TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #44

[arkansasmimi]

I don't know if the exterior SW (porte cochere) doors were unlocked--can't remember. (Though the interior set of those is seen propped open in the SP viveo. My guess those were propped by maintenance Sunday evening after the people left a fathering there. It had been wet and puddly Sunday, and that would allow the entry carpeting seen in the video frames in that SW entry to dry.)

Missy's equipment can be seen ourside piled next to those exterior SW doors. My opinion is that she may have unloaded the stuff there where it wouldn't ger wet but then walked around to the church's main W entrance in order to gain access to the building. However, even if that SW door had been accessible to code or key and unlocked and entered, I still believe she may have been ambushed by someone hiding in the main foyer.

MPD confirmed that she entered the building through doors at the awning area (porte cochere)

 

[rosesfromangels]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10RFBopG2U&index=157&list=LLGyn3K32tMPHg_uhIHNqGNA

"He's done searching for the killer."

Hmmm....I've never heard LE say they are giving up. Does this mean he believes he knows who the killer is?

 

[rosesfromangels]

There are bad apples in every bunch. I'm looking for a link to an article that talks about investigators often becoming bored with cases they are trying to solve if there isn't a quick resolution and will put cases on the back burner.

This could certainly be true, or perhaps they are triaging through cases given their very limited bandwidth. Perhaps they triage and focus on the cases where they know they can produce an outcome. My Detective friend "Bones", always had pictures of Victims in his office, and refused to take them down until the cases were solved. He cared deeply.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Law enforcement is so grossly under resourced. If we want to see change, we need to adjust budgets to bring on more specialists at all levels. I understand the anger, but LE is not the problem.

I have the utmost respect, admiration, and awe for the job they do day in and day out. I support The Blue!

Thanks for balancing out the position and pointing that out. I agree with bringing on more specialists,and less guys pulling people over for missing one of two lights in the license plate well (happened to my daughter last night).

There is some truth to your assertion. From the law enforcement that I have personally gotten to know, they almost universally lament about the time and energies that is spent on domestic issues. My wife works with a wife of a retire police chief (not terribly far from Midlothian) and he has contrasted the number of calls and dangers and psychiatric issues he had to deal with vs 20 or 30 yearsago. Much of it comes from the fraying of families; and I don’t want to minimize it.

And I think they were out of their area of expertise. I know my competence diminishes the moment I get out of my field. And they hadn’t had a murder in many years. In the beginning, even on this WS-MB thread,we were making proposals of SP changing their clothes, using creative getaways. I think we now concluded he just drove out ofthere, probably with their blood-spattered POLICE outfit (front and back) infull sight, based on how little time was available to escape. So no one, no camera saw a person in a policeuniform driving from the scene? Anywhere? In a desolate time (4:30-5 am) in a pretty rural setting? We maybe too late.

I was also responding to the lackadaisical tone of the announcement. I feel that at this point, it’s going to take a herculean effort to put this to bed and I didn’tget that sense in anyway. My apologies if I did not show proper respect for the good work they do. I just don’t think this was one of them.

 

[arkansasmimi]

A year and a half ago I made a 10-12 post explanation. Mostly with images and I know the site has trouble with images so I will try to put it together into a PDF document and link it. For now I will try an explanation with words only.

At the northeast doors there is cover. It is an 11x10 area that has a roof overhead. So that means you would not get rained on there. You are also well above the parking lot and on the other side of the building completely. At that hour it would be highly unlikely that someone would drive completely around the building and even if they had done so they would have to look up and to their right just to see someone there in a space 11 feet across that at any reasonable driving speed would go by quickly. Thus the window of opportunity (pardon the pun) for anyone to have seen someone there is incredibly small. The glass panes in the doors are large. Large enough that someone the size of SP could easily pass through.

On the other hand if you go to the kitchen door on the North side of the building you are standing in pouring rain and you are wrestling off the handle and lock mechanism of a door that is by and large designed to prevent that. So not only does that take significantly more time to do and thus you are in the rain a long time but it also comes with a greater risk should anyone pull into the church entrance from the highway. You would be in plain view and we know from the SWF video that the parking lot was illuminated at the church and you could see the lights all the way over on that side. There is also a light right above the kitchen door that I would expect was on as well. And the risk isn't just limited to anyone pulling into the church entrance because the highway is higher than the church itself anyone travelling the highway looking in the direction of that North side kitchen door would likely see you.

