UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004

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of course we can't assume that the men on the beach were connected to the murder, but if we do, it still doesn't mean that, just because the younger man was firing into the sea he was the murderer...it still might have been the older man as described by. vw....but the police do or did. seem to have. someone specific in mind. when they went to Canada and this may have been the younger man who they hoped could lead them to the older one...does that make sense
 
Markybug said:
Name on the back of a envelope could be who to return to? Usually with a address tho.
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That was my initial thought as well. Name and address written on the back in case a letter cannot fe delivered. That of course opens up two more questions. Was there an address on the back? And what was written on the front? Is this something the police know and are keeping back or is PAUL all they have I wonder.
 
I can’t remember ever writing a name and address on the back of an envelope. I sometimes put a return address on a parcel if I remember but never on a letter; it just doesn’t strike me as a very UK thing to do. I’m prepared to be wrong though.
 
Kitkat28 said:
I can’t remember ever writing a name and address on the back of an envelope. I sometimes put a return address on a parcel if I remember but never on a letter; it just doesn’t strike me as a very UK thing to do. I’m prepared to be wrong though.
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I don't think it's massively common but I certainly know people personally who do this as a matter of course on virtually everything they send. Used to see it a lot more even I was younger though. My partners mother has those little name and address stickers she puts on the back of everything.
 
its done more commonly in, say, Germany than in Britain these days, but I still see it occasionally....if...I know a big if...the envelope originally contained a letter from abroad, it could well have had an address....I wonder if the police think the gunman did take the envelope from somewhere and are hoping the original owners come forward, so they can trace where he'd have been likely to. have got it.

I thought the. police had already said there was more written on the envelope....have. I got this wrong
 
Hello, what a case this one is! I have ordered the 'To Catch a Killer' book after hearing of the recent police activity in Nova Scotia etc. Which sort of bought my attention back to the case. I've been to Nairn once, what a beautiful place! Regarding the weapon, which I assume Veronica didn't see? Was it identified by bullets/cases etc? I mean, in addition to it being found in the drain!!
 
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cortina said:
its done more commonly in, say, Germany than in Britain these days, but I still see it occasionally....if...I know a big if...the envelope originally contained a letter from abroad, it could well have had an address....I wonder if the police think the gunman did take the envelope from somewhere and are hoping the original owners come forward, so they can trace where he'd have been likely to. have got it.

I thought the. police had already said there was more written on the envelope....have. I got this wrong
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sometimes I wish id engage my brain before posting...if the gunman or someone connected with him, didn't write anything on the envelope then were left with a sealed envelope with. nothing in it and. nothing of significance written on it
 
The latest on the case from Scotland.
Finances could be the key to solving mystery of murdered banker Alistair Wilson
The house AW lived in looks gorgeous, but if the person in the article is correct, then the buying of this house, and in particular the financing of it, could have started a chain of events that ended with his death.

I did not see this video referenced in the thread, but it might be of interest.
 
Markybug said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Pub talk could be key to Nairn banker's doorstep murder

Police seek information on what was said about a planning row Alistair Wilson was involved in.
www.bbc.co.uk

Police really focusing on the pub decking angle
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I honestly think this is the most likely explanation for this horrific event.

Actually I don't think this was an arranged professional hit at all, the murderer did not behave remotely like a professional hitman. Occam's razor suggests he was not. His weird behaviour including the bizarre envelope story suggest that this is a nutter who carried a gun for some reason known to himself, got pissed off with AW because AW was embroiled in a rather passive aggressive row with the hotel over the drinking area--which was an issue discussed by people drinking there. AW was trying to stop their fun, or whatever else was going on there (maybe low level drug dealing, who knows really), this nutcase decided to go and confront him but was so left field about it that AW didn't get what was going on.

I believe VW that she didn't know what was happening and neither did AW because the baseball cap chap was just weird. He probably didn't intend on killing him when he went there with his wacky envelope business but, well, he was a nutter.

Yes, he got away with it but that doesn't mean he's a master criminal, it's possible things got covered up because, well, AW Is dead, why stir the pot.

The envelope shenanigans and the fact that the gunman let AW back into the house and then AW got shot when he went back to see what was going on all point not to a master criminal who was "in control" but a psychiatrically disturbed person, who saw AW as a threat because AW wanted to shut down the drinking area in the pub he went to. Or stayed at. Or dealt at. Trying to make sense of that level of mental disturbance isn't possible which is why no one has been able to without weaving very complex theories involving AW having a secret life with the IRA or dodgy football clubs or...
 
Konstantin said:
I honestly think this is the most likely explanation for this horrific event.

