Found Deceased TX - Kaytlynn Cargill, 14, Bedford, 19 June 2017 #2

[iscaremyself]

I think we'll all be surprised when everything comes out. I think BPD is doing their job and don't owe us a daily or weekly update. I think if the public needed to be on the lookout or were in danger they would tell us. This case hasn't been easy of them emotionally either. JMO


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unless it was a cop that killed her of course...

 

[ninij9]

Skipped a whole day on WS
Some cases are resolving, some for better or worse. This case...
::Crickets::

I think they are watching someone. I think this someone is sweating their shorts pretty bad.

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[gregjrichards]

Might be very difficult to detect, especially if there was decomposition. Hemorrhages are more absent than present.

"The autopsy signs of smothering may be minimal. If pressure has been applied to the face around the mouth and nose there may be evidence of bruising and it may require full facial dissection to reveal such injuries. If the pressure has been maintained after death, then there may be pressure pallor within areas of lividity around the mouth and nose. When injuries are present around the mouth and nose in cases of suspected smothering, they should be view as highly suspicious and the possibility that the smothering has been deliberate and homicidal considered. There may be no other findings. Petechial hemorrhages are more frequently absent than present. If present, petechiae may be found on the visceral surfaces of the thoracic organs or in the region of the larynx and pharynx."

http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/asphyctic-deaths/

Thank you for sharing the information and link. Hopefully if suffocation did occur one of the following signs will be there:

"Throughout the investigation of a death by suffocation or smothering the pathologist will look for the tell tale signs: the bloodshot eyes, the high levels of carbon dioxide in the blood and will also look for bruising around the nose and mouth and may even collect trace evidence such as hairs and fibres from around the nose and mouth of the deceased."

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/suffocating-and-smothering.html

 

[gregjrichards]

Skipped a whole day on WS
Some cases are resolving, some for better or worse. This case...
::Crickets::

I think they are watching someone. I think this someone is sweating their shorts pretty bad.

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I hope this is the case.

 

[Deleted member 278]

I hope with all my heart that minors are not involved. My reason is that if minors are responsible they will get a slap on the wrist. Oh, they would spend some time in juvenile lockup but once they turn 18 they will be free & their record expunged. My feelings are that young monsters will likely become adult monsters & someone/someones need to pay a hefty price for Kaylynn's death. I'm not a proponent of the death penalty but am a firm believer in life without any possibility of parole. I don't mind my tax $ going to keep the dangerous criminals locked up forever. This is JMO.

Texas has banned juvenile life without parole. That's all I'm going to say on that matter!

 

[faw720]

Texas has banned juvenile life without parole. That's all I'm going to say on that matter!

Respectfully, I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I hope the perp is an adult & is sentenced to life in prison. If the perp is a juvenile they will basically walk away with a slap on the wrists. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Respectfully, I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I hope the perp is an adult & is sentenced to life in prison. If the perp is a juvenile they will basically walk away with a slap on the wrists. JMO.

Yes, sorry. I did misinterpret.

If she was murdered by a juvenile, I cannot see a slap on the wrist being punishment, but I guess it all depends on what one considers a slap on the wrist to be.

 

[JnRyan]

I've been quietly following Kaytlynn's case both here and on the news. This one is crazy and I can't figure how or why this happened. For all I can tell LE doesn't have a crime scene other than where she was found.

 

[borndem]

Texas has banned juvenile life without parole. That's all I'm going to say on that matter!

The US Supreme Court struck down mandatory life sentences for juveniles in 2012. If LWOP is still the desired penalty, the prosecutors and the defense can argue mitigation vs. aggravation and LWOP can be imposed on a juvenile if the judge sees fit.
We had a case like that here in NC and the juvenile (17 y/o, 1st degree kidnap, robbery and 1st degree murder) was indeed given LWOP.

Miller v. Alabama -- Mandatory Life Without Parole Sentences are Unconstitutional for Juveniles
2/24/2015

On June 25, 2012, the United States Supreme Court, in Miller v. Alabama, ruled that imposing mandatory life sentences without the possibility of parole on juveniles violates the Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The Eighth Amendment “guarantees individuals the right not to be subjected to excessive sanctions”, and requires that punishments be proportionate to the crime committed. In this case the Court determined that proportionality must take into account “the mitigating qualities of youth.”

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...-v-alabama-mandatory-life-without-parole.aspx

 

[DatelineFan]

I think we'll all be surprised when everything comes out. I think BPD is doing their job and don't owe us a daily or weekly update. I think if the public needed to be on the lookout or were in danger they would tell us. This case hasn't been easy of them emotionally either. JMO


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I agree that they don't really owe us updates. But I also wouldn't expect them to warn the public about anything. It's quite rare for LE to ever do this. I think they generally rely on people using common sense after a crime occurs.

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[borndem]

:wagon: to Websleuths,:drumroll: Texasnsx, :drumroll:
we're glad to have you here!
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[Harmony 2]

Please get back on topic. thanks

 

[gitana1]

Respectfully, I think you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I hope the perp is an adult & is sentenced to life in prison. If the perp is a juvenile they will basically walk away with a slap on the wrists. JMO.