The riddle is why make your job harder if you were doing anything but targeting Missy and staging. What would be the point. Why break a kitchen window (actually in the room behind the Kitchen) that you would need a ladder to climb into? There was a perfectly good window to the right of the kitchen door that would put you into the room to the right of the Kitchen (room 6) that you wouldn't need a ladder to get through. The panes of the windows are 30 inches wide so they are easy enough to pass through as well.

If SP isn't going to make any real effort at the door in the West hall where SP fiddles around with the pry bar and hammer then why all the effort with the kitchen door?

My theory is that SP entered and exited the church via the northeast doors and that SP went to the Kitchen and then opened the Kitchen door from the inside and then held the door and used the tools to remove the door hardware while being able to be partially inside the building and thus having more cover and not getting soaked in the process.

The bottom line is that I believe the Kitchen door to be just one more element of staging. One more element of misdirection in that if it looked like all that effort was put into it that must be the point of access. And if that also led MPD to believe that that was also the point of exit when exactly did the northeast doors get smashed? Does it makes sense that SP would do it after the murder? Wouldn't they be getting out of Dodge? And if SP did that prior to entry of the church why not enter that way?

RBBM
I try to stay open minded and I can see it possible that the Suspect breached the metal outer door and the kitchen window as staging. I have been studying photos and reports again with our facts known on sworn docs and confirmations.

4/16/18 Spann says: Again, we see him walking down one of the hallways, but presumably he went out the way he came in, which was through a metal door that had a glass window that was broken out. And, again this is all speculation on our part that he broke the window and reached inside to open the door, but we also have a second and third windows that were broken, but we don't have any evidence that anybody ever went through them. They were just broken.

So we have the metal kitchen door window, the kitchen window, and then the rear NE doors boarded up.
Looking at the inner door leading into the kitchen from media photos the little glass window is not broken. It's hard to see if any damage is on the door prying open - could have not been locked? Kitchen doors are all locked and roll down window coverings are as well securing the kitchen from outer rooms.

NE doors had to have been done prior to entering the building/prior to murder that is a given. Unknown if the second set of doors going into the actual interior are all locked, if not all Suspect would have had to do is bust glass on outer reach in and push bar to enter the rear door. If inner glass door not locked walk on in. If locked will have to bust another set of doors.

Spann said it all he was saying was speculation at the time (Monday afternoon).

IF Suspect did come through the NE (rear) doors, unless he pried open the door to kitchen from room 8, s/he didn't go into the kitchen. Locked.

But I can be open minded that Suspect may came in eventually through NE rear doors, after busting up the metal door. But not that the Suspect left that way -through NE rear doors. That would mean traveling down multiple halls, across half the building past multiple cameras that already caught Suspect on video. I can't reconcile that with facts known. And even if as your belief that was found in South hallway, why not just go out the SE doors straight out? Again doesn't fit what we have. jmho

 

[arkansasmimi]

Jethro...looking forward to your church layout and photos of interior....I couldn't find them....ty cady ETA By the time 911 was called, there was a flurry of calls, as all of the attendees would have been there for the 5 am start time. Someone called BB.....possibly whoever called him had not seen Missy, because he seemed to think that she had been in an accident, which is what he relayed to his mother,If I am recalling correctly. I guess if LE is putting fresh eyes together, we can, to some extent do that too...minus the red herrings. I wish TRICIA could get this Vaughn guy on radio as a guest....unlikely, though...JMO

It's good to go back and review, especially after we know some things we didn't prior. I hate it for MB family it has taken so long. JMHO I don't see us getting any more info than we have been. Maybe the little bits given by Vaughn were for the Suspects benefit. But after all the mess on social media and so forth, I feel they will be tight lipped as ever.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by Razz View Post
As I wrote previously, he would have breeched the NE doors as misdirection. As the inside camera in the Northeast corner was working, it would have been a bad idea to go in that way, because I felt he wasn't fully dressed as a SWAT person yet. I also think he may have brought a change of clothes.

I had forgotten about the window on the north side. Let's say he made it inside via the window, couldn't he have opened the kitchen door from the inside by pushing the bar or was it key entry? And if he couldn't, why go to the trouble of breeching that door since entry was already made via the window? Or, was there someone else waiting to get in that couldn't go through the window.?

That means they have video of him breaking the NE doors. Is that what is happening at the end of the video across from Rm 12?

Razz is correct, the NE camera was working. IF the Suspect came in through the NE rear doors, the cameras would have captured that on video - Suspect entering and walking towards room 8.

JMHO while it is my belief that the room coming out of is in that East hallway it not the glass the Suspect is breaking.

