]

That wasn't my (personal, it may have been the OP's) point. All I was saying is, broadly, as a substance and with its use, anyone can get a case of the giggles if it's their first joint or their 500th. I just don't like common misconceptions of drug use, I have no strong feeling if he's a stoner or not, or if his behaviour is impacted by weed or not; that's not my point here.

I know pot. I know of no regular users who would get giggly or smiley at a time like that. And I think it would be unlikely for someone to suddenly decide to get super high when their family is missing but not be a regular user.

To me it’s just another leap to explain away his behavior and make it not have a sinister connotation. I saw so much of that on the CW threads. And the Kelsey case. And various other cases.

“Well maybe he..”

Anything is possible but I’m just doing my own public analysis of the case. When I start to see an ever-increasing number of excuses for a number of different anomalies it just tells me something about a case.

I think we all have different approaches to a case. Some go by their emotions. Some try to find every way possible to find a reason why the most common outcome doesn’t fit in a given case.

For me I, mostly compare to other cases and focus on norms of human behavior.

 

[Seajay]

When he said it was "unique" I think he was framing that from the point of view of the Austin Police Department. They've not dealt with too many of these types of cases in Austin. In the grand scheme of things, sadly, this case doesn't seem all that unique to me.

I think you are spot on in his use of the word "offense". I think he did not mean to reveal that card just yet.

Yeh, I caught that, too. Which to me meant there is some sort of crime in all this. IMO

 

[Alathea]

Oh no, I agree with you, largely. I can't say how I'd react if I was in his same situation, sober or otherwise, but I can say with an almost (almost, no promises though!) certainty that I wouldn't get a fit of the giggles right then, during the interview proper in particular. Thankfully, I haven't yet been in a situation as intense and emotional as this, but that does mean unlike some here, I can't predict my own behaviour, especially if I was on something at the time.

Still -- I'm not him, I don't even know if he's a drug user, I don't know if he has a disorder that could make him act inappropriately at times like this, I'm not in his head, and I have no strong feelings either way on the guy. He could be stoned, and that wouldn't help his emotional response and general spaciness, or he could be stone cold sober and have another reason that he's acting/reacting in that way. Like I said, I just don't know, I can't get a read on him.

Fair enough, @shinimeggie. We just have the limited information and videos at this point.

We all will draw our own conclusions from our own experience and from our knowledge of /experience with similar cases.

It's not likely anyone knows someone exactly like him, so we can't say for certain, but - it's not looking good from what I've seen so far.

Cool profile pic, BTW.

 

[gitana1]

I have a medical condition that makes my hands have small tremors, and anxiety on top of that. I get nervous and my hands go crazy. People often ask me if I'm on drugs or think im having withdrawals. I can only imagine what they would think about me in a situation like this. I don't think he appears high, and if he were- I wouldn't fault him for it. They would have to tranquilize me if it were my child.
I was responding to the poster you responded to.

I don’t think anyone is faulting him for it. They’re trying to find possible reasons for his odd behavior.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Hey, did you catch the reporter who asked him if they'd been able to account for SC's time between 2-and when he picked up his son? Me neither.

I’d like them to ask aBout SC from the time HB was placed in the apartment after school drop off to the time SC called 911, not just 2pm. So far those two times are the only times confirmed by LE, everything else has been SC’s word. And the space between morning drop off and 911 call is almost 12 hours!! So much can happen in that amount of time.

No one coming out in SC’s defense aside from his father has not gone unnoticed by me.

moo

 

[bestill]

I don’t think anyone is faulting him for it. They’re trying to find possible reasons for his odd behavior.

Exactly, he's been very odd during the interviews I've seen. In the brief clip tonight on NBC he was crying, tears pouring and he is very distressed, he said the fact that she hasn't contacted any of her friends scares him and he just doesn't know what to think or do. My words not his.

 

[gitana1]

As other people have said but maybe not clearly enough, until the school calls SC, he doesn't know that he should be worried about his son. Without said call, an innocent SC could just think that Son went off with Heidi and Margot, and that Heidi was successful in picking him up.



Does this one seem like he has any household responsibilities, though?



Maybe all the family were out at the police station with the police, being interviewed simultaneously. If you're onto a hot lead, you're onto a hot lead; and probably don't want to release your witnesses in the middle of it. Maybe that's why the PC started late.



IMO, the point of this question is, once you see that Heidi has a newborn, what type of trafficker is going to kidnap her on the spot, instead of just quietly veering away to look for a more plausible kidnap victim? The randomology (not a word I know) of such a trafficker being hell-bent on abducting Heidi in particular and not being discouraged, seems unlikely; as does the prospect of someone taking her to sexually assault (what would they then do with the baby, even if they had some type of hotel room? Even if said attacker was interested in raping someone when they started out their day, who says that just because you're a rapist you're happy to leave someone's baby on the ground while you do the deed, or whatever?)



You keep seeing this, because people are trying hard to find a good rationale for SC to keep laughing, smirking etc. during the whole interview; and seemingly being unable to make a move in life without the advice of his father (is this what they mean about Millennials?).

Agreed with all except she didn’t have her car. How is she picking up their son without a car? If on foot, without a purse or diaper bag after hung somewhere else for five hours?