TX - Uvalde; Robb Elementary, 19 children and 3 adults killed, shooter dead, 24 MAY 2022

[bestill]

Yep. The propped open door is THE biggest issue to take away here. Had that door not been open, precious minutes would have been gained. <modsnip>

And he may have been taken down before he ever got into the school, imo.

eta may

 

[stattlich1]

The propped open door was the way the shooter gained access to the building. Had the door not been propped open would he have been able to get in?

He may have still gotten in. There is NO guarantee of safety, no where, ever. But that open door is the largest mistake in this scenario. Had it been closed, it would have bought a bit of time.

There are numerous other problems with that particular school in terms of safety.

Armchair quarterbacks can rant about how things went down all they wish, but busting in to a classroom with a man standing there firing 5.56 NATO rounds at the door while you're trying is suicide.

 

[curvilinear]

If not for that propped-open door, this almost certainly would have been a blink-and-miss-it news story about a high school dropout who took potshots at the outside of a school building before being killed by LE. Unless there was another propped open door or he climbed in through a window (success there would be...doubtful), he most likely would not have gained entry to the interior of the building. (It's normal and reasonable to be able to walk up to a school building; it's not normal to be able to walk up and find an open/unlocked door.)

Secondarily, LE and building administration are responsible for not putting the school into immediate lockdown. A man was opening fire across the street from the school and then in the school’s own parking lot for 12 minutes (per MSM that was linked here recently), but this school was inexplicably not in lockdown and classrooms were not locked (per MSM reports of Miah and another classroom teacher) until the shooter was inside the building. The door I can understand; this, I can’t.

I'm not even touching how LE handled the response. I'm a school person. But these kids and teachers deserved to go home.

MOO/JMO.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

He may have still gotten in. There is NO guarantee of safety, no where, ever. But that open door is the largest mistake in this scenario. Had it been closed, it would have bought a bit of time.

There are numerous other problems with that particular school in terms of safety.

Armchair quarterbacks can rant about how things went down all they wish, but busting in to a classroom with a man standing there firing 5.56 NATO rounds at the door while you're trying is suicide.

I totally agree! There is no guarantee.

Having a classroom for many many years and being responsible for 15-25 young lives, I have grappled with this. Every time I got a new classroom, I would take a break from the decorating to sit in my chair, at my desk and say to myself - "how am I going to get them out?"

Some rooms were better than others and I have had a few that would have been catastrophic. But I always "did my homework" and had a plan (or a couple of plans for different scenarios). But there were never meetings or group discussions as to how (as a group) we would handle this. Sure trainings on drills or emergency medical response but never about evacuation, evading, stopping, or even breaking windows to get them out were ever discussed. EVER. You were on your own. And that's what is missing in our schools.

 

[Elley Mae]

In reference to the local LE not allowing the tactical team (feds)to go in is odd to me, seems the (feds) would over rule the local LE.

Jmo

 

[sds71]

A week after his conversation with Salazar's son, Ramos would drive to the little boy's school armed with an AR-15 assault rifle and shoot up the building and kill 21 people.

The third grader was in class when Ramos began his killing spree, but was fortunately unscathed in the mass shooting.

Cousin of Salvador Ramos says he asked her son about his school

The cousin of Texas gunman Salvador Ramos has revealed the teenage killer had asked her young son for details about his elementary school, just a week before going on a murderous rampage.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Estrada’s grandson was not hurt and told his family he and his class were coming back from lunch when they heard several gunshots. Laura Bell Castanon lost her niece, Annabelle Rodriguez, during the shooting.

Border patrol agent drove 40 miles to respond to mass shooting at Uvalde elementary school, sources say

After giving conflicting information regarding the events surrounding the deadly Robb elementary school shooting, Texas Department of Public Safety officials provided a new timeline.

www.click2houston.com

 

[MimosaMornings]

Are teachers not allowed to have their cell phones inside the school?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Are teachers not allowed to have their cell phones inside the school?

Teachers are allowed their phones - most of them carry them with them all day.

You can't always get a signal but you are most definitely allowed to have them.

 

[formerlyme]

And he may have been taken down before he ever got into the school, imo.

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I don't think he should have gotten even close to that door. Schools here even got rid of windows. Some look prison like but we hope they are safe from intruders.

 

[Dotta]

"Chilling photos emerge"

Photos show cops rescuing Texas schoolchildren from windows in Uvalde

New photos have emerged depicting part of the law enforcement response to the school massacre in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday, as questions mount about why police didn't engage the shooter more quickly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kaley Smith]

"Chilling photos emerge"

Photos show cops rescuing Texas schoolchildren from windows in Uvalde

New photos have emerged depicting part of the law enforcement response to the school massacre in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday, as questions mount about why police didn't engage the shooter more quickly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The article says this, which I find hard to believe: Texas cops said last night that they didn't immediately rush in to find the shooter on Tuesday's attack after being shot at because they feared they might be killed, and even suggested that they deliberately locked the gunman in the classroom where he slaughtered 21 people in order to trap him.

 

[Fika]

I see a lot of discussion about doors open

With the information we have now it appears that several things contributed to the tragedy. Some of these things might have prevented it.

A door propped open, unlocked doors, a school resource officer not at his post. Just to name a few.

Hopefully the investigation will contribute information to help prevent school shooting tragedies in the future.

IMO school doors locked or not shouldn’t be responsible in any way to what happened. Here schools are opened and one can just walk in. School shouldn’t be alcatraz. Main contributing factor was giving an access to lethal weapon to obviously disturbed 18y old . Imo

 

[Dotta]

I see a lot of discussion about doors open

IMO school doors locked or not shouldn’t be responsible in any way to what happened. Here schools are opened and one can just walk in. School shouldn’t be alcatraz. Main contributing factor was giving an access to lethal weapon to obviously disturbed 18y old . Imo

True.

But...

Nevertheless, my school (Poland) has all doors locked during lessons, so nobody uninvited can "waltz in".
In summer, one door leading to the school yard is open only during breaks, but then it is immediately closed when pupils return to classrooms.

 

[formerlyme]

I was curious about the job description of a school RO officer, I know here they have an office and are mostly a presence, have heard heartwarming stories about them helping students etc.
I looked on google and The Role of a School Resource Officer | Swansea, IL - Official Website

 

[formerlyme]

"Chilling photos emerge"

Photos show cops rescuing Texas schoolchildren from windows in Uvalde

New photos have emerged depicting part of the law enforcement response to the school massacre in Uvalde, Texas on Tuesday, as questions mount about why police didn't engage the shooter more quickly.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Those poor terrified babies, how many children were rescued/removed? I think the school was 600 students total. So so sad, those poor babies.

 

[Fika]

True.

But...

Nevertheless, my school (Poland) has all doors locked during lessons, so nobody uninvited can "waltz in".
In summer, one door leading to the school yard is open only during breaks, but then it is immediately closed when pupils return to classrooms.

Here its a little different at least schools I had contact with. I just walked in.

 

[stattlich1]

A wide open door in a public school in the U.S. is a major mistake. Major.

Ultimately the killer is responsible.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The police said the door was barricaded… but it was the janitor’s *key* that opened the door. That seemed to be part of the delay.

I’m going back to my question about where the principal was. I only know from witnessing a Canadian school lockdown that the principal was there, vocal and leading. (Who knows more about the school than them?)

I’ve searched, but may have missed the principal’s statement or what they did. (I only found interviews from their former principal.)

ETA: I would think he or she would be there with keys and information for the police.

 

[osu]

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[bestill]

From this link: Photos show cops rescuing Texas schoolchildren from windows in Uvalde