TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #44

[Gae]

Snipped by me

I’m sorry folks, but I can almost guarantee you that the MPD will not solve this case. There just isn’t the hutzpah, the sheer will and determination necessary being demonstrated that it takes to break a seemingly complex case. Someone is going to have to start chirping or do something 4rth-grade-stupid for this to be resolved. MSM isn’t active on the caseand there doesn’t look like an outside expert has been incentivized to potentially pop it.

Meanwhile, a cold-blooded killer walks among us; And Justice weeps.

I agree, and I'd still like to know for certain if a private investigator has ever been hired by the family. If not, why not?

 

[rosesfromangels]

As someone who has played a ton of video games, including first person shooters like Call of Duty, I believe that the SW is not acting at all like they're in an video game. Those that LARP (live action roleplay) tactical scenarios would not just meander around the corridors, idly touching the walls, randomly opening closets and half-heartedly breeching doors. It looks more like killing time than action with a purpose (also why I don't think this is intended vandalism or burglary either). Watch a paintball event, that's closer to what it would be like. They'd move between cover, they'd hug corners, they'd open doors quickly and systematically scope out the rooms etc. JMO, of course.

Thanks. Good info.
I don’t mean video games literally, but playing out some demented fantasy. I chose the term video games, but your good post shows the flaw in that suggestion.

 

[SteveS]

I don't know if the exterior SW (porte cochere) doors were unlocked--can't remember. (Though the interior set of those is seen propped open in the SP viveo. My guess those were propped by maintenance Sunday evening after the people left a fathering there. It had been wet and puddly Sunday, and that would allow the entry carpeting seen in the video frames in that SW entry to dry.)

Missy's equipment can be seen ourside piled next to those exterior SW doors. My opinion is that she may have unloaded the stuff there where it wouldn't ger wet but then walked around to the church's main W entrance in order to gain access to the building. However, even if that SW door had been accessible to code or key and unlocked and entered, I still believe she may have been ambushed by someone hiding in the main foyer.

I'm not quite sure what you're speculating here, but factually, MB entered the building via the SW doors, not the W doors. That has been made clear by LE and is not in question.

 

[Brazenkane]

Anyone have a link with recent stats whereby vandalism results in murder?

No stats on vandalism. But across the country, on average 20 people are murdered a week during a robbery/burglary

 

[WannaBDetective]

No stats on vandalism. But across the country, on average 20 people are murdered a week during a robbery/burglary

Robbery is targeted (with a potentially harmful or deadly weapon). Burglary targets property. Data that lumps those two together is not useful, since the question is targeted person vs targeted property.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Missed it, thanks

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You're welcome--easy to miss. (Sorry for brevity--been in and out this afternoon).

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Poirotry........are you saying that the SW entrance was locked and never unlocked by Missy because she went in via the W (main) entrance, was assaulted, and never made it to the SW entrance to open the door?.......meaning that the campers who found her, went around the building and entered the W(main) entrance, where they found Missy? This is all news to me. ????? JMO

I'm not quite sure what you're speculating here, but factually, MB entered the building via the SW doors, not the W doors. That has been made clear by LE and is not in question.

Thanks, SteveS. I'd either forgotten that was established or never heard that for certain (and would love a link if anyone happens to have one handy so I can try to remember it). Regardless of the point of entry, I no longer believe she was ambushed near the SW entrance, but closer to the main W foyer. (That is the main difference to my theory since posting in the earlier threads.)

ETA: And, whether or not that W door had been unlocked from the outside, a killer could still exit via those doors once he was inside. (Per code, even exteriorly-locked doors are operable from the inside; otherwise it's a fire hazard.) So I'm still entertaining the thought that SP may have left by those doors (until someone shows me they were covered by security camera, at least ).

 

[whoanellie]

Bold and snipped by me

You mention an extremely important point. MB's puncture wounds were consistent with the tool(s) found near her body. In other words, the tool(s) that likely caused her death was left behind at the scene. Fast forward to December 2016. When LE executed the SW on BWH, they were still looking for the hammer and breaching tools. Think about it.

" The warrant issued late in the afternoon of April 19 and obtained May 3, states that Bevers "had multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest" that "are consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building." "

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

" The warrant issued late in the afternoon of April 19 and obtained May 3, states that Bevers "had multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest" that "are consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building." "

You could bold another phrase of that last sentence and get a different impression:

"had multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest" that "are consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building."

