TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Jethro4WS]

IMO, these are all pictures of Room 6.

snipped images ....




This is the Dutch door to enter Room 6:

The 3rd picture is definitely K1. Just as before with the S1 resolution. This 3rd pictures confirms and shows the structural column that should be next to the window.

The second photo has the column in the corner that aligns with the NW sanctuary column. And with the matching "faithfulness" sticker that is this room.
The 4th photo I know is a door to this area.

I have to see if there is anything to locate where specifically the 1st photo is within the confines of this space.

I have enlarged the shot of that door to see what if anything can be seen beyond.

If those are the same things then the bathroom seen would be along the K3 wall of this room - starting from the hall end toward the windows -that would be the SE corner of the room. It could be 5 ft wide and 8 long and would be about 5 ft to the right after walking in the door. The door on the bathroom being at the left end of that bathroom if you were looking at it. If you think those are the same things, that is.

I wish we had another picture, because I do expect there should be another in the SW corner of this room that looks just like it.

There aren't too many orientations for bathrooms in the space because of how small the room is overall without at least part of it showing in the 2nd picture. But those kinds of dimensions work, anything bigger makes photo #2 impossible without seeing something.

A mockup of it looks like ...

 

[SandyQLS]

just a random thought - IMO the Nissan Altima is definitely not involved in MB murder because...in the AT&T warrant they only requested data from 3am to 5am on 4/18/16. If they felt the Altima was involved don't you think they would have requested data from the time period that the Altima was in the gun store lot?

The AT&T Tower Dump Warrant was dated 4/21, very early on. It was a month later at the 5/20 presser when they brought up the Altima. I think you bring up a good point. If they had cell tower dump from earlier including 2:00AM that might lead them to the Altima driver or owner who likely had a cell phone in the car pinging the towers. They could have executed additional SW's not yet released?... I posted before that I thought MPD's wording was very selective in saying that "the driver has not come forward", not that they had not located the car.

 

[SandyQLS]

I found this pic (maybe it has been posted before but I don't remember seeing it). This shows CG working out in front of the Worship center. You can see their mats and weights. MB May have been heading towards this area to unload equipment or unlock front doors.

Windrover-- found the pic! It was this thread.

Thanks! That is interesting. However, imagine people doing jumping jacks - is there really enough room? And we know that MB entered through the porte cochere doors into the main hallway and then walked out of camera range to where MPD knew SP was located (hiding)... It confirms to me JMO that she likely entered those auditorium doors, and was murdered inside the SW corner of the auditorium (which is what I thought in the first place) and not in any of the other rooms, trying to fit together the pieces that we know. In this photo, the camera was activated by SP heading down the main hallway toward the porte cochere doors, and the alcove area of those recessed doors is clearly visible to the camera. So MB walking to that same position would still be on camera, and if SP was hiding there, the very physical murder would have been on camera. All JMO

 

[SandyQLS]

Someone remind me - what activities were scheduled for the CG campers the morning of the murder? I am asking to get an idea of the space required. For example, a dozen people working in two-man teams doing pushups and situps on mats does not require much space; but more strenuous activities, and those that might cause any out-of-balance of a participant's body, would be too dangerous in the limited space of the main hallway with obstacles like tables.

 

[Camerabug]

The AT&T Tower Dump Warrant was dated 4/21, very early on. It was a month later at the 5/20 presser when they brought up the Altima. I think you bring up a good point. If they had cell tower dump from earlier including 2:00AM that might lead them to the Altima driver or owner who likely had a cell phone in the car pinging the towers. They could have executed additional SW's not yet released?... I posted before that I thought MPD's wording was very selective in saying that "the driver has not come forward", not that they had not located the car.

Might there be another reason they would want to speak to that driver? One thing is for certain-it will all come out at trial...

 

[Scout]

The 3rd picture is definitely K1. Just as before with the S1 resolution. This 3rd pictures confirms and shows the structural column that should be next to the window.

The second photo has the column in the corner that aligns with the NW sanctuary column. And with the matching "faithfulness" sticker that is this room.
The 4th photo I know is a door to this area.

I have to see if there is anything to locate where specifically the 1st photo is within the confines of this space.

I have enlarged the shot of that door to see what if anything can be seen beyond.

If those are the same things then the bathroom seen would be along the K3 wall of this room - starting from the hall end toward the windows -that would be the SE corner of the room. It could be 5 ft wide and 8 long and would be about 5 ft to the right after walking in the door. The door on the bathroom being at the left end of that bathroom if you were looking at it. If you think those are the same things, that is.

I wish we had another picture, because I do expect there should be another in the SW corner of this room that looks just like it.

There aren't too many orientations for bathrooms in the space because of how small the room is overall without at least part of it showing in the 2nd picture. But those kinds of dimensions work, anything bigger makes photo #2 impossible without seeing something.

A mockup of it looks like ...

How did you determine the dimensions of the kitchen?