Another thing at the 7sec mark we see the Suspect come to the room 8 door and look to the left (towards the NE rear doors/camera direction) then back towards the room. 8 sec mark the Suspect comes back out and immediately goes to their right towards the NW to the main hallway. We do not know how long the Suspect was inside that room before coming back out. Same thing happens when Suspect goes into the room in front of Holy Grounds. Camera clicks on just by the movement seen in the little door window.

All that to say, they had looked at the videos from each of the interior cameras. As well as the glass disturbed as someone walking through the glass everywhere from shattered door. Spann jmho wouldn't say they presumed/speculated Suspect exited as entered through the metal door if they had it on video of Suspect walking in area of NE door at "ten til 4 a.m."

 

[arkansasmimi]

The Inner NE camera was pointed
West. That was the camera that showed SP coming out of the kitchen area. No, it would not have shown the breaking of the NE doors. I believe he didn't enter there because he knew that camera inside was working.


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there would have also been (assuming) a NE camera pointing down the rear East hall. So one pointingNW and one SE?

 

[arkansasmimi]

A little while back and thanks to Canonball's efforts, we learned from a search warrant that a vehicle was seen leaving the church around 4:30 am -- about five minutes before the first camper arrived and ten minutes after Missy was seen entering the church.

Wow! This is the first I've heard of that info. So where does this leave with the light colored Nissan at SWFA? A potential witness? SP changed vehicles after they saw vehicles parked at SWFA in case they were noticed? This would imply SP had access to more than vehicle then.

JMHO only tells us that a passerby saw a vehicle at approx 4:30. It could be verified by headlights from SWFA video hopefully. But it could also have possibly been someone pulled off due to the heavy rain. MPD has always said that the Altima at SWFA "In the interest of following up on every possible lead, this is the last lead that hasn't been exhausted from the video canvassing." "we don't believe this is the vehicle of the killer..." https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12581000#post12581000

But to your post, the SWFA vehicle was over an hour prior to Suspect seen on video at 3:50 approx. I confused why you would think the Suspect changed vehicles? What would have been the orig veh that Suspect would have been in and how would we know that?

 

[arkansasmimi]

I’m leaning towards the Nissan being the witness that saw the smaller dark colored SUV leaving the church at 4:30am and not part of the crime or an accomplice. JMO

But MPD said they had not located the driver or the car seen at SWFA. And according to the SWFA YouTube it was like a few min after 2am when Altima left and that would be 2 1/2 hrs later for it to be the Altima driver. From a news report someone at SWFA told a reporter that they had someone try break in is why they posted the video only "after a recent attempted break in" (at SWFA) http://www.fox4news.com/news/new-video-surfaces-in-missy-bevers-murder-mystery

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think this isnt a targeted murder
I suspect the motive could have been theft/vandalism/trespassing

*The crime occurred after the Sunday services - the most lucrative time to steal money from a church

*The murderer left broken glass and open doors visible in the main hallway, silly things to do if the perp was aiming to ambush the victim

*The behaviour of the perp does not suggest that they were waiting in ambush for someone. Walking past glass doors slowly suggest the perp was not expecting anyone there.

*The murderer chose a location with multiple surveillance cameras to murder the victim - practically unheard of in a murder.

*There was attempt at a clean-up of the murder scene. Why would there be an 'attempt' if the murder was planned. A potentially frantic attempt to clean up the scene, to me suggest someone who did not plan this

*The perp left tools behind, again odd for a planned murder

*If this burglary was staged, why was nothing taken? It appears to me things changed at the last moment - again suggesting the murder was not planned.

*Why would the perp choose a time and location where in literally in a matter of minutes other people were arriving

*This was the first training in weeks, so if the perp had been planning a robbery may not of realised that anyone else was scheduled to show up that early

*Usually a targetted murder involves someone who knows the victim. Police have cleared family and friends and numerous other people as POIs.
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My replies bolded: JMHO
Brazenkane;13903852]I think this isnt a targeted murder
I suspect the motive could have been theft/vandalism/trespassing

*The crime occurred after the Sunday services - the most lucrative time to steal money from a church Yet nothing was reported missing

*The murderer left broken glass and open doors visible in the main hallway, silly things to do if the perp was aiming to ambush the victim 1)We don't know what the doors looked like when MB entered the building at 4:18/4:20, time stamp for the Suspect being in that area was 3:58 a.m. 2) We have not seen any broken glass in the video released by MPD in that area. BUT there was glass on the floor when first responders arrived. We know the Suspect came back to that area but not when glass was broken. https://www.facebook.com/Midlothian...95047007358/10154073570637359/?type=3&theater