No one knows the murder weapon, and LE have declined to specify that for well over a year, now. One way of interpreting the above statement is to acknowledge that LE have carefully worded their statement in order to continue to maintain a degree of vagueness, not only about her wounds but about what exactly the murder weapon was that caused them.

In other words, if it turns out that she was indeed killed by gunshot, LE have not lied, here. Certain guns and ammo could also leave wounds 'consistent with' the tools SP was seen carrying about the building. Saying the wounds were 'consistent with' the type of destruction caused by one weapon does not necessarily establish that it *was* the murder weapon, and it also doesn't by necessity rule out another weapon capable of similarly destructive violence.

 

[Boudy]

In what part of the church was the last segment recorded? Where the SP came out of one door and broke the glass across the hall. I never thought of where it could be.


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[Tippy Lynn]

Headline of New York Times article tonight: As F.B.I. Took a Year to Pursue the Dr. Nassar Case, Dozens say They Were Molested. “As the inquiry moved with little urgency, a cost was being paid,” the article began. The New York Times has identified at least 40 girls and women who say that Dr. Nassar molested them between July 2015, when he first fell under FBI scrutinyand September 2016, when he was exposed by an Indianapolis Star investigation.”

The article went on to document how weeks turned into months and months to a year+ while more and more parents brought the nightmares and abuses, called “intervaginal adjustments” by the molester, to law enforcement. It all just sat on a desk somewhere, bouncing around, while few phone calls or inquiries were made, stagnating the case. It finally took the USA Gymnastics eventually retaining what it called a “an experienced female investigator”. After a year+ of no progress, she was finally able to instigate some movement on the case within law enforcement. It was ultimately the independent investigator and MSM that took the necessary action to “solve” this.

Yesterday, John David Battaglia, who shot and killed his 9 year old and 6 year old daughter was executed. He killed them to get back at his ex-wife back, their mother, who he had gotten on the phone. She had to listen while the 9 year old screamed in the terror, “No daddy’ Don’t do it.”He executed both of them point blank. It happened 16 YEARS ago.

Forgive me for being cynical, but where else in society do things get dragged out for months and years? except law enforcement/criminal justice? I’m a parent. What if I grounded my kid for something they did 3 years ago? I’m a businessman. What if I took weeks, months, year(s)? to solve a major problem. Weeks/Months to get back to sales leads, or unhappy clients (like Sgt Vaughn says he’s doing with his leads). He’s “KIND OF puttinga group together” and “HOPES that we can get together within the next MONTH.” “JUST COMING UP WITH A PLAN FOR THAT.” “TRYING to hand pick some folks…”

I’m sorry folks, but I can almost guarantee you that the MPD will not solve this case. There just isn’t the hutzpah, the sheer will and determination necessary being demonstrated that it takes to break a seemingly complex case. Someone is going to have to start chirping or do something 4rth-grade-stupid for this to be resolved. MSM isn’t active on the caseand there doesn’t look like an outside expert has been incentivized to potentially pop it.

Meanwhile, a cold-blooded killer walks among us; And Justice weeps.

This is great! I can’t imagine dragging my feet at my job and nobody calling me out. It’s sad that LE seem to get a free pass so often. To be honest it pisses me off.

 

[CoolDude234]

In what part of the church was the last segment recorded? Where the SP came out of one door and broke the glass across the hall. I never thought of where it could be.

NE corner of the church -- hopefully this attachment will help.

 

[rosesfromangels]

This is great! I can’t imagine dragging my feet at my job and nobody calling me out. It’s sad that LE seem to get a free pass so often. To be honest it pisses me off.

Law enforcement is so grossly under resourced. If we want to see change, we need to adjust budgets to bring on more specialists at all levels. I understand the anger, but LE is not the problem.

I have the utmost respect, admiration, and awe for the job they do day in and day out. I support The Blue!

 

[whoanellie]

You could bold another phrase of that last sentence and get a different impression:

"had multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest" that "are consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building."

No one knows the murder weapon, and LE have declined to specify that for well over a year, now. One way of interpreting the above statement is to acknowledge that LE have carefully worded their statement in order to continue to maintain a degree of vagueness, not only about her wounds but about what exactly the murder weapon was that caused them.

