Found Deceased TX - Savanah Soto, 18, Leon Valley, 22 December 2023 #2 *Arrests*
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Snipped by me above - the "pre contemplation stage" !!! I love it. Must mean his answer was along the lines of, "Um, yeah, I sort of thought about that I need to get a job at some point but I've been busy."
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Yes. Does that provide some sort of clue that we are overlooking? Like that perhaps this isn't a family or child who routinely engages in this sort of thing, parents have "some" kind of morals (though not enough or they would have reported it)?
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Might be trying to explain why there appears to have been only one shell casing found in the vehicle. But the wording on the affidavit regarding the shell casing doesn't have me convinced that only one casing was found in the vehicle.
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That was not done under the Texas SYG law. Rather, EG claimed self defense at a jury trial and his defense was accepted. Though the defendants in the case can mount a similar defense, such a defense would not be under the SYG law.
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@Seattle1 We have also heard that the mother said she was contacted ("called") by SS to remind her not be late on Saturday. How do you explain that???@Joe Friday -- While I've also seen the appointment reported by MSM as both 6:30 AM and 6:30 PM, the thread starter post #1 reports SS set to be induced Saturday night, and I think it's been well established by now that SS was expected at the hospital on Saturday evening around 6:30 PM.
Is OP finding contrary info, and what is the importance at this time?
We've heard from the mouth of Gloria Cordova (mother of SS) that her daughter was going to be induced at 6:30 PM, and how she went to the hospital at 6:30 PM and waited for two hours, and SS never arrived at hospital.
The AA references SS's family reported she was to be induced and didn't show for her appointment. In other words, SAPD appears to trust the word of Gloria Cordova that SS had an appointment to be admitted at hospital on 12/23 on Saturday evening.
See Arrest Affidavit dated 1/3/24 pg 1/6:
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Slain pregnant teen and her boyfriend each had a gunshot wound, San Antonio police say
While the couple has not been officially identified by the medical examiner, San Antonio police said they suspect the bodies found in a Kia Optima are of 18-year-old Savanah Soto and her boyfriend.www.nbcnews.com
12/27/23
The city of Leon Valley, which is about 12 miles northwest of San Antonio, had posted on its Facebook page that Soto's delivery date had passed and that her family contacted the San Antonio police because they were concerned after she missed “an essential medical appointment.”
Soto’s mother, Gloria Cordova, said in a Facebook post that her daughter was scheduled to be induced at 6:30 p.m. Saturday and "never showed up."
Dec 24, 2023
Gloria Cordova said her daughter, Savanah Nicole Soto was a week past her due date and was set to be induced Saturday night but never showed up to the hospital.
That even more puzzling than the appointment time, now that we know SS was dead before the time that call allegedly took place according to her mother. Not that any of this really matter now. But before those times were important information to build a timeline.
I think SS's mother is a little confused if you ask me. JMO
Car of San Antonio man accused in Savanah Soto shooting death vandalized
Pregnant teen Soto and her boyfriend were slain during a drug deal gone bad, San Antonio police allege.www.sacurrent.com
This article says that MG and SS went to meet with CP to "purchase" marijuana. I had assumed that they went there to sell drugs, not purchase them. This may be wrong. I haven't heard that before.
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It is indeed all a bit muddled with the dates and times. If they were killed just before midnight on Thursday night, 12/21,then the entire day of Friday passed, and most of Saturday, with no contact from either of them, aside from her mother claiming she did get a call on Friday telling her not to be late at the hospital, and the supposed sighting of them at the apt complex around 2pm Friday by a neighbor was also noted early on as well. If the mom is wrong about what day that call was made, did anyone think it odd that Savannah hadn't been in touch the entire day of Friday and most of Saturday?
This would all make more sense to me if the shootings were Friday night, 12/22.
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That has not been disclosed yet.
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Yes it would.
