TY says that Terri seemed "defensive."

[GrainneDhu]

I removed this post because on re-reading, it was totally ridiculous.

 

[Donjeta]

TY says this happened "within hours".
Could she already have been called out by the police about something that didn't make sense in her story?

 

[PortlandMama]

I also just want to point out that "persecuted" is Tony's language, not Terri's. We don't know whether she would have defined her feelings that way or not, based on his comments alone. :twocents:

 

[sarah7855]

I suppose she went on the defensive because she clearly did not want to disclose her whereabouts on the day he went missing.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.

Why lie?

This is a little O/T, but your post makes a good point that I wanted to add to. Indeed, why lie? We've heard that Terri is a CSI fan, so that would teach her, at the very least, the basics of criminal/homicide investigations. She holds a master's degree, so I think it's safe to say that she's at least somewhat smart. Those two pieces of info alone make it very hard to believe that she'd do something as dumb as lie to the cops about her whereabouts on June 4th when her bankcard records contradict what she's telling them!! I can see maybe not knowing about cell phone pings and how they have the ability to place a person at a particular place at a particular time, but bank card records? that's common sense.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Trouble is, even with that, I don't see how someone who has a significant parental role in raising a child would feel persecuted by the investigators in this situation.

From   http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/persecute
Persecute means:
1. to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp.because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.

2. to annoy or trouble persistently.

I would like to be troubled persistently if it would help find a missing child, unless I had something significant to hide. It doesn't mean I would enjoy relinquishing any secrets I had, but relinquish them I would because that would be far less important to me than finding the child.

Also, if I were innocent, I would proclaim that loudly and persistently to anyone who would listen.

SBM

Going on the assumption that TMH is factually innocent, I'd like to point out that TMH didn't say she felt persecuted. That was TY's interpretation of her reaction.

He may have been spot on, he may have been completely mistaken. I don't know.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

This is all MOO.......But I have wondered as things have developed throughout this case if TH could have been the reason that it took so long for the first family press conference. Remember back in the beginning when we were all asking WHY? has the family not made a public plea in the media for Kyron's safe return after he had been missing for a week? A thought ran through my mind, "Something's not right here, who/what is the holdup that this family isn't speaking?"

The fact that DY states she suspected TH from the beginning but TY had a delayed reaction regarding suspicions sounds about like the norm. A woman's intuition is immediate. Men don't always seem to pick up on the same subtle nuances right away like women do. (Not that they don't pick up on things but different things than a woman) Also, being a detective, TY may have just decided to quietly observe TH's defensive behavior for a few days before speaking out.

We must also remember, things must have been very hectic for Kyron's family and they(or most) were still in shock during those first days.

I'm just thinking and typing because I am one of those who has a delayed reaction to stressful situations. Things don't register for a few days, IYKWIM.

I just hope and pray for Kyron to be found and if TH is involved, I pray she will come to a reckoning with herself and end this whole mess. (one can hope)

All speculation and JMO.

wm

 

[carbuff]

Does anyone have a link that LE ever states that TH is not cooperating with the investigation. Or if LE ever said that she was lying ?
LE that is in the investigation, not LE outside of the investigation.
TIA

No. That information all comes from "sources."

 

[ami]

OK, for the sake of argument, let's say TH is innocent. And therefore suppose that TH was NOT defensive about Kyron's disappearance, but because of whatever it was she was doing that day that she didn't want to admit to her family and the police.

Now she realizes she's suspected of kidnap and perhaps murder, at least by her family, and her baby has been taken from her based upon this suspicion.

Why wouldn't she admit what she was really doing the day Kyron vanished? Could it be WORSE than kidnap and murder of your own stepchild? I don't think anything is worse than that. So if there WAS something she was doing that day other than abducting Kyron - something secret that she didn't want to share - why wouldn't she just confess whatever it was as it would at least clear her of suspicion of murder?

 

[carbuff]

OK, for the sake of argument, let's say TH is innocent. And therefore suppose that TH was NOT defensive about Kyron's disappearance, but because of whatever it was she was doing that day that she didn't want to admit to her family and the police.

Now she realizes she's suspected of kidnap and perhaps murder, at least by her family, and her baby has been taken from her based upon this suspicion.

