GUILTY TX - Jubal Alexander, 24, found decapitated, Angleton, 27 April 2016

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I think that this type of group has the type of personality to commit this type of crime, but what would be the motive?

It wouldn't need to be a big motive, but an operation that needs to stay on the up and up would need a big reason to break protocol and take a head and possibly keep it.

A group like this would not want to leave this kind of evidence, nor would they have to...a truck could be disposed of or sent to another location.
 
SassyFrassy said:
I think that this type of group has the type of personality to commit this type of crime, but what would be the motive?

It wouldn't need to be a big motive, but an operation that needs to stay on the up and up would need a big reason to break protocol and take a head and possibly keep it.

A group like this would not want to leave this kind of evidence, nor would they have to...a truck could be disposed of or sent to another location.
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Why do they have to worry about being on the up and up when they can take a head and leave no clues nor take anything of value. And who will suspect it if the group is not well known and/or cops are afraid to confront them? I suspect if the Sheriff doesn't get an arrest soon, it may be something he'll need to consider.

I can understand why the parents weren't concerned about him as they probably didn't talk to him everyday. But I too find it odd that the girlfriend , knowing he was sleeping in his truck in an isolated area, didn't notify the parents or sound an alarm.

I was looking for news on the candlelight vigil last night. I hope it was well attended.



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"Why do they have to worry about being on the up and up when they can take a head and leave no clues nor take anything of value. And who will suspect it if the group is not well known and/or cops are afraid to confront them? I suspect if the Sheriff doesn't get an arrest soon, it may be something he'll need to consider.

I can understand why the parents weren't concerned about him as they probably didn't talk to him everyday. But I too find it odd that the girlfriend , knowing he was sleeping in his truck in an isolated area, didn't notify the parents or sound an alarm.

I was looking for news on the candlelight vigil last night. I hope it was well attended."

Razz

Possible terror groups trying to set up in small Southern town have very important goals above and beyond murdering an outsider who was likely to leave the area within a week or two. Those goals are set by leaders in the bigger cities, and having a follower willing to commit this crime would lead to that individual's death or reassignment. The goal of these organizations will be to stay under the radar and be welcoming to the disenfranchised who fill the ranks on the front lines.

As for being on the up and up, keeping a low profile and appearing to be a staid law abiding organization keeps them from harassment and keeping the larger big city locations from getting too much bad press.

I have a firm belief that any such organization is already on local law enforcement radar. I think law enforcement is not afraid of confronting an MOA.

Your scenario is plausible. But again, why?
Second question, why not get rid of all of the evidence?

I also hope that Mr. Alexander's candle light vigil was well attended also, but more importantly I hope his family and loved ones can find peace.
 
The candle light vigil is tonight at the RV park.

It begins at 7:00 pm CDT.
 
SassyFrassy said:
"Why do they have to worry about being on the up and up when they can take a head and leave no clues nor take anything of value. And who will suspect it if the group is not well known and/or cops are afraid to confront them? I suspect if the Sheriff doesn't get an arrest soon, it may be something he'll need to consider.

I can understand why the parents weren't concerned about him as they probably didn't talk to him everyday. But I too find it odd that the girlfriend , knowing he was sleeping in his truck in an isolated area, didn't notify the parents or sound an alarm.

I was looking for news on the candlelight vigil last night. I hope it was well attended."

Razz

Possible terror groups trying to set up in small Southern town have very important goals above and beyond murdering an outsider who was likely to leave the area within a week or two. Those goals are set by leaders in the bigger cities, and having a follower willing to commit this crime would lead to that individual's death or reassignment. The goal of these organizations will be to stay under the radar and be welcoming to the disenfranchised who fill the ranks on the front lines.

As for being on the up and up, keeping a low profile and appearing to be a staid law abiding organization keeps them from harassment and keeping the larger big city locations from getting too much bad press.

I have a firm belief that any such organization is already on local law enforcement radar. I think law enforcement is not afraid of confronting an MOA.

Your scenario is plausible. But again, why?
Second question, why not get rid of all of the evidence?

I also hope that Mr. Alexander's candle light vigil was well attended also, but more importantly I hope his family and loved ones can find peace.
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Well, if you were to get rid of all the evidence, you would have nothing to show for what you have done. What causes more fear than leaving a headless body lying in his truck with no known reason?

