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You do know that I’m talking about an area that is all the way to the North, and you’re talking about an area that’s halfway back the other direction?
TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #46
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Yes. Sorry, I'm trying to anticipate what you're getting at. Obviously I'm off the mark. Please disregard.
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Everybody,
Last night and this morning I’ve gotten some information that answers some questions we’ve all had for a long time. I’m still mulling over the most responsible way to handle it in total. But for now, I want to share this one bit of information exclusively here on Websleuths, as a way of expressing my appreciation to the members here and most importantly to @Tricia, the owner of this fine establishment. I haven’t posted this information anywhere else for now.
So here it is. The below picture is a representation of a glass display case that was inside Creekside Church:
Purpose of the Display Case
Each Sunday, someone was posted behind the display case. Children earned points for memorizing and reciting Bible verses. They could “cash in” their points in exchange for toys or candy that were contained within the display case.
What Happened To It
During the incident between Missy and her killer, this display case was shattered. It is the source of the glass that was found around her.
Last night and this morning I’ve gotten some information that answers some questions we’ve all had for a long time. I’m still mulling over the most responsible way to handle it in total. But for now, I want to share this one bit of information exclusively here on Websleuths, as a way of expressing my appreciation to the members here and most importantly to @Tricia, the owner of this fine establishment. I haven’t posted this information anywhere else for now.
So here it is. The below picture is a representation of a glass display case that was inside Creekside Church:
Purpose of the Display Case
Each Sunday, someone was posted behind the display case. Children earned points for memorizing and reciting Bible verses. They could “cash in” their points in exchange for toys or candy that were contained within the display case.
What Happened To It
During the incident between Missy and her killer, this display case was shattered. It is the source of the glass that was found around her.
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Thank you GS for posting this. So, MB most likely met her killer somewhere around that area? Can we assume that?
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One would think. We can make a very solid assumption that where she ended up was within arm’s reach of where the display case stood. The glass could not have moved to some other location to be around her body.
What we can’t know for sure is where exactly she and SP encountered one another and how much ground was covered in the attack.
Did SP chase her?
Did she get to that corner and SP came around that corner and it went down right there at that spot?
Did SP shoot her and she walked some slight distance before collapsing into the display case?
With no footage, these are questions for which we may never have answers, unless SP tells us.
@No it's not : I wanted to revise my comments and follow up on this brilliant work of yours.
While I can clearly see your evolved Face, I was having trouble seeing the Face as a passenger. I went back through the SWFA video several times from about 1:05 to 1:08 stopping often to try to catch different frames. And then I "got it"! With limited "normal" resources like mine no one would never find the Face - but because of your work, I can find the pale blotch (at about 1:07) that you clarified into the Face, then track the pale blotch.
At about 1:05 the paleness is large, maybe looks like a seat, is the passenger wearing dark clothing? At about 1:06 the paleness is different, smaller, and darkness around it - it looks to me like the pale blotch (Face) is turning and moving left (toward driver) but still a full face in view through the windshield and maybe I see the kerchiefed driver is in the driver's window, too. At about 1:07 the lower part of the pale blotch (Face) is then partially obscured (same as your Face) by the car's windshield frame due to forward movement of the car. So yes I believe I see the Face is leaning left over the center console even over driver's right arm to look out the driver's window, just as you described. Wow! A passenger...
BTW your 1:07 Face frame includes a raindrop on the camera lens that takes a chunk out of the far right side car and windshield. The (some prior) frame near 1:06 where I think the whole face can be seen does not include that defect-causing raindrop.
The sequence seems like a natural movement. In small sedans as opposed to SUVs and trucks, you do have to duck down and lean over to look out the window to see, for example, business name signage along a strip mall, because the small car low roof blocks the view.
Have you tried the same process on the series of frames immediately preceding the one you posted? I hope so, and I hope you sent your work to LE. The FBI certainly has the resources and personnel to do what you have done.
IMO I sincerely believe you may have broken the case with your hard work, and I hope they pay you.
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A little more info in an interview with “Think Theo”.
Podcaster lands high profile interview with Brandon Bevers, the husband of Missy Bevers who was murdered in a Texas church | PIX11
Podcaster lands high profile interview with Brandon Bevers, the husband of Missy Bevers who was murdered in a Texas church | PIX11
Great! Just a few questions:
1). When will you be revealing the rest of what you've learned?
2). Was this championship box located at the NW entry at the end of the hallway?
3). I recall pics taken through the glass window/doorways at the West (main) entrance. It "appeared" that MB's body was in that area and crime scene techs were working there.
4). If she was killed near the glass box, what were we/I seeing through the big West doors ?