*The behaviour of the perp does not suggest that they were waiting in ambush for someone. Walking past glass doors slowly suggest the perp was not expecting anyone there. We are told by MPD and through sworn statements that "unknown suspect is only person detected within building during period of approx 30 minutes when victim / decedent was murdered" Whether Suspect was waiting in ambush, is unknown to me but again per SWs, "MB walked toward suspect location" iPhone & iPad SW, link on first page of thread. And respectfully we only see the Suspect walking past one set of glass doors and it was not slow, and while at the door the Suspect looks toward the door and pauses looking. Same as did when orig came out of room 8 at beginning of MPD video.

*The murderer chose a location with multiple surveillance cameras to murder the victim - practically unheard of in a murder. Yet came covered head to toe. Signs at the entrance told of cameras. At least 2 cameras were in view from outside NW at entrance and one at the doors MB entered. Cameras all visible inside church. Again came covered and was not concerned about cameras. And murders happen in locations with cameras all the time. On camera, would be less often. and we are told the assault in this case was not on video. Another thing that point to planned, jmho

*There was attempt at a clean-up of the murder scene. Why would there be an 'attempt' if the murder was planned. A potentially frantic attempt to clean up the scene, to me suggest someone who did not plan this This is false https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12714853#post12714853

*The perp left tools behind, again odd for a planned murder Do you have a link for "perp left tools behind" No SW nor MPD has stated this.

*If this burglary was staged, why was nothing taken? It appears to me things changed at the last moment - again suggesting the murder was not planned. There was a forced entry into the church. There was damage done within the building. There was a murder done. Nothing reported missing from Church. Whatever the intention was breaking and entering, it was planned out due to the head to toe covering. No way yet to know possible motive, as we don't know who the Suspect is.

*Why would the perp choose a time and location where in literally in a matter of minutes other people were arriving If the intention was to murder MB, and make it appear to be an interrupted burglary of the church, it worked. IF going to steal something why not be in hurry and get out? If the intention was as you speculate, "I suspect the motive could have been theft/vandalism/trespassing" they planned on breaking the law and potentially being seen.They had the opportunity to leave and not kill MB, but didn't. Their actions just ups the murder charge. JMHO

*This was the first training in weeks, so if the perp had been planning a robbery may not of realised that anyone else was scheduled to show up that early Only first week for the new session. They had been having classes at CCoC since Aug the year prior (2015). MWF at 5:00 a.m.

*Usually a targetted murder involves someone who knows the victim. Police have cleared family and friends and numerous other people as POIs. Targeted can be for many reasons, not necessarily knowing the person. MPD has said people have been cleared - as in they were not the Suspect that was in the church on video. Since no one as been arrested, it is unknown if they will become POI or Suspects as more evidence is obtained. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

This was from December 2017..
"A year later, police have sifted through about 1,400 tips. Johnson says there are still a few “lingering people of interest” who haven't been excluded. A full-time investigator remains assigned to the case. No one has been publicly ruled as out as a suspect, not even her husband. Johnson says Bevers’ husband has been all but cleared and they no longer consider him a person of interest, much less a suspect."
Source: http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/still-no-answers-one-year-after-missy-bevers-murder/431968162

Yes, he may be "all but cleared," but at the same time they're not going to tell any POI or suspect that they are one when they're watching them. They're not going to show their cards. If anything, they're going to make whomever they're investigating think they're walking free and clear. The perp at somepoint will do something that makes them slip up...it's just a matter of when, and who is watching. IMO.

Also, my point wasn't to say anything about BB involvement. It's that they haven't said publicly who their suspects/POI are and their status of being cleared or not....

Respectfully bolded and colored by me. The article referenced http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/still-no-answers-one-year-after-missy-bevers-murder/431968162 is from WFAA 7:14 AM. CDT April 18, 2017 not Dec 2017. JMHO the cleared is they are all (People listed in SWs) cleared of being the Suspect in the video inside the church.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I was thinking......the way she was murdered. Is that more of a woman thing to repeatedly poke her in the chest and face? Would a man do that?

And again, maybe it's misdirection by SP.

