TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #3

[CoverMeCagney]

I really hope this doesn't end up like the ID of BK. We still don't know who he was or his real name. A lot of folks worked on his case for a long time. [emoji19]

Wow, I just spent an hour reading the thread that Tricia started with the announcement that Benjaman Kyle's claims were probably fraudulent. I then saw all the dozens of sub threads relating to his case. People worked sooooo hard on it. Just wow.

 

[fred&edna]

Sorry, I must have missed something, who is she if not a missing person?

Some WS'ers have theories that FLEK could be/have been Stalder. I don't know all of the details (I just commented about finding photo/info), but I'll refer you to this post.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ssion-and-Theories*-3&p=12419315#post12419315


ETA: Until we have additional info, the Stalder theory (or similar) isn't out of the realm of possibilities (imo). She had a valid BST birth certificate, it was the late 80's (not such tech-ie time then), so why did Lori make the second name change?? The second change to "LEK" is what makes this case particularly difficult... she is twice removed from her original identity.

 

[fred&edna]

Rather than continued editing of my post above (lol, I have a tendency to rethink and add too much)...

Maybe she made the second name change (from BST to LEK) as an added layer of protection... nothing more. Maybe she was just fearful of genealogy research into the BST family? But, one can't help wonder... was it something more??

 

[HawkFan2014]

Thanks for clarifying that she's listed as "Debbie" in the yearbook... I attempted to edit my post but it was too late.

Further searches (not related to yearbooks or ancestry) show an additional associated/different name of DJS living in CA... (maybe married name) also begins with "S".

And, I'd guess 'no' regarding photos. I think we're already pushing the WS rules since Stalder isn't a "missing person"

When I had searched the husband of the associated DS....his DJS is born in 1949. I thought a bad link. : )

 

[dogperson]

Just my opinion, but I feel the same way about this case as I did about the Sharon Marshall case, that she will turn out to be someone not in the missing persons data bases.

I don't know whether LEK had a nose job or maybe a past injury that somehow progressed. If we look through her photos in chronological order, her nose appears to keep getting thinner and slanting more to one side. What would cause that? Would an old injury keep deteriorating this way? Or a poorly done nose job? Are there any natural conditions that would cause the cartilage to soften and break down?

I heard a story once on the news of a lady whose nasal cartilage completely collapsed because she had inhaled so many hair clippings through her life. It caused a rare inflammatory condition that broke down the cartilage. But I can't remember if she was a dog groomer or hair stylist. That probably has nothing to do with LEK's condition, but it sounds like there are some types of natural things that can cause the shape of the nose to change dramatically.

I agree with the posters who are hoping this doesn't turn out like the Benjamin Kyle case. I was so disappointed when they didn't release his identity or explain how he came to be so estranged from his family that it took so long to discover who he was.

 

[dogperson]

Oh, and I meant to add I still can't get over how much she looks like Mr. Turner. I still wouldn't be surprised if she's somehow related to the family.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Just putting all the ID/DL cards in one place, in the order they were issued:

IDAHO ID in name of Becky Sue Turner issued June 1988





TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Kennedy, issued 2001? Expiry 2007






TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Ruff, issued after marriage, expiry 2007






TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Ruff, 2007 renewal, expiry 2013

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Quick few question I'd be really appreciative if someone could quickly answer (I know several of you have this imprinted in your brain!)

Do all states have ID cards and if so should she have had a Texas one? Or for any other state she lived in?

Also, I can't find any driving licences prior to the Texas one, does that mean she passed her test in Texas or have we just not seen previous licences? You guys can drive at 16 right? But she must have been in her 30's when the Texas one was issued.

Also is there documentation showing her name change from BST to LEK, do we know when that happened?

If anyone can help me out with a basic timeline of where she lived and what she was doing that would be ace!! Sorry to be a pain.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Sorry, bear with me, I'm answering my own questions. Timeline from wiki (in my own words)

May 1988: She requested the birth certificate of Becky Sue Turner, a two-year-old girl who was killed in a house fire in Washington in 1971. The request was made in Bakersfield, California.

June 16th 1988: She traveled to Idaho, where she obtained a state ID card using the girl's birth certificate.

July 5th 1988: After obtaining the driver's license, Ruff went before a judge in Dallas to legally changed her name to Lori Erica Kennedy

July 1988: She obtained a social security number, effectively erasing her past.

1989: She received a Texas driver license

1990: Qualified for a GED then enrolled in Dallas County Community College.

1997: Graduated from the University of Texas at Arlington in 1997, with a degree in Business Administration.

