TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[cybervampira]

'Drugged' students and abortion blamed for school shootings

Two days after a 17-year-old opened fire in his Texas high school, killing at least 10, incoming National Rifle Association president Oliver North said students "shouldn't have to be afraid" to go to school and blamed the problem on "youngsters who are steeped in a culture of violence" in which many young boys have "been on Ritalin" since early childhood.

"They've been drugged in many cases," he said.

Appearing on Fox News Sunday, the retired marine best known for his role in the Iran-contra scandal in the 1980s said, "You are not going to fix it by taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens."

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https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/104061419/drugged-students-and-abortion-blamed-for-school-shootings

 

[Bernina]

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/19/612722473/after-texas-high-school-shooting-a-community-grieves

Officials said they couldn't discuss the ongoing investigation into the shooting, but Santa Fe I.S.D. (Independent School District) Police Chief Walter Braun recounted how two officers engaged the suspected shooter "right away.""Our officers went in there and did what they could," he said. "They did what they're trained for and went in immediately."
Braun said his officers have been "resilient" throughout the ordeal. "I don't think it's really sunk in yet, as to allowing the emotions to take control," he said.

 

[enelram]

After Columbine the police procedure is supposed to be not to wait for SWAT.

Is this the new policy for school shootings or all mass shootings?

If I recall. the Pulse law enforcement waited a significant amount of time before they entered the premises.

 

[x_files]

Happens every.single.time when there is a mass shooting. Always reports of a second suspect in early reports and then it gets forgotten about. I have no idea why. But it is a fact.

I've noticed it also. Perhaps it's a precaution. I wish there was a follow up.

 

[gitana1]

It wouldn't be hard to have an electric gate that staff could open to allow first responders in if there was a fire. JMO

If there is someone able to open it, sure. But in a fire situation or other disaster there may not be that opportunity. And it's super expensive.

But obviously our culture isn't going to change so making schools and malls and sports or music arenas and restaurants and businesses, etc., into fortresses, is one of the only viable options left, I guess.

Its like we are going to be living in a constant combat situation. Like wartime Europe. Or like Lebanon or Kenya. Constant armed guards and military everywhere. Gross. It frankly makes me feel less safe rather than more.

 

[bluesneakers]

'Drugged' students and abortion blamed for school shootings

Two days after a 17-year-old opened fire in his Texas high school, killing at least 10, incoming National Rifle Association president Oliver North said students "shouldn't have to be afraid" to go to school and blamed the problem on "youngsters who are steeped in a culture of violence" in which many young boys have "been on Ritalin" since early childhood.

"They've been drugged in many cases," he said.

Appearing on Fox News Sunday, the retired marine best known for his role in the Iran-contra scandal in the 1980s said, "You are not going to fix it by taking away the rights of law-abiding citizens."

[...]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/104061419/drugged-students-and-abortion-blamed-for-school-shootings

North, a retired Marine whose role in the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s made him a household name, appeared in ads for the war-centered video game “Call of Duty: Black Ops II” and has also worked as a consultant for the game.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/oliver-north-school-shootings_us_5b018dece4b0a046186d22be

 

[rosemadderlake]

I would like to see Oliver North's data to back up his claim that mass shooters are all on drugs. Who does this serve?

He is perpetuating the loop that this country cannot break free from.

We are failing on every level.

Until the adults stop with attached agendas for any kind of gain, and start being the kind of adults, parents, citizens, that can take some kind of personal responsibility, we will continue to lose kids, teachers, and the LE on all fronts.

 

[x_files]

It would be interesting to see how many WS'ers were bullied at school.
Remember saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"?

When I was growing up, my red hair, freckles, and shortness were a constant source of torment. I did have a few close friends, several are still my BFF's. For some reason they were popular, and cherished my friendship as I theirs.

"Freckle face strawberry"
"Carrot top"
"Shrimp"

It hurt, and I wished back then that I was blond, tan, and/or above average height like my siblings, and a big portion of my peers.

But I didn't take out my hurt on others. What makes some children think they can retaliate now days? Is it non supportive parents?

My husband was also short and Jewish. We went from Kindergarten through High School together. You can imagine what kind of taunting he was on the receiving end of. He didn't retaliate.

Could be they are being bullied by parents, silblings, extended family, sports and church members also, so zero to no support system.
If you are bullied and have no one to turn to then most likely will start copying the same abusive behavior to others who they perceive as different, shy or weak.

 

[jjenny]

According to Lt. Gov. video games are to blame.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...mes-advocates-for-12929218.php?ipid=happening

 

[bluesneakers]

Happens every.single.time when there is a mass shooting. Always reports of a second suspect in early reports and then it gets forgotten about. I have no idea why. But it is a fact.