Why wouldn't she admit what she was really doing the day Kyron vanished? Could it be WORSE than kidnap and murder of your own stepchild? I don't think anything is worse than that. So if there WAS something she was doing that day other than abducting Kyron - something secret that she didn't want to share - why wouldn't she just confess whatever it was as it would at least clear her of suspicion of murder?

We don't know that she didn't tell the police.

Frankly, I'm more suspicious of people going around trying to publicly blame other people than I am of the ones who are staying quiet...

 

[ami]

We don't know that she didn't tell the police.

I meant tell her family. Since they are the ones telling the public that they suspect her.

I mean no matter what it was - affair, cult, theft, drugs - if she was doing something other than what she initially told police that day, it wasn't as bad as what her husband suspects her of.

 

[gliving]

Something about the fishing pole story bugs me. I can't put my finger on it.

 

[SunsetHeel]

Persecuted is a TY word. TMH may feel that way and she certainly has actions that raise suspicion, but DY has stated that she suspected TMH from the first phone call. By the time they got to Portland and to the house DY could easily have communicated that suspicion to TY. Also remember DY filed a RO against KH years before because she suspected he was going to spirit the children away. TMH must know that. Did she think KH might have acted finally? There is a lot of baggage in that household.

By that time of day her older son had been dropped off at the house for a scheduled visit and she/they knew the story behind his not being in the home anymore. We don't, we shouldn't speculate, but it probably was stressful and she wasn't happy about that being made public, or having her teenage son in the middle of that storm while Kyron was being searched for. I would think the initial search of her property was considered by her to be ridiculous because if she is innocent (and we need to consider that is possible) the child is missing on School property not hers. She doesn't seem to be rational at times, and these were the worst of times.

What ever the story behind the MFH is she must have said enough for the gardener to think it was serious. At seven months in the past, with an infant, a second grader, a teenage son and household issues that we can't speculate about, (KH mentions depression) who knows what she said or planned, after that the son leaves the household, and things seem to settle down. Perhaps she was medicated and doesn't even consider that it was a serious conversation anymore, but it happened. No wonder she is failing LTT.

There is no love lost between TMH and DY; that is apparent from statements made by DY. Even if the KH and TY didn't involve themselves in the breach they must be aware, and stress frayed all the edges of this unraveling fabric. There was the initial internet suspicion of her that came from her face book postings, then came the discrepancies with her locations on the Friday Kyron is missing, MFH gardener shows up (she called that one in to law enforcement), divorce, restraining orders, her daughter is taken away, her husband petitions to have her removed from the house. KH, DY, and TY start talking about her lies, and their conviction that she is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and his previous unhappiness.

Who was the conduit of information between KH and DY concerning Kyron, it is possible that TMH started in that role years ago and has continued. She seems insecure to me, not conniving. Lies are often a convenient way to deflect anticipated anger in situations, and lies could have been of omission not commission, but DY is offended by them.

Kyron looks happy in the pictures, not mistreated. TMH is taking the pictures most of the time, especially the one where he is eating lunch, he is looking straight at her, smiling, happy, not fearful. I have served lunch to my children that didn't look that well organized or the table and kitchen that clean. I think we live in a clean house but I have warned my kids at times that the debris was bordering on a news crew showing up and declaring that "people in _________ live in filth and unsanitary conditions, film at eleven". Nothing about this case is clear and ordinary and I have to have faith that the sheriff and the FBI are making progress.

Persecuted is a word that comes from TY. Perhaps prosecuted will follow, but right now there is room to still sit on the fence and ponder.

 

[eyes4crime]

snip
She [Terri] instantly started to express some displeasure with that and not wanting...feeling like she was persecuted. And I thought that was an unusual reaction that early in that," he said. snip

The ......... means words were left out. Were words left out that would explain the persecuted feelings? Yikes, Why can't the media just report what Tony actually said? :banghead:

Of course Terri would feel defensive, she was with Kyron at the science fair and he disappeared under her watch. She was told by LE not to talk to the media, and she obeyed. She has been told by her attorney not to talk to anyone, and she is obeying. With Terri's 'instructed' silence, people can conveniently say whatever they want about her. moo

 

[carbuff]

I meant tell her family. Since they are the ones telling the public that they suspect her.

I mean no matter what it was - affair, cult, theft, drugs - if she was doing something other than what she initially told police that day, it wasn't as bad as what her husband suspects her of.

