Scout
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I will put up cold hard cash, that there was no gun used in this case!!!
Why are you so certain?
I will put up cold hard cash, that there was no gun used in this case!!!
The city of Midlothian requires a permit for security alarm systems. According to what was said in one of the press conferences Creekside had not taken out a permit.Didn't someone post that when there is an alarm system in a building,in Texas, that there would be a registration or something posted on the entrance of the building?
I seem to recall something about that very early on in the case.
I found it interesting today to go back and watch the pressers and read available transcripts. There are nuggets in there that answer questions we've been debating, such as whether the class was going to be inside as I mentioned in another post. It's just hard to remember and keep track of it all. I'm watching the very first April 18 presser and here are some interesting tidbits. Some of them you may have kept track of from the beginning; others, maybe you forgot like I did:
1. Spann is asked at about the 7:00 mark if the suspect appeared to be armed. Spann replies, "Could not tell from the video if he was armed. He did appear to have some type of object that he was using to pry on doors." Spann moves pretty smoothly in answering this question. To me, this answers the question of whether a gun was used. I think Spann would have hesitated in some way to edit himself to not mention the gun, if there was clear evidence of a bullet wound.
2. At about 7:47 he says the campers "went into the building to start their boot camp, and that's when they located her." Dispels the rumor that they saw something amiss through the window and THEN went to investigate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLtwTK2hq8&feature=youtu.be
Why are you so certain?
Could be, or it could not be. Time will tell. Wonder why the ATF K9 was there1ST LE would have no motivation to misrepresent anything in a search warrant. The phrase "puncture wounds" in no way indicates the use of a fire arm.
2nd The use of a firearm is derived from pure speculation, and requires that we believe LE is hiding or choosing to mislead the public, and again, I site the lack of motivation.
3rd There was no firearm visible on the suspect nor has there been any official mention of a firearm being used.
4th If the suspect had a gun, why would he/she bludgeon MB to death? Wouldn't it have made more sense just to shoot her.
5th There were multiple puncture wounds. This leads me to believe the suspect had no problem doing the deed. Are we to believe he/she got squeamish half way through the job and pulled out the gun.
6th Why would the suspect draw un necessary attention to the scene?
I could go on?
1ST LE would have no motivation to misrepresent anything in a search warrant. The phrase "puncture wounds" in no way indicates the use of a fire arm.
2nd The use of a firearm is derived from pure speculation, and requires that we believe LE is hiding or choosing to mislead the public, and again, I site the lack of motivation.
3rd There was no firearm visible on the suspect nor has there been any official mention of a firearm being used.
4th If the suspect had a gun, why would he/she bludgeon MB to death? Wouldn't it have made more sense just to shoot her.
5th There were multiple puncture wounds. This leads me to believe the suspect had no problem doing the deed. Are we to believe he/she got squeamish half way through the job and pulled out the gun.
6th Why would the suspect draw un necessary attention to the scene?
I could go on?
I attempted to contact that Tarrant County investigation unit a few times, but I did not try the DA. I was unable to penetrate the first switchboard layer, being repeatedly told that Tarrant Co did not work on this case. No matter how I tried to explain, they simply would not forward the call and told me to contact MPD as it was "their jurisdiction".
This is an interesting area. I would like to know what time it was - from the time stamps - when SP exited Room 12 and entered the door across from it at the end of the 2 minute+ video they released.
If this was planned, rather than a burglary gone wrong, the first variable totally out of their control was what time specifically Missy would arrive. They would have to already be where they wanted to kill her by time she arrived or else they would be running across the church (via the sanctuary/auditorium) because they were in the diagonally opposite corner (NE) than the area Missy was killed when last seen on the video that was released.
The questions then become why the secrecy about the cause of death? And why, as MPD stated, do they believe withholding that gives them a strategic advantage?1ST LE would have no motivation to misrepresent anything in a search warrant. The phrase "puncture wounds" in no way indicates the use of a fire arm.
2nd The use of a firearm is derived from pure speculation, and requires that we believe LE is hiding or choosing to mislead the public, and again, I site the lack of motivation.
3rd There was no firearm visible on the suspect nor has there been any official mention of a firearm being used.
4th If the suspect had a gun, why would he/she bludgeon MB to death? Wouldn't it have made more sense just to shoot her.