2003: Met Blake

2008: Had daughter after several miscarriages

2010: Blake files for divorce and on Xmas Eve Loris kills herself (shot in the head on in-laws driveway)


All correct?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Erica_Ruff

 

[dvo]

Do all states have ID cards and if so should she have had a Texas one? Or for any other state she lived in?

Also, I can't find any driving licences prior to the Texas one, does that mean she passed her test in Texas or have we just not seen previous licences? You guys can drive at 16 right? But she must have been in her 30's when the Texas one was issued.

"State-issued identification cards are a handy resource if you do not, or are not old enough to, carry a driver's license. "

from http://www.dmv.org/id-cards.php

If you have a drivers license, you don't need an ID card too. ID cards are, for instance, if you wanted to buy alcohol or had another need to prove your age/identity but didn't drive for financial or lifestyle reasons, you would get an ID card to use in place of the identification functions drivers licenses are usually used for (beyond just allowing you to drive).

edit, sorry adding: she could have taken a driving test and had a drivers license under a different name before she got the BST id card, or maybe she didn't drive until she got a license in Texas.

 

[Linda9681]

Do we know when she bought the car she had on the bankruptcy? I am guessing she had another state drivers license in one of those two names. I wonder if she had somehow in the past had a fake ss with Lori Erica Kennedy


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[CoverMeCagney]

from http://www.dmv.org/id-cards.php

If you have a drivers license, you don't need an ID card too. ID cards are, for instance, if you wanted to buy alcohol or had another need to prove your age/identity but didn't drive for financial or lifestyle reasons, you would get an ID card to use in place of the identification functions drivers licenses are usually used for (beyond just allowing you to drive).

edit, sorry adding: she could have taken a driving test and had a drivers license under a different name before she got the BST id card, or maybe she didn't drive until she got a license in Texas.

Thanks DVO, that makes sense. We don't have ID cards here (though personally I think we should - nothing to hide, nothing to fear).

The Wiki page says she got her first TX licence in 1989 but I can't find a picture of it. I fact there there should be at least one other as TX licences are usually valid for 6 years, so where's the 1990's one too?

 

[Linda9681]

Did we ever follow up on the KW thing ( first wife of A Laciner)... Like Laciner from notes page?


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[fred&edna]

Did we ever follow up on the KW thing ( first wife of A Laciner)... Like Laciner from notes page?


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I remember!

I've only spent a few minutes searching but I'm having great difficulty finding anything at all... regarding the marriage or otherwise.

:thinking:

I'm going to go back and review the notes page/Laciner info.

 

[fred&edna]

More info on Laciner page. She had a birth year of 1953, and I'm thinking 1953 makes her too old to be LEK.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?215629-Laciner

 

[llywrch]

As I recall LEK was dancing in her younger years at - at least one topless bar / men's club. That is a tough environment for any young lady.

I find it interesting that what was offered casually as just one more anecdote about LEK -- an ex-boyfriend either claimed that or heard that she'd been a dancer at a "gentlemen's club" -- has drawn so much attention.

Considering the source, statements like that reported by former lovers are treated with extreme skepticism. (Men have been known to say unkind things about ex-girlfriends.) And I suspect agent Velling only gave it any credence because he had access to her Social Security earnings, & had found she didn't report enough earnings to live on.

 

[msrica972]

Just putting all the ID/DL cards in one place, in the order they were issued:

IDAHO ID in name of Becky Sue Turner issued June 1988

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TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Kennedy, issued 2001? Expiry 2007


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TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Ruff, issued after marriage, expiry 2007


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TEXAS D/L in name of Lori Erica Ruff, 2007 renewal, expiry 2013


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Just noticing...her Texas licenses have restriction A on them meaning she worn glasses or contacts. I haven't seen pics of her with glasses on so it is possible the contact she wore were colored.

 

[Beezneez]

I know somewhere in here is reference to her seeing a pain specialist & buying a car- I believe all around the bankrupsy & college graduation... Looking at her nose, my brain just went to a serious car accident, with airbag deployment causing the crooked nose? I am wondering if there was some sort of large settlement related to that recorded somewhere. I don't know where to begin looking for that type of thing, but if someone else has an idea?

 

[Linda9681]

I wasn't thinking she WAS KW, but maybe related, and maybe she was seeking Laciner out in Texas where he lived with KW when she got there.. I was thinking since that name was written close to the library number


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[dvo]

Just noticing...her Texas licenses have restriction A on them meaning she worn glasses or contacts. I haven't seen pics of her with glasses on so it is possible the contact she wore were colored.

so smart. i would have had no idea what that meant.
i don't think i've read that anywhere before?