Clearly they think she's lying, but we don't have any evidence either way about whether she actually is lying. And if they're so convinced that she's untruthful, they quite likely wouldn't believe anything she said anyway.

 

[Donjeta]

So how does a person who is telling the truth get so many people convinced that she's lying? If the police were able to check her story and it all matched, would they let the family continue their allegations against an innocent person?

 

[nanny2five]

I feel like the Youngs have been very patient and given TH the benefit of the doubt until it was obvious that there was no doubt she had a hand in it.

IMOO of course....

and a little OT, but my son just said the sweetest thing...

"Do you think we could call that lady, (Terri) and maybe I could talk to her and ask her nicely to let Kyron come home? His mom is really sad and I think she needs him."

*heart breaking*

bbm : out of the mouths of babes. you have a very sweet sounding little boy, theissueathand. im sure that was a moment that will stay with you for a long time. thank you for sharing

 

[debs]

So how does a person who is telling the truth get so many people convinced that she's lying? If the police were able to check her story and it all matched, would they let the family continue their allegations against an innocent person?

She can be telling lies and still not be guilty of causing Kyron's disappearance. She could have begun processing just how well laid out (no bad pun intended) her trail of affairs would be, how they could see that maybe she was hooking up that afternoon and not doing what she said she was, and and and and.........and still not have caused Kyron's disappearance.

 

[Susan10]

looking at individual moments like this is tricky...b/c standing alone, maybe its no so surprising that she would initially balk at her life becoming an open book, especially if she had stuff going on that she wanted to hide. I would venture to guess that her marriage wasn't that great even at that point in time, so likely there was stuff she'd not want known. So a momentary expression of hesitancy would not be indicative of anything.
But put together with other moments, it starts to make a complete picture.

All I can say about that picture... is the parts we do know... (and I'm excluding the rumors and the bizzarro BFH plot) it doesn't seem to me to be in any way what I would think a picture of wrongly accused completely innocent woman would look like. I can understand wanting to obey your lawyer by being silent so as to not take on risk to yourself that could jeopardize your future, but I don't think that's exactly the choice she's been making. The choices she's been making paint the picture of a person with no impulse control,and no ability to empathize, even with people she "loves". THAT kind of person, IMO, would have responded to TY's warnings exactly the way she did... if she were trying to behave herself and not shock people by flat out refusing to participate.

Well said. Yes, she's actually trying to be on her best behavior! She didn't flat out say that she wouldn't participate, but that is what she is doing by all of her actions.

Unfortunately if she is guilty, this type of person will never admit to what she really did. There's nothing in it for her to do so. She will continue to lie as has been her MO according to people who know her the best. LE will have to piece together the facts as they become evident.

 

[ami]

Clearly they think she's lying, but we don't have any evidence either way about whether she actually is lying. And if they're so convinced that she's untruthful, they quite likely wouldn't believe anything she said anyway.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - if the rumors about her bank cards /cell pings are true, and she was not where she claimed to be, but it was for a reason other than abducting Kyron, then I'd be very surprised that she wasn't admitting to the lesser offense.

I don't feel like she's someone who would be stopped by the fear she'd be disbelieved.

Also, whatever she may have told the police, it wasn't enough to stop them from telling her husband that he would be wise to leave her and take the baby away.

 

[debs]

I guess what I'm trying to say is - if the rumors about her bank cards /cell pings are true, and she was not where she claimed to be, but it was for a reason other than abducting Kyron, then I'd be very surprised that she wasn't admitting to the lesser offense.

I don't feel like she's someone who would be stopped by the fear she'd be disbelieved.

Also, whatever she may have told the police, it wasn't enough to stop them from telling her husband that he would be wise to leave her and take the baby away.

Exactly. And holding out telling them about the affairs et al forced LE's hand to inform Kaine about Terri's affairs, which then led into a more substantial investigation into who those affairs were with, which led to the landscaper giving his story that Terri wanted to off Kaine, which led to the RO, and the now imminent eviction from the home. But none of that says Terri made Kyron disappear.

I still maintain that she perhaps has information regarding it, and why that would make her not say anything weighs heavily. I suggest that it is only because whoever truly harmed Kyron is someone Terri loves dearly and does not want to implicate. If LE finds out on their own, she'll deal with it, but she doesn't want to serve as the catalyst to bring this person down.

Or so I tell myself in the dark of the night.