And what are these groups waiting for? Maybe it's better to instill a bit of fear now than wait 20 years to create havoc. And what better trophy than a man's head?

I doubt I'd feel any peace until my son's head is found and the perps rightfully punished and imprisoned or put to death.

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Well, if you were to get rid of all the evidence, you would have nothing to show for what you have done. What causes more fear than leaving a headless body lying in his truck with no known reason?

And what are these groups waiting for? Maybe it's better to instill a bit of fear now than wait 20 years to create havoc. And what better trophy than a man's head?

I doubt I'd feel any peace until my son's head is found and the perps rightfully punished and imprisoned or put to death.

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Usually in a murder, having nothing to show for what you have done is part of the point.

As for what such groups are waiting for, I have no idea. I just hope that I am not around when they come out of the shadows.

I have been close to an unsolved, violent crime. I have had to learn to find peace in what I can. As for finding his head, I am thankful the family has most of his body. Many individuals disappear and the families have no body or closure. Justice and punishment, I pray and leave those things in God's hands.
 
Thanks for the picture. That's kind of a creepy place, but I guess they feel close to their son there as it was the last place he was staying and found.

You think if someone spent the time removing someone's head thinking that would prevent identification they would have also removed hands too. I wonder if they got scared off before they could finish what they started. The money not being taken is strange. Makes it seem more personal.
 
Bootsctr said:
Thanks for the picture. That's kind of a creepy place, but I guess they feel close to their son there as it was the last place he was staying and found.

You think if someone spent the time removing someone's head thinking that would prevent identification they would have also removed hands too. I wonder if they got scared off before they could finish what they started. The money not being taken is strange. Makes it seem more personal.
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Yes, it would creep me out to attend a memorial where my son was brutally murdered! I hope being there brought them comfort.

I'm not sure decapitation actually takes much time or is necessarily done to prevent identification. Googling taught me that some are committed by people in the midst of a psychotic episode, for reasons only they know (hearing "God's" voice telling them to, etc). Or it could be a thrill kill or gang initiation. I'll be very surprised if Jubal's murder is connected in any way to terrorism or a cartel. I don't believe they would hide Jubal's head or their involvement. Both groups are calculating and want to intimidate, and that can't happen if they don't take credit. Could it be someone trying to implicate those associated with these groups to further a personal or political agenda? Far-fetched, I know. It certainly could be personal...or not. I feel for LE trying to sort this out.

There was an "almost decapitation" of a young man walking home on a fairly busy bike path at dusk over four years ago in my area. It's never been solved. The FBI analyzed the wound to determine the type of weapon. Some of us suspected a notorious mentally ill homeless man. The victim was an online gamer, so LE investigated whether someone took a game into real life. Or it may have been a random act of violence in a usually peaceful community just off the interstate. We may never know. I hope that doesn't happen to Jubal's family.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-Grubbs-23-Ashland-Nov-2011-Bike-Path-Murder
 
Bootsctr said:
Thanks for the picture. That's kind of a creepy place, but I guess they feel close to their son there as it was the last place he was staying and found.

You think if someone spent the time removing someone's head thinking that would prevent identification they would have also removed hands too. I wonder if they got scared off before they could finish what they started. The money not being taken is strange. Makes it seem more personal.
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Money was not taken from his wallet but we don't know if he may have had a stash of savings somewhere in his truck that was taken? Again, how did he get his paycheck?
 
watcher9 said:
Money was not taken from his wallet but we don't know if he may have had a stash of savings somewhere in his truck that was taken? Again, how did he get his paycheck?
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Most likely by direct deposit as he was working for a company that contracts labor to industrial facilities in several geographic locations. Employees placed in facilities away from the home office need to be able to access their earnings wherever they are.

It seems possible that locations he might have accessed ATM(s) could contain clues if he had withdrawn cash in sums not found on his person.

Possible someone could have observed him making a withdrawal and then followed him to see if an opportunity presented itself to rob him away from surveillance cameras. Or possibly someone who already knew that he was sleeping in a vulnerable location.