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I keep having thoughts of someone trying to set someone else up as the suspect. Why or whom, no idea but male or female that could work for me. But I don't believe they will be as lucky in the long run as they seem to be right now. Unless it was a hired hit and that person has moved on - everyone has a continence, even if just a little. It will eat at them and something will cause them to break. Maybe that little DNA comment will cause them to freak a little - or maybe relax and mess up. I don't believe much of any media reporting, and MPD although quoted, it is not a sworn statement.

“The little bit of physical evidence that we had we actually sent to a private lab. We sent it to them specifically because they were involved in that technology and the ability to do that,” Johnson said. “The problem was the quality of the sample we sent was not sufficient. They needed more of a complete profile and what we had was a partial and mixed profile.” http://www.waxahachietx.com/news/20...sy-bevers-putting-together-team-of-fresh-eyes

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think they'd be able to tell. I also think there's definitely more specifics on how she died that they're not releasing. JMO

RBBM they def know more:

Published on May 4, 2016
Start around the 2:00 mark.. the reporter said tried to speak with MPD on camera but they instead just issued a statement... "...they would not be commenting further on the affidavits especially not about the cause of Missy's death or mechanism of injury - information only the killer would know" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsSgzgJFpQ&feature=youtu.be

(MB case Murder 19.02(b)(1) per FB SW)

The cause of death is the disease or injury that produces the physiological disruption inside the body resulting in death, for example, a gunshot wound to the chest.

The mechanism of death is the physiological derangement that results in the death. An example of a mechanism of death due to the gunshot wound described above is exsanguination (extreme blood loss).

Last but not least, the manner of death is how the death came about.

Manner of death can be classified in six ways:

1) Natural
2) Accident
3) Suicide
4) Homicide
5) Undetermined
6) Pending
https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-l...tigation/cause-mechanism-and-manner-of-death/

 

[arkansasmimi]

To me, the perp chose the inside of the church because he had control of that environment. He had disabled a door to prevent an escape from inside the church and I think he knew where he needed to be when Missy entered the church. Outdoors would mean Missy would have a better chance of escaping and I don't think he could have snuck up on her as easily outside as it looks that the porte cochere was well lit.
Missy was physically fit and being outdoors makes me think she would have had a greater chance to escape and also a greater chance of a witness. I think it is always a goal of a killer to want to put as much time between the crime and the discovery of the crime. If she had been murdered outside, I think the first Camper on scene would have seen her body in my opinion. With her body inside the building, the first one on the scene was hesitant to enter the church. Once another Camper or Campers arrived, they felt a little safer to enter the building together.

Hey Boots!!
Ok so where do you get that the Suspect disabled the door to prevent an escape from inside?

 

[arkansasmimi]

But hitting her on the head with the breaching tool did work, even if it makes no sense to you. Just going back to the Media & Timeline thread for refresher. The killer was not in the church for hours.

"Suspect first appeared on surveillance camera at 3:50 a.m."

"4:16 a.m. Mrs. Bevers' truck is caught on surveillance camera driving into the church parking lot."

"4:20 a.m. Mrs. Bevers appears on video surveillance camera walking into the church."

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93761&d=1462365247

I don't know how long it took the killer to actually break into the church, nor how long he spent out of sight of the camera, but according to the timeline it was only 30 minutes from the time he appeared on camera until Missy entered the church.

One thing I didn't remember from the official press release was that "Mrs. Bevers entered the building carrying some equipment for the boot camp class that was moved inside due to the weather."

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93758&d=1462364723

Soooo that would mean if Missy was carrying equipment in the building that her hands could have been full at the time of the attack. Unless she ran smack down into the killer which should have been caught on camera and likely she would have dropped whatever she was carrying. Or he waited for her to carry the equipment to where the class was going to be held and hit her from behind as she put the equipment down. Hard to say. The killer had the element of surprise on his side and I think that is a given.

There was what looked like equipment in media videos next to MB truck. Spann said she was unloading her truck. We are given 2 times of entry 4:18 in the SWs and 4:20 in the police time line. on the MPD page. So possible she entered, them came back out ane went back inside. That always has bugged me.

iPhone & iPad SW Probable Cause
At approximately 0418 hours, the victim Terri Bevers is observed entering the building through the main door under the awning area. The video shows Terri Bevers walking toward where the suspects location. Neigher the suspect nor victim were seen again on video. The victim was later found deceased at the south west corner of the interior of the building.

