UID Victim: The Asian Male, UP9355, John Doe #8, poss. died 1996-2001, found Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

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Tricia said:
Hey Everyone,

THANK YOU for all the hard work and dedication you put into finding the identity of the unidentified murder victims.

If we can identify Asian Male it would be a HUGE break in the case and it would show law enforcement just how good you all truly are at this kind of sleuthing.


My question to you is this; What do you need from me to help you identify Asian Male or any of the other victims.

Is there software Websleuths can purchase? Is there a pay website that would help.

I am in awe of what you do and how you sleuth and I hope I can add something to help you in this quest.

Please post here or email me at triciastruecrimeradio@gmail.com
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Could you see if there is a professor locally who is a teaches Forensic Anthropology and see what she or he says? We are basically working off of black and white artist renderings, with no dimensions included. I'd ask our local university department, but they're slammed making 3d computer models for 8 surrounding counties.
 
JamieSweetheartNC said:
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Status
First name
Middle name
Last name
Nickname/Alias
Date last seen
Date entered

[TD="class: view_field"]Missing[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Mustapha[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Ba[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Dao[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"][/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]July 12, 2000 18:00[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]05/19/2015[/TD]

Age last seen
Age now
Race
Ethnicity
Sex
Height (inches)
Weight (pounds)

[TD="class: view_field"]18 to 18 years old[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]34 years old[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Asian or Pacific Islander[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Other[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]Male[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]64.0 to 66.0[/TD]

[TD="class: view_field"]110.0 to 120.0[/TD]



Another possibility....
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Did you submit him?
 
I looked up demographics on Long Island and FWIW according to wikipedia Suffolk County was 3.6% Asian and Nassau County around 7%, so they are low on Asian people. My guess is New York City.
 
Emre E said:
I believe, the victim found on Long Island in 2011 and defined as Asian Male is Tirrel Santiago.

Here is a comparison of the two

ASIAN MALE is 66 inches
TIRREL SANTIAGO is 66 inches

ASIAN MALE is slim built
TIRREL SANTIAGO is 115 pounds

ASIAN MALE is dead in 2005
TIRREL SANTIAGO went missing in August 2005

ASIAN MALE is found in women's clothing
TIRREL SANTIAGO dresses as a woman

I believe Tirrel Santiago's skull was misattributed as Asian due to his mixed bloodline and that's it. A simple mistake prevents his identification.

Another of the bodies, also yet to be identified, is believed to be that of an Asian male, Spota said.
http://archive.longislandpress.com/2011/05/09/jessica-taylor-identified-as-skull-on-ocean-parkway/

The skeleton of an adult male, wearing women’s clothing and thought to be Asian in ethnicity,
http://pix11.com/2014/08/05/the-hunt-for-a-li-serial-killer-revisting-the-gilgo-beach-murders/

Tirrel Santiago
http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1180750c1.jpg

Asian Male
https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/17764

Namus, SCPD and NYPD have been made aware about the possibility for more than a year. A DNA sample for Tirrel Santiago hasn't been collected so far.

NAMUS records for the two
TIRREL SANTIAGO
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9508/53

ASIAN MALE
https://identifyus.org/cases/9355

http://madamestbeatrice.tumblr.com/post/75512841734/the-charley-project-tirrel-santiago
https://www.google.com.tr/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tirrel+santiago
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:yourock:
 
Tricia said:
If I knew where to find something like this I would buy it for everyone no problem.

Are there any other programs that are already out there that could help you?
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No, not that I'm aware of. But a big THANK YOU! :loveyou:
 
Tricia said:
If I knew where to find something like this I would buy it for everyone no problem.

Are there any other programs that are already out there that could help you?
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Tricia~~

Is there anyway we can find out if Suffolk County plans to do a sketch of Peaches (if that is possible at all under the circumstances she was found : (

Also, clothing the victims were found with would be helpful too. If there is anyway, that would be available.

TIA!!!
 
Emre E said:
I believe, the victim found on Long Island in 2011 and defined as Asian Male is Tirrel Santiago.

Here is a comparison of the two

ASIAN MALE is 66 inches
TIRREL SANTIAGO is 66 inches

ASIAN MALE is slim built
TIRREL SANTIAGO is 115 pounds

ASIAN MALE is dead in 2005
TIRREL SANTIAGO went missing in August 2005

ASIAN MALE is found in women's clothing
TIRREL SANTIAGO dresses as a woman

I believe Tirrel Santiago's skull was misattributed as Asian due to his mixed bloodline and that's it. A simple mistake prevents his identification.

Another of the bodies, also yet to be identified, is believed to be that of an Asian male, Spota said.
http://archive.longislandpress.com/2011/05/09/jessica-taylor-identified-as-skull-on-ocean-parkway/

The skeleton of an adult male, wearing women’s clothing and thought to be Asian in ethnicity,
http://pix11.com/2014/08/05/the-hunt-for-a-li-serial-killer-revisting-the-gilgo-beach-murders/

Tirrel Santiago
http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1180750c1.jpg

Asian Male
https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/17764

Namus, SCPD and NYPD have been made aware about the possibility for more than a year. A DNA sample for Tirrel Santiago hasn't been collected so far.

NAMUS records for the two
TIRREL SANTIAGO
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9508/53

ASIAN MALE
https://identifyus.org/cases/9355

http://madamestbeatrice.tumblr.com/post/75512841734/the-charley-project-tirrel-santiago
https://www.google.com.tr/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tirrel+santiago
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OMG! He is perfect!
IMO
 
Tricia said:
Hey Everyone,

THANK YOU for all the hard work and dedication you put into finding the identity of the unidentified murder victims.

If we can identify Asian Male it would be a HUGE break in the case and it would show law enforcement just how good you all truly are at this kind of sleuthing.