Since you pointed it out I've paid closer attention and noticed it happens every time. I wonder if they can't dismiss all the reports immediately? That would make sense but I wish they would clear up earlier statements when they finally have an official press conference. We're all left with questions like "What ever happened to the guy at the airport?"

 

[cybervampira]

North, a retired Marine whose role in the Iran-Contra affair in the 1980s made him a household name, appeared in ads for the war-centered video game “Call of Duty: Black Ops II” and has also worked as a consultant for the game.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/oliver-north-school-shootings_us_5b018dece4b0a046186d22be

Okaaaaaay!

 

[x_files]

A lot of this reminds me of Columbine.
Trench Coat
Explosives
Taunting victims while shooting.
Not shooting some so they can 'tell his story'

yes, the playbook. He studied Eric Harris well.

 

[jjenny]

Since you pointed it out I've paid closer attention and noticed it happens every time. I wonder if they can't dismiss all the reports immediately? That would make sense but I wish they would clear up earlier statements when they finally have an official press conference. We're all left with questions like "What ever happened to the guy at the airport?"

In this particular case, my understanding is, one or two people were at the very least questioned so it's not just a rumor.

 

[bluesneakers]

According to Lt. Gov. video games are to blame.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...mes-advocates-for-12929218.php?ipid=happening

Blaming Video Games for School Shootings Is Misguided, Dangerous

Unfortunately, there is no clear evidence to support claims that video games cause societal aggression or violence. Most studies of violent video games consider mundane forms of aggression such as whether players are more likely to expose others to loud, irritating noises, or give hot sauce to people who do not like spicy food.

Data from these studies is mixed, some finding effects, some not. And, while these outcomes might be related to unfriendly thoughts or even just competitiveness, it is a leap to imply hot sauce or loud noise translates to a propensity to commit mass homicide.

Discounting the absurdity of linking these outcomes to school shootings, given the dire concerns expressed by politicians you might guess that playing violent video games increase these minor forms of aggression by around 40 or 50 percent.

Even if you are a bit skeptical you might guess at least a 10 percent effect. It turns out – you are wrong. On average, this type of research finds that, at best, only 0.4 percent of the variation in minor forms of aggression can be explained by video games with more recent studies suggesting the number might be closer to zero.

When scholars have examined real-world violence – school shootings, homicide, and aggregated assault – any tiny links between video games and mundane acts of aggression completely disappears. Research done by the US Secret Service and our laboratories have both found that less than 20 percent of school shooters played violent video games with any amount of regularity.

 

[KaaBoom]

We are going in circles here. Police officer didn't wait for SWAT, confronted the shooter and got shot. So yea, he followed the procedure. Following the procedure in this case is dangerous because he got shot and almost died, but he followed it.

After the officer got shot, the other officer pulled him to safety. Then they called for SWAT and waited for them to arrive. Meanwhile students who were already shot were left bleeding to death, and more students were getting shot. Everything the police do, is about protecting themselves, not others.

 

[x_files]

I even wore a trench coat..!

me too! trenchcoat and combat boots. This was way before Columbine. No one in my group was violent or threatened anyone many were artists, vegans loved animals and others. Peaceful group.

 

[kimlynn]

yes, the playbook. He studied Eric Harris well.

And the scary sad thing is others/youths will be following this shooting as well.
After Parkland several schools had incidents.

 

[bluesneakers]

A war monger blaming a culture of violence.

I can't.

 

[Jennifer17]

Other countries have kids on Ritalin, have bullies, have girls reject them,have co-ed schools with many entrances and play the same violent video games.

 

[KaaBoom]

Is this the new policy for school shootings or all mass shootings?

If I recall. the Pulse law enforcement waited a significant amount of time before they entered the premises.

I believe it's supposed to be primarily for school shootings. Some LE agencies might apply it to all active shooters. But it doesn't work, because that is not the way cops are trained.

Before the Colorado shooting, responding officers would set up a secure perimeter around the crime scene before even thinking about moving on the suspect.

"Nowadays, what we do is go to the sound of the guns," Gagliano said. "You get one, two, three, four people together. We're trained. We use particular formations."
Gagliano called it a "heterogeneous group" of first responders that could include local, state and federal agencies.
"You're going to the sound of the guns," he said. "The No. 1 goal is to interdict the shooter or shooters. In the old days, you took land. You went in. You clear the room. Then you slowly and methodically move to clear the next room. In this instance ... get to the shooter as quickly as possible and that's what they clearly did here."

How Columbine changed the way police respond to mass shooting - CNN