TX TX - President John F. Kennedy, 46, Dallas, 22 Nov 1963

[7forever]

Not in this frame, but what happens after.
Ms. Kennedy climbed to the back of the car and retrieved
Presidents skull and tried to put it back in place.
I read this and saw the picture in a book one time.
It was very sad to read.........sorry no link...........just memory.

I'm not sure I believe that story. She freaks once she sees the hole on the back of his head.
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[7forever]

you're misreading the video evidence. bullet smoke trails emit from the barrel of the gun, not the target. the target emits fragments of bone, brain and blood. the fragment evidence shows the exit point, not the entrance point. it shows an exit point consistent with a bullet that originated from jackies position.

You're misreading the video evidence and real life. Clear bullet smoke emits when it hits its target. The bullet struck jfk in the right forehead emitting smoke at that point. Mussolini was executed with a shot to the back of the head and smoke emits from that point. You don't know what you're talking about in the least.
Kennedy shot from the front by the driver, William Greer.
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A man shot in the face with smoke at entrance.
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Mussolini shot in back of head in the mid 40's.
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[The Farm]

I do not see a gun. And if that were the case why oh why did everyone keep quiet abput it, especially the Kennedy family?

 

[passionflower]

please look and watch Jackie on the trunk of limo.
In the book I read she reaches for JFK's skull.
I always thought she was helping SS agent but not true.
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[7forever]

If you look at frame 9 of that gif of mussolini it clearly shows the smoke appearing behind him as we look at it, ie the front of his head (open it in photoshop & view it full screen.

His head also jerks backwards as a recoil from the exit wound (it initially goes forward, then reappears vertically).

Exactly as Kennedy's head did when it received a bullet in the back of the head and it exited out the front.

Case closed.

If you look at the gif of mussolini it clearly shows the smoke appearing at back of his head where the bullet enters. (open it in photoshop & view it full screen. Mussolini's head jerks forward naturally from the rear shot, the exact opposite of what Kennedy's head did when he received the shot from the front.
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[cami]

It's the mystery of the 20th Century, who killed JFK? Did the murdered Dallas Police officer have a role in it? Here is a VERY interesting investigation into the timeline that day for Dallas Police Officer Tippit, who was later believed to be murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm

My opinion? Oswald was the lone gunman. All theories about places for a second gunman to shoot from were recently disproved in a Discovery Channel investigation. ABC World News Tonight also did an investigation and found that the Warren Comission was correct. And as for shooting FROM the grassy knoll, I don't think so! Most everyone on the ground seemed to know about the shots coming from the Book Depository 6 stories up and quite a ways away, but NO one noticed someone shooting a rifle from a grassy knoll right there on the street with people all around???? That defies all logic. Was he put up to it by someone else? I think so. Most likely a Mob hit. Was Officer Tippit involved? He sure acted suspiciously, that day, and maybe Oswald had to silence him, just like Ruby had to silence Oswald (and that is typical Mob practice, not only kill the person, but then kill the people who killed the person, to ensure no one was around as a witness.) And they likely also killed Monroe. But, did someone put them up to it, or did they do it on their own? I look forward to reading the various theories, and maybe we can fill each other in on things we have heard that others might not have. Take it away, Sleuthers!!!!

I agree with you. I think Marchetti (not sure if I have the right mobster) out of New Orleans had Kennedy killed. So, the mob set it up, Oswald fired the fatal shots, Ruby kills Oswald. Ruby himself was dying of lung cancer although he did live longer than expected in prison.

No one was firing from the grassy knoll. I know some who think there was because the bystanders were diving down for cover but those bystanders were closest to the street and heard and saw the shots.

Don't forget Kennedy and Mrs. K were seated higher than Connolly and his wife in the car, very easy for the bullet to go through Kennedy's throat and then into Connolly. I don't believe there was a magic bullet either. One shot missed but landed in the car. MOO

 

[cami]

please look and watch Jackie on the trunk of limo.
In the book I read she reaches for JFK's skull.
I always thought she was helping SS agent but not true.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...49fb4452272f80704-528800153874?q=JFK shooting

Yeah, she was getting out of there before she got shot. MOO

 

[Bargle]

Yeah, she was getting out of there before she got shot. MOO

Seconded. Having a large part of your husband's brain explode out of his skull next to you could panic any wife.

 

[liz b.]

I agree with you. I think Marchetti (not sure if I have the right mobster) out of New Orleans had Kennedy killed. So, the mob set it up, Oswald fired the fatal shots, Ruby kills Oswald. Ruby himself was dying of lung cancer although he did live longer than expected in prison.

No one was firing from the grassy knoll. I know some who think there was because the bystanders were diving down for cover but those bystanders were closest to the street and heard and saw the shots.

Don't forget Kennedy and Mrs. K were seated higher than Connolly and his wife in the car, very easy for the bullet to go through Kennedy's throat and then into Connolly. I don't believe there was a magic bullet either. One shot missed but landed in the car. MOO

I think you mean Carlos Marcello, a mobster from New Orleans...Not sure he had the power to kill a President ; he and his family were lower level mob figures in the scheme of things...Bobby Kennedy had Marcello deported to Guatemala. I always wondered if he had RFK killed as a revenge action.... JMO

 

[liz b.]