In other words, if it turns out that she was indeed killed by gunshot, LE have not lied, here. Certain guns and ammo could also leave wounds 'consistent with' the tools SP was seen carrying about the building. Saying the wounds were 'consistent with' the type of destruction caused by one weapon does not necessarily establish that it *was* the murder weapon, and it also doesn't by necessity rule out another weapon capable of similarly destructive violence.

My point is there is a big difference between "consistent with the tool(s) found near her body" and "consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building"
I'm not sure where people got the "found near her body" notion. If there is a source or link I would appreciate it!

 

[SandyQLS]

My point is there is a big difference between "consistent with the tool(s) found near her body" and "consistent with tools the suspect was carrying throughout the building"
I'm not sure where people got the "found near her body" notion. If there is a source or link I would appreciate it!

This is all I could find quickly, but there were many, many articles on this case early on and it may have come from the media.

From the 4-22-2016 presser with MPD:

Assistant Chief Kevin Johnson: That's correct, and I think we've
previously indicated that there were some various tools found around the
crime scene that we're analyzing.

 

[RosalindaA]

I agree with both the frustration with LE here but I also recognize that there can be reasons why cases don't seem to progress as they should. Just from observing from another country, I have noticed that perhaps in the USA there is quite a high bar to scale in terms of evidence to get a major case to trial. It almost seems like there has to be a 99% watertight prosecution for it to go ahead. I would say we are more "hit and hope" in the UK, just my impression. The downside is we probably get more collapsed cases and not guilty verdicts, I expect.

Obviously I don't know if that is the problem here. I would imagine that one of the biggest problems is that without very strong evidence it is going to be easy for the defence to introduce the possibility of other suspects as Missy had a wide social circle and because the location of the crime allows the possibility (in some people's eyes) that it was a random stranger attack. So I can see why it's taking a long time, but as WannaB, Tippy, and others have commented when there doesn't seem to be much public pressure to solve this (even from her husband) it has lost momentum badly.

And the "relaxed" statement from Sgt Vaughan! Maybe it's just the way he talks but I would hit the roof if an investigator talked like this if a family member of mine had been murdered. I even wondered if it was a "bluff" to lull the killer into a false sense of security.

 

[Bootsctr]

BBM I don't remember seeing where he didn't want the killer to be found. Sorry I must have missed it

ABC News from December 17, 2017

This is not the video where BB states he is no longer searching for Missy's murderer, BUT it does state at 2:36 into the video that "police have not said publicly what weapon was used to murder Missy." . . .

"Her husband says they were NOT going through financial troubles at the time of the murder."

[video=youtube;LZfPhPThH5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZfPhPThH5s[/video]

? Still looking for the video - think it was People that he told he was no longer going to be searching for the killer. It is in the previous thread #43.

I'm really starting to wonder if this was a woman - somebody like Stephanie Lazarus. Lazarus was smart, but she didn't count on her DNA being collected and kept for years. I mean this killer knew what touch DNA was and fully covered to prevent any touch DNA.

http://people.com/crime/how-lapd-detective-stephanie-lazarus-murdered-sherri-rasmussen/

Also, LE can lie if they want to and I think they are not telling the weapon that killed Missy. I'm sure BB knows. But there has to be something kept from public knowledge so they will know when they catch the real killer. I feel like it has to be a gun. She was seen by several campers and they must have seen the hammers and breaching tools, but the killer took the gun with them. I bet they did smell gun powder!

 

[Bootsctr]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10RFBopG2U&index=157&list=LLGyn3K32tMPHg_uhIHNqGNA

"He's done searching for the killer."

 

[janesmith787]

I think there was a gun and then the additional wounds were over kill in complete rage. IMO they went after her head and chest to disfigure her. Whether it was a hit or not, this was an intentional murder. I think it’s taking forever because whenever did this, did lots of things to throw MPD off in the beginning. AGAIN MOO.


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[Bootsctr]

This is great! I can’t imagine dragging my feet at my job and nobody calling me out. It’s sad that LE seem to get a free pass so often. To be honest it pisses me off.

There are bad apples in every bunch. I'm looking for a link to an article that talks about investigators often becoming bored with cases they are trying to solve if there isn't a quick resolution and will put cases on the back burner.