Gotta figure that investigators are looking at his banking information for potential clues and have checked (or are checking) any surveillance cameras if he was accessing an ATM for cash withdrawals.

I can't see him keeping all of his earnings in his truck. That would seem extremely foolish for someone who is said to have been consciously restricting their living expenses.

Possible, though; bank records should reflect how much cash he might have had on his person.
 
The time LE has listed is 9:38a to 5:30 in Justice for Jubal on FB. 9:38 seems strange but I wonder if his phone shows that time as last communication. Probably with girlfriend?? And then maybe he completely shut the phone off.
Very nice tribute to Jubal from his supervisor on FB. Jubal had been there for only 1 week.

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SassyFrassy said:
Usually in a murder, having nothing to show for what you have done is part of the point.

As for what such groups are waiting for, I have no idea. I just hope that I am not around when they come out of the shadows.

I have been close to an unsolved, violent crime. I have had to learn to find peace in what I can. As for finding his head, I am thankful the family has most of his body. Many individuals disappear and the families have no body or closure. Justice and punishment, I pray and leave those things in God's hands.
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I am deeply sorry about your loss.

The radical groups? Honestly, I know nothing about them.

Sometimes my worth comes from seeing things differently and spilling out whatever comes to mind. Sometimes, someone can grab a bit of that spillage and run with it. And then sometimes. it is just spillage.😊

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Everyday Grace said:
Most likely by direct deposit as he was working for a company that contracts labor to industrial facilities in several geographic locations. Employees placed in facilities away from the home office need to be able to access their earnings wherever they are.
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As a side note, I have worked for these services. It is very possible to be registered with them, but inactive for periods of time.

Though the agency will try to find contracts for people, if a certain number are refused, you are placed on the "inactive list". Likewise, if you dont repond to their calls, you are placed on the inactive list and you must re-establish contact. Once you do, you are eligible for new contracts (though they tend to give the good ones to their more reliable workers).

This might explain why he was not missed at work nor at the employment agency as he might not have been on an active contract, and / or the employment agency had moved him to the inactive list.
 
Rebecca Alexander said she wants people to know while her son's death appears dark and mysterious, his life was just the opposite.

...."There's been some horrible things said 'he must've been involved in something bad to have this happen to him.' He wasn't, he was a good kid."
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http://thefacts.com/news/article_cb896130-07c4-5f4d-8c3e-58fe634906f5.html

(Paywall article, but if you read it quickly....)

Information also reported in The Facts article:

Jubal had previously worked in Brazoria County for Phillips 66 near Sweeny.

One of his co-workers there, SY, told The Facts that they worked there "over a year ago."

They also worked together at LyondellBasel in Bayport after they were laid off from the work in Sweeney.

SY was trying to reach Jubal by phone as he was going to try to get hired to work with him at Chocolate Bayou.

He found out from news reports why he did not receive an answer to a text he sent on May 4 and why Jubal was not answering his phone.

SY organized the candlelight vigil held last weekend. He also set up a Go Fund Me account to help the family with burial expenses.

The family doesn't know when they will be able to bury their son.

His body has been sent from the Galveston County ME's office to the Harris County ME (Houston.)

According to Jubal's father, he was working 10-12 hour shifts, 7 days a week.

Also from his father:

"...someone might have seen something, someone might have known something...."
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Cryptic said:
As a side note, I have worked for these services. It is very possible to be registered with them, but inactive for periods of time.

Though the agency will try to find contracts for people, if a certain number are refused, you are placed on the "inactive list". Likewise, if you dont repond to their calls, you are placed on the inactive list and you must re-establish contact. Once you do, you are eligible for new contracts (though they tend to give the good ones to their more reliable workers).

This might explain why he was not missed at work nor at the employment agency as he might not have been on an active contract, and / or the employment agency had moved him to the inactive list.
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My understanding is that he was on an active contract working at the Chocolate Bayou facility.

I suppose it's possible that the company he was actually contracted with may not have been made aware of his absence.

Or that the information was sent to Deer Park, but may have been stovepiped by someone inclined to just make a notation and chalk it off as an employee who simply walked off.

We don't actually know much at all about if anyone raised an alarm about his absence and if so, when.