My question to you is this; What do you need from me to help you identify Asian Male or any of the other victims.

Is there software Websleuths can purchase? Is there a pay website that would help.

I am in awe of what you do and how you sleuth and I hope I can add something to help you in this quest.

Please post here or email me at triciastruecrimeradio@gmail.com
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The software would be :CRANIAL-FACIAL RECOGNITION - UNIDENTIFIED FOUND PERSONS AND MISSING PERSONS

Here are different soft wares listed:
https://facedetection.com/software/
 
I have a customizable database on my website that is absolutely great. Its a WordPress plugin that's free for the downloading on the Wordpress plugins site or the company's product's page.
Participant's Database: https://wordpress.org/plugins/participants-database/

It is one of the best databases I've found if you want to adapt it to anything requiring building an easy database.
"This plugin offers all the functionality needed to build and maintain a database of people or anything you want. The database is fully configurable, allowing you to define all the fields of information you want to store for each record. The records can be entered individually in the WordPress admin section, imported with a CSV file, or let the individuals themselves create their own record. Display lists of records can be sorted and filtered by any field, and the result exported as a CSV file."
Its free!
 
Microsoft Professional Office has Access to build data bases as well. I use it.
 
There is hardly any doubt that this is Tirrel Santiago and LE already knows that. Realizing this should mean dispelling the misconception that Asian Male was killed because his genitalia surprised the murderer and he was beaten out of anger. Look at the circumstances of Tirrel's disappearance. He was last seen getting into a cab with a man one block from Christopher Street. Not some "curb crawling" john in the dark streets of the ghetto picking up some street walker he can barely see for $20.
 
PictureSnatcher said:
There is hardly any doubt that this is Tirrel Santiago and LE already knows that. Realizing this should mean dispelling the misconception that Asian Male was killed because his genitalia surprised the murderer and he was beaten out of anger. Look at the circumstances of Tirrel's disappearance. He was last seen getting into a cab with a man one block from Christopher Street. Not some "curb crawling" john in the dark streets of the ghetto picking up some street walker he can barely see for $20.
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It doesn't mean the person in the cab killed him. The cabby would be able to identify the person. It just means he got in to a cab and it was the last time he was seen. Maybe bother men were Cross Dressers and were going to the other man's house to get dolled up and go out working.


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Since Asian male is said to have a musculoskeletal disorder, I thought I would post this for reference.

Common MSDs include:

  • Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
  • Tendonitis
  • Muscle / Tendon strain
  • Ligament Sprain
  • Tension Neck Syndrome
  • Thoracic Outlet Compression
  • Rotator Cuff Tendonitis
  • Epicondylitis
  • Radial Tunnel Syndrome
  • Digital Neuritis
  • Trigger Finger / Thumb
  • DeQuervain’s Syndrome
  • Mechanical Back Syndrome
  • Degenerative Disc Disease
  • Ruptured / Herniated Disc,
  • and many more.
We use the term “musculoskeletal disorder” because it accurately describes the problem.
Other common names for MSDs are “repetitive motion injury”, “repetitive stress injury”, “overuse injury” and many more. The problem with using that kind of terminology is that it implicates a singular cause for damage to the musculoskeletal system – repetition and stress. This is limiting because more and more research is pointing to multiple causative risk factors leading to MSDs.
http://ergo-plus.com/musculoskeletal-disorders-msd/
 
BigCityAccountant said:
Since Asian male is said to have a musculoskeletal disorder, I thought I would post this for reference.

Common MSDs include:

  • Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
  • Tendonitis
  • Muscle / Tendon strain
  • Ligament Sprain
  • Tension Neck Syndrome
  • Thoracic Outlet Compression
  • Rotator Cuff Tendonitis
  • Epicondylitis
  • Radial Tunnel Syndrome
  • Digital Neuritis
  • Trigger Finger / Thumb
  • DeQuervain’s Syndrome
  • Mechanical Back Syndrome
  • Degenerative Disc Disease
  • Ruptured / Herniated Disc,
  • and many more.
We use the term “musculoskeletal disorder” because it accurately describes the problem.
Other common names for MSDs are “repetitive motion injury”, “repetitive stress injury”, “overuse injury” and many more. The problem with using that kind of terminology is that it implicates a singular cause for damage to the musculoskeletal system – repetition and stress. This is limiting because more and more research is pointing to multiple causative risk factors leading to MSDs.
http://ergo-plus.com/musculoskeletal-disorders-msd/
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Degenerative disc disease I have. In fact it's what a lot of people have. The disc lies between the vertebrae. I also have some arthritis and curvature. Played sport all my life and thankfully no limp. I have a feeling this person may have come across normal unless they have a club foot or one leg shorter than the other. Disease may be a red herring.

Or a great clue. What about physios and hospitals might they have a copy of an MRI similar? Client similar? Pain is one thing you do get. Maybe Chemists in manhatten or Queens around where he was last seen getting in to a taxi?


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Sherlockknows said:
It doesn't mean the person in the cab killed him. The cabby would be able to identify the person. It just means he got in to a cab and it was the last time he was seen. Maybe bother men were Cross Dressers and were going to the other man's house to get dolled up and go out working.

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If they ever found the cabbie he might be able to describe the man, but they'd have to find both the man and the cabbie for him to be identified. Tirrel was a 16 year old high school kid, if the man in the cab was one of his friends they probably would have more info and getting into the cab on 10th & Hudson wouldn't be considered the last time he was seen.

Tirrel went by Mia and dressed as a female. Just because he was a 16 year old who wore female clothes doesn't mean he was a sex worker. I's possible, but the kid went to a special theater school on 43rd
 
Tirrel Santiago was last seen on the 300 block of Rodney st. Bklyn NY.
 
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