I disagree. The US Supreme Court has ruled that no state can sentence a teen to LWOP without consideration, but they certainly can sentence them to life with the possibility of parole. And they can also continually deny them parole. Here are some recent Texas cases involving juveniles that I think amount to more than a mere slap on the wrist:

17 year old guilty of attempted murder = 15 years. http://www.chron.com/crime/article/Texas-teen-who-called-murder-absolutely-10876709.php

17 year old sentenced to life in prison for murdering a 6 year old. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-rape-death-6-year-old-girl-article-1.1929256

16 year old sentenced to 30 years for bludgeoning death. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article52292550.html

15 year old who murdered a 2 month old baby her mom was trying to adopt = 40 years. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2015/05/22/teen-sentenced-to-40-years-for-babys-murder

16 year olds who murdered a classmate sentenced to 30 years. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...-years-for-murder-of-of-17-year-old-classmate

Ultimately, I think it depends on a few factors like the heinousness of the crime, whether it was planned, the sophistication of the perp and who the victim was (longer sentences for younger victims, shorter for older victims who may have been parents or guardians who abused the perp, for example).

 

[creepcrusher]

Not sure if this is allowed. Mods I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to post this. Kaytlynn Cargill's relative, Patricia Cargill asked that this petition to change the guidelines of the amber alert be shared and signed if you agree. Details at the link. https://www.petitions24.com/change_us_department_of_justice_amber_alert_guidelines

 

[faw720]

I disagree. The US Supreme Court has ruled that no state can sentence a teen to LWOP without consideration, but they certainly can sentence them to life with the possibility of parole. And they can also continually deny them parole. Here are some recent Texas cases involving juveniles that I think amount to more than a mere slap on the wrist:

17 year old guilty of attempted murder = 15 years. http://www.chron.com/crime/article/Texas-teen-who-called-murder-absolutely-10876709.php

17 year old sentenced to life in prison for murdering a 6 year old. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-rape-death-6-year-old-girl-article-1.1929256

16 year old sentenced to 30 years for bludgeoning death. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article52292550.html

15 year old who murdered a 2 month old baby her mom was trying to adopt = 40 years. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2015/05/22/teen-sentenced-to-40-years-for-babys-murder

16 year olds who murdered a classmate sentenced to 30 years. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...-years-for-murder-of-of-17-year-old-classmate

Ultimately, I think it depends on a few factors like the heinousness of the crime, whether it was planned, the sophistication of the perp and who the victim was (longer sentences for younger victims, shorter for older victims who may have been parents or guardians who abused the perp, for example).

Thank you for these links! I haven't heard of any of them. My bad, I suppose. It seems like the ones I've heard about are those who got away with it. JMO, but if someone is old enough to do the crime, they are old enough to do the time. I only want justice for Kaytlynn.

 

[BubbleHopper]

Is there a pool near the dog park? With restrooms? Are the restrooms about as far from the dog park as her apt? Wondering.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Is there a pool near the dog park? With restrooms? Are the restrooms about as far from the dog park as her apt? Wondering.

Not sure but I do remember when I looked up the complex it said they had more than one pool. I know the apartments I've lived in in the past had a restroom in the pool area. Not a major 4 stall restroom but a one seater basically. Moo

ETA not sure where her apartment was in relation to the dog park or the pool(s).

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[gitana1]

Thank you for these links! I haven't heard of any of them. My bad, I suppose. It seems like the ones I've heard about are those who got away with it. JMO, but if someone is old enough to do the crime, they are old enough to do the time. I only want justice for Kaytlynn.

I'm with ya'.

 

[Elainera]

Thank you for these links! I haven't heard of any of them. My bad, I suppose. It seems like the ones I've heard about are those who got away with it. JMO, but if someone is old enough to do the crime, they are old enough to do the time. I only want justice for Kaytlynn.

Here is one more

17 y/o Philip Chism, minimum of 40 years for rape and murder of his math teacher.

http://fox6now.com/2016/02/28/life-...-of-high-school-math-teacher-he-is-pure-evil/

 

[faw720]

Not sure but I do remember when I looked up the complex it said they had more than one pool. I know the apartments I've lived in in the past had a restroom in the pool area. Not a major 4 stall restroom but a one seater basically. Moo

ETA not sure where her apartment was in relation to the dog park or the pool(s).



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I read so much in so many places I can't remember where I saw what. Someone posted a Google Earth photo showing Kaytylynn's apartment complex. The complex seems to be divided into 2 sections, one to the south of Oak Creek Lane & another to the north of Oak Creek Lane & there was a pool for each section. The dog park was in the southern section. I have no idea which section her apartment was in. I drove by there this morning mainly to look to see where the office was located. At some point I am planning on taking food to leave at the office for the family. Until today I had only seen the complex from the Forrest Ridge street view. The apartments look to be well maintained & the norther portion is extremely pretty with lots of mature trees & nicely shaded. The southern section looks to be just lots of buildings & cars. It was early morning & I did not see anyone out & about nor any police presence.