 

[GeeEm]

I've missed a couple of threads so forgive me if this has been covered. Great work with the church layout but I'm wondering something: if we knew which room Missy was found in, or which door the perp used, how would it help us find out whodunnit? I was hoping the case would have been cracked by now but it seems not. I'm afraid I just don't think the police have a clue with nothing happened over 3 months later :sigh:

I agree with your post CoverMeCagney! I think a lot of posters have put time and effort into the church layout, however what does that prove who killed Missy?
All we know is that she was found in the SW corner according MPD no other information

I named a few things we are aware of:

It has not been released how she was actually murdered no other information that what MLE presented to the public

Missy went to COC to teach CG attendees at 5pm

We see a person dressed up in Swat Gear(supposedly swat gear not sure if it the acutal uniform)

There is additional surveillance video that has not been released to the public Confirmed by LE

Additional footage was released showing a Nissan with a possible person/s POI during Press conference http://www.fox4news.com/news/143398538-story

SW were made for cell phone tower coverage POI have been listed on SW

LE thinks Perp left the way he may have entered, not verfied

LE is not sure if the perpetrator is male or female and changed the height on the last press conference

Perpetrator appears to have possible "gait" according to LE


So WHY keep posting pictures of the church(COC)which will not identify the murderer? Some posters agree/disagree to which rooms are which vs doors??
This is not going to solve this case.
Can we move on to something else to discuss or is this like:
sharrods vs shards
splatter vs spatter
crockpot vs dinner on stove
FB vs LE
agree vs disagree etc

Honestly I am really being nice, it's just so repetitive and I suppose half of the posters will just stop posting or reading, and I am only talking about myself I only have stated my opinions nothing more

Thanks

 

[Jethro4WS]

How did you determine the dimensions of the kitchen?

Ceiling tile counts from multiple pictures using landmarks on the ceiling like lights and such. Those should be 2x2 tiles in there except the lights which are 4ft long. Estimating the dimensions of the appliances to the right of the K2 entry door is a sanity check. You can't see all of them in the one photo that shows most of them. You will see at least one more from the photo from in Room 8 through the open door to the kitchen. K2 can't be wider than the doorway plus the appliances. For K3 it should be 18 tiles across. If you think you have a photo from in K2 there will be a structural column in that space - a little left of center when looking north.

 

[Scout]

I agree with your post CoverMeCagney! I think a lot of posters have put time and effort into the church layout, however what does that prove who killed Missy?
All we know is that she was found in the SW corner according MPD no other information

I named a few things we are aware of:

It has not been released how she was actually murdered no other information that what MLE presented to the public

Missy went to COC to teach CG attendees at 5pm

We see a person dressed up in Swat Gear(supposedly swat gear not sure if it the acutal uniform)

There is additional surveillance video that has not been released to the public Confirmed by LE

Additional footage was released showing a Nissan with a possible person/s POI during Press conference http://www.fox4news.com/news/143398538-story

SW were made for cell phone tower coverage POI have been listed on SW

LE thinks Perp left the way he may have entered, not verfied

LE is not sure if the perpetrator is male or female and changed the height on the last press conference

Perpetrator appears to have possible "gait" according to LE


So WHY keep posting pictures of the church(COC)which will not identify the murderer? Some posters agree/disagree to which rooms are which vs doors??
This is not going to solve this case.
Can we move on to something else to discuss or is this like:
sharrods vs shards
splatter vs spatter
crockpot vs dinner on stove
FB vs LE
agree vs disagree etc

Honestly I am really being nice, it's just so repetitive and I suppose half of the posters will just stop posting or reading, and I am only talking about myself I only have stated my opinions nothing more

Thanks

If you aren't interested in posts about the layout, don't read them. That discussion does not stand in the way of anything else you may wish to discuss.

 

[Scout]

Ceiling tile counts from multiple pictures using landmarks on the ceiling like lights and such. Those should be 2x2 tiles in there except the lights which are 4ft long. Estimating the dimensions of the appliances to the right of the K2 entry door is a sanity check. You can't see all of them in the one photo that shows most of them. You will see at least one more from the photo from in Room 8 through the open door to the kitchen. K2 can't be wider than the doorway plus the appliances. For K3 it should be 18 tiles across. If you think you have a photo from in K2 there will be a structural column in that space - a little left of center when looking north.

Okay. Thanks, Jethro.

 

[No it's not]

Thanks, Jethro.

If anyone has a good exterior photo of the NW entrance with or without the golf cart, would you please post it? Thanks.

Got this one, Scout:

 

[No it's not]

I haven't seen anything that stops you or anyone else from chattering on about what ever you want to chatter about. There some people that are interested in understanding more about the crime scene and the elements of the crime. You apparently have no interest. I thought that scroll and roll was the operative phrase around here when you don't have any interest in what others are talking about.

BBM

Motive.