The unknown suspect is the only person detected within the building during a period of approximately thirty (30 ) minutes when the victim and decedent, Terri "Missy" Leann Bevers, was murdered, and it is reasonably believed that the said unknown suspect is responsible in part or in full for murdering Ms.Bevers

Time wise there is 1 hr 10 min
3:50 Suspect first seen on video
5:00 first calls to 911
350 -418 ... Suspect first seen on video - time MB first enters building
418 -500 ... MB seen first entering -911 calls made

But as far as the 30 mins goes. JMHO... just from watching the 2 min video we know that Suspect was in area and the video stops starts (as when entered the room across from Holy Ground then came out) No idea how long was actually in that room but if you watch the version with time stamp clicking it is only seconds. JMHO they have 30 min of video to back up their claim of only person "detected within the building" when MB was murdered. Next time anyone is detected on video will be when campers come in through the SW doors and cause the cameras to click on.
JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

There was what looked like equipment in media videos next to MB truck. Spann said she was unloading her truck. We are given 2 times of entry 4:18 in the SWs and 4:20 in the police time line. on the MPD page. So possible she entered, them came back out ane went back inside. That always has bugged me.

iPhone & iPad SW Probable Cause
At approximately 0418 hours, the victim Terri Bevers is observed entering the building through the main door under the awning area. The video shows Terri Bevers walking toward where the suspects location. Neigher the suspect nor victim were seen again on video. The victim was later found deceased at the south west corner of the interior of the building.

The unknown suspect is the only person detected within the building during a period of approximately thirty (30 ) minutes when the victim and decedent, Terri "Missy" Leann Bevers, was murdered, and it is reasonably believed that the said unknown suspect is responsible in part or in full for murdering Ms.Bevers

Time wise there is 1 hr 10 min
3:50 Suspect first seen on video
5:00 first calls to 911
350 -418 ... Suspect first seen on video - time MB first enters building
418 -500 ... MB seen first entering -911 calls made

But as far as the 30 mins goes. JMHO... just from watching the 2 min video we know that Suspect was in area and the video stops starts (as when entered the room across from Holy Ground then came out) No idea how long was actually in that room but if you watch the version with time stamp clicking it is only seconds. JMHO they have 30 min of video to back up their claim of only person "detected within the building" when MB was murdered. Next time anyone is detected on video will be when campers come in through the SW doors and cause the cameras to click on.
JMHO

JMHO something else, we just assume that they do not have MB and Suspect on video together or at the least within the same time stamp time frame. How else would they be able to say she was walking to the Suspects location? All we have been told, is "MB walking down main hall way to Suspect location" in SWs.and Spann comments to media 4/18. Then after the camera shuts off neither are seen again. We don't know how long it was that it took to walk that far. Could have stopped- could have encountered the suspect and they walk off together her unsuspecting... She could have just sprinted on out of view alone we just don't know.

We are told by Captain John Spannretty quick after she got there. Again, the timeline from the boot camp members that were arriving there ––again, we know the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around 4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion, and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have no video of the assault actually taking place.

They are NOT going to release the rest of video they have. The only reason we got the 2nd released 2min video was only in hopes of gait and mannerism that someone may recognize. That is what MPD has said. We can wish its our nosey human nature. But jmho there is stuff on there that can be used once they make an arrest. Stuff that the Suspect may not realize or as someone said up thread maybe that is why they added the zoomed in bit at the end of the MPD released video. They don't need us to help solve it, just if someone knows something to call. WE can't solve it. JMHO unless we know the killer that is. And I don't. Someone KNOWS the Killer, they just may not KNOW it, yet.

 

[cady]

There is a photo, taken from outside of the main doors, that we have talked about before, where it appears to show investigators stooped down inside of the doors, toward the south side. If that is where Missy was found, LE can still get away with referring to the area as the SW part of the building even though it is just barely SW. But why Missy would have walked that far is beyond me. If she had a key card for the SW doors, she didn't need to open the front doors. Reportedly, she was ON CAMERA entering from the SW doors and walking WEST, turning right and heading toward the NORTH, where she was assaulted. Why? JMO

 

[cady]

Does anyone know if Missy typically brought all of her own equipment, or did she usually borrow a card table or some table belonging to the church, to register new campers? Could she have intended to use one of those glass tables, and was on her way to get it or reaching for it when she was assaulted? Dunno. JMO COULD that explain the glass near her body?

 

[janesmith787]

Does anyone know if Missy typically brought all of her own equipment, or did she usually borrow a card table or some table belonging to the church, to register new campers? Could she have intended to use one of those glass tables, and was on her way to get it or reaching for it when she was assaulted? Dunno. JMO COULD that explain the glass near her body?

Trainers typically bring their own equipment each time, but I can’t say exactly what MB did.


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