Perhaps the date on the video LE is using to reference when the vehicle was dumped was wrong. Although I'm sure phone records would have shown activity on SS's phone if there was in deed a call made to her mother on Friday using her phone. Records LE apparently would have had at the time the affidavit was written if it was SS's phone that was used to search the Charlie Chan location. According to the affidavit only one of the victim's phones was given to to a detective for examination. It was mentioned or alluded to both of the victim's phones being found during the presser yesterday. But I think if both phones were recovered, they both would have been examined at the same time.
Picking apart the affidavit and pressers for such details doesn't really prove anything. I doubt the affidavit was corrected for grammar errors. The important part is, one of the phones led to the suspects and that is what was written on the affidavit to obtain an arrest warrant.
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Could not agree more!! Seems like a planned robbery, or just a planned execution... just my opinion...
Why in the hell was Savanah with him 9 mos pregnant at a drug deal? That is so ridiculous to me in and of itself!!
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I was thinking about something this morning.
The way the affidavit is written it leaves one to wonder if there was just one shell casing found in the KIA or if there was possibly more than one casing in the vehicle, and the author just didn't include an "s" on the end of Casing. Either way the sentence is not written correctly, there should be an "a" if it was only one casing.
The person or persons responsible didn't take the time to collect this one casing inside the vehicle. Or at least one casing was missed if there was more than one casing. But it should have been known how many rounds were fired and if all casings had been collected, if any were collected. So leaving one behind if there was more than one casing inside the vehicle doesn't seem reasonable.
If MG was shot outside of the vehicle, then that casing may be where ever that location was when he was shot. Which would explain why there was only one casing in the vehicle and not more.
But what if the ballistics test show the bullets that killed MG and SS were fired from two different guns???? Could CP have had two guns, shooting both MG and SS at the same time from the rear seat?? Could there be two perps, each in the back seat of KIA and they shot both SS and MG each behind the right ear simultaneously?
Ballistic should be able to determine if the bullets that killed SS and MG and casing came from the gun recovered from the residence. But what if one of the bullets or casing doesn't match that gun or any other guns found. Is there another person we don't know of? Was the gun that fired those bullets disposed of?
Where the drugs that MG was supposedly selling CP found? Was any money found on MG? Did CP have his own gun? Is it MG's gun that was found in CP residence? Was it MG's gun that fired the bullets?
Did CP hand RP the drugs, money or gun(s) in that video before they dumped the KIA?
So many questions and possibilities.
JMO
The way the affidavit is written it leaves one to wonder if there was just one shell casing found in the KIA or if there was possibly more than one casing in the vehicle, and the author just didn't include an "s" on the end of Casing. Either way the sentence is not written correctly, there should be an "a" if it was only one casing.
The person or persons responsible didn't take the time to collect this one casing inside the vehicle. Or at least one casing was missed if there was more than one casing. But it should have been known how many rounds were fired and if all casings had been collected, if any were collected. So leaving one behind if there was more than one casing inside the vehicle doesn't seem reasonable.
If MG was shot outside of the vehicle, then that casing may be where ever that location was when he was shot. Which would explain why there was only one casing in the vehicle and not more.
But what if the ballistics test show the bullets that killed MG and SS were fired from two different guns???? Could CP have had two guns, shooting both MG and SS at the same time from the rear seat?? Could there be two perps, each in the back seat of KIA and they shot both SS and MG each behind the right ear simultaneously?
Ballistic should be able to determine if the bullets that killed SS and MG and casing came from the gun recovered from the residence. But what if one of the bullets or casing doesn't match that gun or any other guns found. Is there another person we don't know of? Was the gun that fired those bullets disposed of?
Where the drugs that MG was supposedly selling CP found? Was any money found on MG? Did CP have his own gun? Is it MG's gun that was found in CP residence? Was it MG's gun that fired the bullets?
Did CP hand RP the drugs, money or gun(s) in that video before they dumped the KIA?
So many questions and possibilities.