5). Dang, this puts a different twist on things. Was SP lurking in the north hallway? He would have activated the camera if he was midway or by Rm 7 and or 8 .I'm still not sure how he would have made it back through 7 or 8 without activating that camera. But, police have said neither was seen again.
TIA
In that short quip, BB was p.oed. He kept looking up like he was speaking to someone other than the interviewer.
Was someone else there or was he venting at the camera person???
Something about this sets me on edge. Is there somewhere other than spotify where I can view this?
Thanks GS for the extra information. It would be interesting to know if there were any forensics carried out on the shattered glass. Not sure if there is a way to determine the exact cause of the shattered glass, maybe different patterns for different sources? If there was a confrontation between SP and Missy here, maybe this is was the source of the possible mixture of DNA between SP and Missy?
If SP chased Missy, that would probably change my perception of this being an interrupted burglary to something more sinister.
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1. Soon. Probably in a Live Q&A this weekend because those are interesting to do and I like the real-time instant reactions. The other info concerns the cameras and the damage to the NE entrance.
2. Yes. If you’re walking north, it was on the right, Up against the auditorium wall, right before you make the right turn to go down the kitchen hallway.
3. I recall that as well but I believe it was just one pic, the one with crime scene tape on the door handles.
4. I think maybe we were seeing what we wanted/expected to see. The glass is extremely reflective and it was difficult to distinguish the interior. But with that said, just because Missy ended up at the NW, that doesn’t mean that the conflict started there.
5. When police said “neither was seen again”, I think the implied rest of the sentence was “until after the murder.” Because Spann said in the first press conference that SP was in fact seen afterward “going up a hallway” is how I believe he worded it, and he went on to say “presumably the same way he came in.” So SP kills Missy, goes back east along that northern hall, and turns back in to either 7 or 8. The west-facing camera down at the NE entrance would have either picked up SP or perhaps recorded empty hall if SP was moving too fast.
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Look up Think Theo on YouTube
Can you explain how? I’m curious as to what makes you in disagreement with @Jethro4WS
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An iPad can send data over a cellular connection. Can't make or receive calls or send or receive SMS texts via the phone system. When a data transaction goes from an iPad (and in most cases your phone) gets to the tower it gets sent down a different path into internet space rather than into the phone system which are separate infrastructures.
That is why I said earlier (concerning phones) that only some data actually gets sent from your phone to AT&T (or Verizon, Sprint), whatever crosses the phone system has to fit in predefined transactions defined in what is called Signaling System 7 (SS7). Certain data kept on your phone is meant to be sent via the phone system. Data sent by Apps and especially web traffic do not meet that and go via an internet pathway rather than the phone system and which pathway is used is determined by the tower.
This display case was in the main hallway? near the aquarium in the NW area? If SP and MB were chasing down hallways, the security cameras should have picked this up? We know the SW says MB was found in the "southwest corner", which could mean southwest quadrant. Can you clarify where the display was located? and could it be moved around, eg not mounted or too heavy? Thanks for helping us all on the floorplan
Re: #3 is it this photo? Looking through the upper right door panel... and I believe it played on TV news at the time;, and I saw this same image just the other day in an anniversary clip on NBC Dallas.
posted by No It's Not, thread#37 page#23 post#459
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It should be the glass item at the NE corner as seen in the attached image.This display case was in the main hallway? near the aquarium in the NW area? If SP and MB were chasing down hallways, the security cameras should have picked this up? We know the SW says MB was found in the "southwest corner", which could mean southwest quadrant. Can you clarify where the display was located? and could it be moved around, eg not mounted or too heavy? Thanks for helping us all on the floorplan
Yes. That's it!Re: #3 is it this photo? Looking through the upper right door panel... and I believe it played on TV news at the time;, and I saw this same image just the other day in an anniversary clip on NBC Dallas.
posted by No It's Not, thread#37 page#23 post#459
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The search warrant is wrong. I don’t know whether to attribute it to a typo or a miscommunication, but Missy was at the NW corner and not the SW corner. I know that’s hard to believe after believing something else for 5 years. I’m in the same boat.This display case was in the main hallway? near the aquarium in the NW area? If SP and MB were chasing down hallways, the security cameras should have picked this up? We know the SW says MB was found in the "southwest corner", which could mean southwest quadrant. Can you clarify where the display was located? and could it be moved around, eg not mounted or too heavy? Thanks for helping us all on the floorplan
Here is the aquarium:
Here is the display case although it’s difficult to see and there are things either stacked on top of it or next to it:
Here is the map. The question mark shows where the display case was:
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