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

I agree with your post CoverMeCagney! I think a lot of posters have put time and effort into the church layout, however what does that prove who killed Missy?
All we know is that she was found in the SW corner according MPD no other information

I named a few things we are aware of:

It has not been released how she was actually murdered no other information that what MLE presented to the public

Missy went to COC to teach CG attendees at 5pm

We see a person dressed up in Swat Gear(supposedly swat gear not sure if it the acutal uniform)

There is additional surveillance video that has not been released to the public Confirmed by LE

Additional footage was released showing a Nissan with a possible person/s POI during Press conference http://www.fox4news.com/news/143398538-story

SW were made for cell phone tower coverage POI have been listed on SW

LE thinks Perp left the way he may have entered, not verfied

LE is not sure if the perpetrator is male or female and changed the height on the last press conference

Perpetrator appears to have possible "gait" according to LE


So WHY keep posting pictures of the church(COC)which will not identify the murderer? Some posters agree/disagree to which rooms are which vs doors??
This is not going to solve this case.
Can we move on to something else to discuss or is this like:
sharrods vs shards
splatter vs spatter
crockpot vs dinner on stove
FB vs LE
agree vs disagree etc

Honestly I am really being nice, it's just so repetitive and I suppose half of the posters will just stop posting or reading, and I am only talking about myself I only have stated my opinions nothing more

Thanks

The exact movements of the perp are part of the crime-scene analysis. The analysis leads to a criminal profile, that may indicate motive. There is never too much information, when it comes to murder.

-Nin

 

[Batbrat]

Like Windrower, I also worship with the church of Christ

<snip>
In other words, if you love GOD and love your neighbor as you should, then the other "thou shalt nots" will fall into place.
So, as far as murder possibly being a lesser sin to someone (the perp?) than religious hypocrisy, for instance, that would not make sense because it goes against the great commandment of LOVE which is supposed to be the primary focus of Christianity. Of course, the perp is evil, so no telling what he has going on in his head as far as justification.

This makes sense to me as well. I have heard conversations within the context of this case regarding vengefulness, righteousness, punishment, etc. Does the CoC have a particular stand on worldly or capital punishment? Or is that completely separate from church tenets? Are there Christian churches that believe under certain circumstances it's acceptable/forgivable for their followers to take a life - for instance war, self-defense, crimes against God, etc?

Again, trying to tread carefully here. This is an attempt to understand more about faith, beliefs, and motivations in the context of this case. It's very difficult to find unbiased information online with regards to religion.

 

[greensleuth]

Thanks! That is interesting. However, imagine people doing jumping jacks - is there really enough room? And we know that MB entered through the porte cochere doors into the main hallway and then walked out of camera range to where MPD knew SP was located (hiding)... It confirms to me JMO that she likely entered those auditorium doors, and was murdered inside the SW corner of the auditorium (which is what I thought in the first place) and not in any of the other rooms, trying to fit together the pieces that we know. In this photo, the camera was activated by SP heading down the main hallway toward the porte cochere doors, and the alcove area of those recessed doors is clearly visible to the camera. So MB walking to that same position would still be on camera, and if SP was hiding there, the very physical murder would have been on camera. All JMO

I really apologize if this has been asked before, doing my best to catch up, but in the picture you attached of SP...am I the only person seeing a second person in the background? I may just be imagining things in hopes of finally getting answers, but I really see someone wearing a baseball cap in the back?

 

[Scout]

This entry shows the door that leads to the vestibule from the kitchen and also an open door - other photos exist with the door closed - that leads into an area I have labelled as K1 on the maps I have uploaded. K1 has a set of double windows. The bottom photo shows an outside view of the Kitchen area. In particular, the kitchen window that was broken, the kitchen door and the windows that are in K1. Take note that there is not much coverage from the rain here. Only the 3 foot eaves are there. Unless the rain was falling toward the north or at least straight down (little or no wind) you are going to get plenty wet here. There is an outdoor light right above this door. There is also limited visibility of this area from 287 heading south but truly at that distance and in the rainy conditions I doubt much could be seen there that morning.

But what I think is very important to note about the bottom image is that the windows to K1 are both large and low to the ground. A question that comes to mind is why would SP wrestle with the kitchen door when they could have simply broken that window and gained entry much more easily? For me, it is just one more reason I question the actual point of entry.

Jethro, could you post this kitchen photo without your arrows and comments on it?

 

[Jethro4WS]

BBM

Motive.

-Nin

In my opinion you can't really get to motive unless you have one or more POI to work from. Otherwise you have the generic catch-alls. Unless it was a burglary gone wrong Missy was killed by someone for a very specific reason. They went through a lot of trouble to do it with plenty of other effective alternatives that were less elaborate. For what it is worth I believe the transformation Missy went through, not just physically, was what led to her murder. In her life she had crossed paths with someone that could not have that around. Someone she has known for years before the transformation. Who she had become was more than troublesome for her murderer. Missy couldn't be allowed to continue being part of their world.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro, could you post this kitchen photo without your arrows and comments on it?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro, could you post this kitchen photo without your arrows and comments on it?

 

[Scout]

Thank you!