In the last interview before his death LBJ said that the JFK murder was caused by a foreign conspiracy.... Could be... JMO

 

[KarlK]

I think you mean Carlos Marcello, a mobster from New Orleans...Not sure he had the power to kill a President

Did Leon Czolgosz have the power to kill a President? All it takes is an opportunity. Among all the theories about who killed JFK those pertaining to a mob hit seem to overlook the possibility that it may not have been a high-level conspiracy, but the deed of an individual gangster acting on his own accord.

That said, this would not be my favorite theory as it wouldn't explain the setting up of Oswald.

 

[liz b.]

Did Leon Czolgosz have the power to kill a President? All it takes is an opportunity. Among all the theories about who killed JFK those pertaining to a mob hit seem to overlook the possibility that it may not have been a high-level conspiracy, but the deed of an individual gangster acting on his own accord.

That said, this would not be my favorite theory as it wouldn't explain the setting up of Oswald.

KarlK,
I do not believe it was a mob related hit at all... Plenty of prosecotors in the Justice Dept. have put mob guys away for life.And lived to tell about it... Carlos Marcello didn't have the water to do a deed like this...IMO.

 

[KarlK]

KarlK,
I do not believe it was a mob related hit at all... Plenty of prosecotors in the Justice Dept. have put mob guys away for life.And lived to tell about it... Carlos Marcello didn't have the water to do a deed like this...IMO.

Well perhaps JFK wasn't killed for completely sane reasons

Seriously, I don't buy much into a mob hit either as it would have been pointless and, as it turned out, counterproductive.

 

[Snick1946]

Many years ago I read a theory someone had developed; there were TWO unrelated shooters in Dallas that day. Oswald and an unknown gunman, neither knew the other would be shooting. Dallas was a hotbed of reactionary feeling at that time and it isn't hard to imagine that someone to this day unknown felt like taking a shot at JFK as well.
IMO this is pretty far out. But it isn't the strangest theory I've heard.

 

[justthinkin]

I have believed for years that JFK's death was a political hit, called for by the one man who was about to find himself not on the ticket in 1964 with JFK.
LBJ had the means, the connections and the motive.

I also believe LBJ ordered the murder of Henry Marshall who was dogging Billy Sol Estes, and his illegal cotton allotments.

 

[justthinkin]

This is an excellent short read of about 5 pages, and makes clear the history surrounding the events of 1963. It leaves little doubt in my mind.
http://viewzone2.com/lbj/indexx.html

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks for the link justthinkin! Very interesting as I always suspected LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK. The article was thought provoking and well written.

I have been doing a little researching and viewing videos and have concluded that the fatal shot entered through the right front of JFK's head and blew out the right back. The first shot entered thru the back and blew out the front throat area from viewing the autopsie photos. This was the one that also hit Gov. connally. The magic bullet I think it is called.

I did notice one thing that kind of bothers me. Mrs Kennedy doesn't have as much blood on her person as I would expect from the footage of the amt of 'spray' coming from the President's head.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/swearin.htm

The photo at the link is not full length and her right side is not visible so maybe there is more on her clothing. I wish I could find a full length photo of her after her husband was murdered.

all moo

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[7forever]

This is some impressive dedication to a topic no one really cares about.

According to the cable networks there were 1000 books published on jfk. Alot of people cared and still care about this case. They just don't want the obvious truth about Greer to come out but it has, even if only in a small way.

 

[7forever]

Clint describes a massive exit that could have only been caused by that goon, Greer.

Clint Hill saw the massive hole on the right rear portion of his head.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

The back of his head opens up at the moment of the front right impact.
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[Stone2065]

Just my two cents worth here, as I'm new here and still feeling out the forum...

1. I've seen the video that supposedly shows the driver shooting JFK, including the fine work here showing great close ups of that portion of the "Z" film. Sorry folks, it's hair grease making the shine, not a gun. I was a surveillance observer in a major casino, catching card cheats and other thieves... watching video 8 hours a day, you develop some skill in it, and sorry, no gun there.

2. The final shot came from the front. I am not 100% certain as to exact direction, but either the grassy knoll or the bridge would be likely shooting perches.

3. Oswald shot AT JFK. He may have (more than likely, I'd say 80+% chance) caused the round that came in the upper back of JFK and hit Conally. The rest of any rounds he fired out of that pile of junk people refer to as a rifle would be lucky to hit the CAR. I've handled the Carcano rifles. Hard to cycle the bolt, slow to cycle and considering it had either an 18" or 20" barrel, it's not what you would call my first choice in a sniper weapon. Also, the scope he used was a small tube (7/8") 4x (4 power magnification). Crappy field of view, poor light, even during mid day, just again, not my first choice in a sniper weapon's scope.

4. This last one comes from my Mother. No, I'm not saying it's true or not, but she was 38 when JFK was shot, so was an adult at the time. She had told me a few times, when she heard I was doing some snooping into this subject "you know, LBJ's wife ordered new china for the White House, with the White House logo, and their (LBJ's) initials five WEEKS before Kennedy was killed". Is she right? Wrong? I have no way of verifying this, but if it was, would be an interesting fact to throw into the mix.

Thanks for letting me rant on here folks.