JMO
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New details emerge about the weapon used in the Savanah Soto case
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said Friday that investigators recovered the gun used to allegedly shoot Savanah Soto from shooter's home.
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sorry if already posted im catching up
People following the case on social media have been looking for answers about a towel that can be seen on security camera footage being thrown from Ramon's pickup truck. People believe there is a third person involved.
"That's something we're still looking into and is something that's been brought up in conversation," McManus said.
He added that the investigation would need to determine this alleged third person's involvement. McManus didn't want to definitively say there would be a third arrest, but he said that it was a possibility.
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From my experience in this field, marijuana is not classified as narcotics. Narcotics usually means opiates & cocaine etc. And if you've taken a look at MG's posts people have saved online, he sells a wide variety. I'm not sure why marijuana is usually separate, but it is (from my experience).
According to the police chief at the press conference, both victims (MG and SS) were involved in the sale and distribution of narcotics. So maybe it was habit for them to go together in some instances, or maybe this was a contact that was made directly with SS. I hope we will know more details soon.
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Soto's killing comes less than two years after her younger brother Ethan Soto was fatally shot over an alleged money dispute.
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Soon after, police dropped by a residence linked to both father and son.
"The father answered the door," Moscoso said. "He knew why the police were there" and described him as cooperative.
"There was a lot of misinformation out there," Moscoso said of public scrutiny on the case. "These two individuals are the only suspects we were looking for. There were many names being thrown around on the internet. Those people had nothing to do with this."
Per local KSAT, an affidavit says Guerra had come to Preciado's to sell him marijuana on December 21.
According to that same arrest affidavit, Christopher Preciado claims Guerra had pointed a gun at him, which he then "manipulated" resulting in Soto being shot; then he claimed to have "manipulated the weapon again", this time with Guerra being shot.
The medical examiner had stated Guerra died by "contact gunshot wound to the head."
The victim's bodies were discovered five days later.
Bond is set for the elder Preciado at $600,000, his son's has been set at $2,000,000.
Pregnant Teen Fatally Shot Alongside Boyfriend: Cops Reveal Gruesome Details as Father & Son Arrested
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Soto's killing comes less than two years after her younger brother Ethan Soto was fatally shot over an alleged money dispute.
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Soon after, police dropped by a residence linked to both father and son.
"The father answered the door," Moscoso said. "He knew why the police were there" and described him as cooperative.
"There was a lot of misinformation out there," Moscoso said of public scrutiny on the case. "These two individuals are the only suspects we were looking for. There were many names being thrown around on the internet. Those people had nothing to do with this."
Per local KSAT, an affidavit says Guerra had come to Preciado's to sell him marijuana on December 21.
According to that same arrest affidavit, Christopher Preciado claims Guerra had pointed a gun at him, which he then "manipulated" resulting in Soto being shot; then he claimed to have "manipulated the weapon again", this time with Guerra being shot.
The medical examiner had stated Guerra died by "contact gunshot wound to the head."
The victim's bodies were discovered five days later.
Bond is set for the elder Preciado at $600,000, his son's has been set at $2,000,000.
Pregnant Teen Fatally Shot Alongside Boyfriend: Cops Reveal Gruesome Details as Father & Son Arrested
1/5/2024 1:50 PM PT
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Manipulated is the right word. I don’t think struggle is.
Unfortunately the only other witnesses to this event were eliminated.
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Interesting word choice. Have to wonder if someone had time to talk perhaps with counsel before police came to make an arrest? Not grabbed, deflected, etc…… but manipulated? Watch this become a matter of whose hand the gun was in went it went off? Hopefully forensics and evidence will help with this determination. MOO
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Yes they did have time to engage a criminal attorney, but in all honesty I don’t think they did ….
I can’t imagine any criminal attorney suggesting that they waive their Miranda Rights, and confess to a Capital Murder straight up ….
CP may have tried to explain it as “self defence” but in doing so he placed himself at the murder scene, and also stated that he shot both SS and MG … so therefor a confession … IMO