5th There were multiple puncture wounds. This leads me to believe the suspect had no problem doing the deed. Are we to believe he/she got squeamish half way through the job and pulled out the gun.
6th Why would the suspect draw un necessary attention to the scene?
I could go on?
They're definitely withholding, as they should be. The fact they called it "puncture wounds" is interesting, as many things cause puncture wounds. Normally you'd see "stabbing", "gunshot", "bludgeoning". But "puncture wounds"? Carefully chosen wording, IMO.The questions then become why the secrecy about the cause of death? And why, as MPD stated, do they believe withholding that gives them a strategic advantage?
Disclaimer: All of my posts and the post below are my opinion and are for entertainment purposes only.
Based on the things I've heard I think that MPD and the Ellis County Sheriff's office are doing a great job at working what turned out to be a fairly complex investigation. It's extremely difficult to catch a thief turned murderer with the only motive being not to get caught. I still believe that an arrest will come in the next 2-3 weeks as things get finalized.
The questions then become why the secrecy about the cause of death? And why, as MPD stated, do they believe withholding that gives them a strategic advantage?
P.S. It makes more sence that the ATF, and FBI was brought in because of the police impersination. The state of the world today (terrorist). Not knowing initaly what this was, the way the perp was dressed, and where they were (a church), and not being able to identify all the things the suspect was carrying in the video. It is likley that they considered this may have been an atempt to bomp a church and thus brougt in drug sniffing dogs. Much less likley that they brout the dogs in because they thought a gun was used in the murder.
Poor dog! RipSpeaking of K9----wasn't the Arlington PD dog Mojo brought in? Sadly, Mojo died earlier this week due to heat exhaustion. He and his handler were pursuing a felon in a wooded area and he become overheated. The veternarian said the thermometer stopped at 110 degrees so they feel his temp exceeded that. He was a beautiful dog. I just thought I recalled a poster in an earlier thread mentioning Mojo.
RIP Mojo
RIP Missy
You can't really control what another human being is going to do. Missy could have slept in an extra 5 minutes. She could have awoken early and left a little earlier. She could have taken a different route to the church that would have changed how much time it would get there. Upon entering the church she could have went down a hallway and SP was waiting down the other. You can have high confidence based on prior actions or behavior where someone will go and when but you can't control what another person may actually do especially if that person doesn't know they have to be in a specific area in that church at or after a specific time. SP could only control that if they went MBs house, woke her, got her in her vehicle, drove to the church and walked her to the spot she was murdered.In my opinion, the murder was carefully planned, and very little was totally out of their control. The weather was, of course, but seems to have helped rather than hindered. I believe the killer(s) had intimate knowledge of her routine, either from direct contact with MB, information from people close to her, from stalking her prior to the murder, or for that matter, knowledge from all three of these possibilities. Saying the time variable was totally out of the killer(s)"s control may be a bit of an overstatement, in my opinion. I would think there were likely windows of time in the plan, i.e. between 0:00 and 0:00 stage the scene; between 0:00 and 0:00 kill the victim, by 0:00 be out of that building. I believe this crime was carefully planned and executed, from the time-buying (best way to describe it!) vandalism to the costume to the actual murder and how he/she/they would kill her. Afterward, their intent to buy more time was successful, as even today, the public can't agree on the gender of the costumed person. I personally have a lot of confidence in LE. - not saying anyone else doesn't. We're dealing with only a very small fraction of what they know, trying to make these few little pieces fit together. I think in big picture, we know very, very little. I still think those Tony Lamas, Justins and Lucchese's are the soft sounds the killer(s) hears - coming for you or y'all, whatever the case may be.
How long would it take to remove the bullet and take it with them? Do you think they PLANNED to do that? That seems time consuming in their little 15 minute window, IMHO. I would want to do it as well, but you would sure have to be cool as a cucumber to do that and then quickly clean up!
The questions then become why the secrecy about the cause of death? And why, as MPD stated, do they believe withholding that gives them a strategic advantage?
They're definitely withholding, as they should be. The fact they called it "puncture wounds" is interesting, as many things cause puncture wounds. Normally you'd see "stabbing", "gunshot", "bludgeoning". But "puncture wounds"? Carefully chosen wording, IMO.
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