From what I can tell, a contracting firm (S&G) was actively seeking pipefitters for a contract at INEOS Chocolate Bayou, so I'm assuming the work he had there had not ended.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that the nature of the work is often/usually on a temporary basis, thus the need for contracted labor and the necessity for the skilled workforce to work in regularly changing geographic locations.

I'm also seeing that INEOS Chocolate Bayou (or a specific functional division there) is currently undergoing a "shut-down" for maintenance. Do you know if that might typically be a situation where contracted labor (like pipefitters) is brought in to conduct the periodic/one-time work?

I'm assuming the 7-day work week is driven by economics: the sooner the work is completed, the end of the costs incurred from contracted labor. And in the circumstances of a shut-down, the sooner production is back online.

Just trying to get a sense of the workforce and the work cycles as I have zero experience with chemical plants.
 
this case is just so mysterious. he outwardly just seemed a young man trying to get ahead.
 
When this murder was in the press I thought of a couple who was murdered. The husband was found decapitated in the garage and the wife was found later in the lake weighted down. Both crime scenes involve decapitation and boating/docks. They thought the couple murder was a botched robbery but really maybe not, no wallet was taken in Jubal's murder. The case of Russell and Shirley Dermond remains unsolved.

County Sheriff Howard Sills- 'He said he is routinely making contact with investigators across the country who are handling similar cases — except, he said, few are as grisly as his case.'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gia-elderly-couple-slain-year-later/70875900/


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-County-2-May-2014-10&p=12559710#post12559710
 
Everyday Grace said:
My understanding is that he was on an active contract working at the Chocolate Bayou facility.

I suppose it's possible that the company he was actually contracted with may not have been made aware of his absence.

Or that the information was sent to Deer Park, but may have been stovepiped by someone inclined to just make a notation and chalk it off as an employee who simply walked off.
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If he was on an active contract, I dont think it is likely that the contracting company would have failed to realize his appereance, or non appereance as they would have been billed for his presence. Thus, if he was on the contract, he would have been noted as being part of the requested number. Likewise, if he did not appear, the contracting company would have said: "Dont bill us for Jubal yesterday, he did not show up" followed by maybe "We need a substitute".
Everyday Grace said:
Or that the information was sent to Deer Park, but may have been stovepiped by someone inclined to just make a notation and chalk it off as an employee who simply walked off.
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Is Deer Park where the employment agency is? If so, I think that is possible, but not likely.

The employment agency receives regular feed back from the contractor on the performance (or lack thereof) of the temporary workers. In addition, they have other checks as the employment agency does not want to pay workers who were actually no-shows. Though it is possible that due to a mix up, they would think Jubal was one of say, six pipefitters on the job, when he was in fact a no show and a substitute had been sent, this would normally be cleared up very fast.
Everyday Grace said:
I'm also seeing that INEOS Chocolate Bayou (or a specific functional division there) is currently undergoing a "shut-down" for maintenance. Do you know if that might typically be a situation where contracted labor (like pipefitters) is brought in to conduct the periodic/one-time work?

I'm assuming the 7-day work week is driven by economics: the sooner the work is completed, the end of the costs incurred from contracted labor. And in the circumstances of a shut-down, the sooner production is back online.
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Though I dont have experience in chemical plants either, I think that is entirely possible. I have worked at other industrial plants where they only had say, two certified welder / pipe fitters on staff. They would be able to handle day to day repairs, but not maintenance shut downs. As the company I worked for was large, they just flew in people from another location rather than use temporaries. A smaller company could well use temporaries for these.

My bet is that the maintenance shut down is accompanied by an inspection by the government. I was used as a temporary general carpenter alot for hospitals / rehab centers that were being inspected by the State soon and had alot of little fixes that needed to be done quickly. I imagine it is the same for chemical plants, just more technical.
Everyday Grace said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I gather that the nature of the work is often/usually on a temporary basis, thus the need for contracted labor and the necessity for the skilled workforce to work in regularly changing geographic locations.
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Yes, that is how it works. Employing such a work force is usually due to an unexpected or expected surge in the need for employees. Once the surge is ended, the contract is terminated. The better perfoming temporaries, however, can be offered permanent jobs though.
 
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