Actually I don't think this was an arranged professional hit at all, the murderer did not behave remotely like a professional hitman. Occam's razor suggests he was not. His weird behaviour including the bizarre envelope story suggest that this is a nutter who carried a gun for some reason known to himself, got pissed off with AW because AW was embroiled in a rather passive aggressive row with the hotel over the drinking area--which was an issue discussed by people drinking there. AW was trying to stop their fun, or whatever else was going on there (maybe low level drug dealing, who knows really), this nutcase decided to go and confront him but was so left field about it that AW didn't get what was going on.

I believe VW that she didn't know what was happening and neither did AW because the baseball cap chap was just weird. He probably didn't intend on killing him when he went there with his wacky envelope business but, well, he was a nutter.

Yes, he got away with it but that doesn't mean he's a master criminal, it's possible things got covered up because, well, AW Is dead, why stir the pot.

The envelope shenanigans and the fact that the gunman let AW back into the house and then AW got shot when he went back to see what was going on all point not to a master criminal who was "in control" but a psychiatrically disturbed person, who saw AW as a threat because AW wanted to shut down the drinking area in the pub he went to. Or stayed at. Or dealt at. Trying to make sense of that level of mental disturbance isn't possible which is why no one has been able to without weaving very complex theories involving AW having a secret life with the IRA or dodgy football clubs or...
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I just can't phathom why AW wouldn't have been able to have grasped onto what the visit was over if it was something as simple as his objection to the decking area. AW was highly intelligent and would have surely been able to have made head's or tails over the gunmans visit, even if he was being weird.

If we go along with this theory that he was killed over a decking dispute, and one individual was so angered and upset and felt betrayed by AW that they felt the need to confront him face to face and decided on a cold winters night to go out of his way to confront the person at there front door, then I certainly don't think he would have been left a field and froze on the spot when that person came to the door, even more so if the gunman was a nutjob and felt hard done by and held the person accountable for it.

If we take those hypothetical scenarios into play, then the gunmans visit would have been something along the lines of "your objection has cost me bigtime, we know about your objection ahd it's going to cost us alot of money, why did you go behind our backs"?

I can't see any other scenario playing out where the gunman freeze's on the spot and hands over an envelope and starts to stutter and stammer over his visit, it's clear cut, its not a complex matter, an objection over planning permission isn't going to cause confusion even if the gunman didn't put it across the right way, it still wouldn't have been enough for AW not to grasp onto what was going on.

I also don't buy into "he didn't intend to kill AW" ofcourse he did, he armed himself with an illegal fire arm and took it with him so he clearly had intentions to kill AW. You don't go out of your way to source a weapon and ammunition, load your gun hide your facial recognition by pulling the baseball cap down and decide on a Sunday night in November time to just randomly visit the man's door with all this prepared if he didn't have intentions to kill.
 
I'm not convinced he always intended to kill AW. Or if he did I don't think it was a professional hitman. We don't know if he specifically sourced a gun or whether he had it for some considerable time before tne shooting or even if he might routinely have carried a gun. The gun itself looks like something that might have been a war trophy kept in a family for many years. Thinking about it a bit more what if this person was drunk or drugged up? Might explain why everything was so random and why he hung around.

It is very intriguing why the police are focusing so much on the decking. Comes across as if they think someone 8n the pub might have carried this out after hearing talk in the pub.
 
davidt said:
I'm not convinced he always intended to kill AW. Or if he did I don't think it was a professional hitman. We don't know if he specifically sourced a gun or whether he had it for some considerable time before tne shooting or even if he might routinely have carried a gun. The gun itself looks like something that might have been a war trophy kept in a family for many years. Thinking about it a bit more what if this person was drunk or drugged up? Might explain why everything was so random and why he hung around.

It is very intriguing why the police are focusing so much on the decking. Comes across as if they think someone 8n the pub might have carried this out after hearing talk in the pub.
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Yes completely agree. The alternative scenarios involve too much elaborate reaching, when we have an actual conflict right on AW's doorstep, literally. A conflict that must have gone on for some time and was clearly emotional. It makes sense that the individual who murdered AW can't have been a professional, because what professional allows his target to go back into his house, from where he may not return, carrying an item that could identify you? The murderer had zero idea that AW would come out again. He was hanging around opposite a pub where people were drinking, he could have been spotted, and crucially, VW had already seen him. He let her see him, then let her go inside. None of these actions are actions of a professional or even of a rational person who intends to kill based on a cold blooded arrangement.

The simplest reason this makes no sense as a professional hit is that it wasn't one. Something got out of hand. The perpetrator behaved in a bizarre, irrational way.
 
Konstantin said:
Yes completely agree. The alternative scenarios involve too much elaborate reaching, when we have an actual conflict right on AW's doorstep, literally. A conflict that must have gone on for some time and was clearly emotional. It makes sense that the individual who murdered AW can't have been a professional, because what professional allows his target to go back into his house, from where he may not return, carrying an item that could identify you? The murderer had zero idea that AW would come out again. He was hanging around opposite a pub where people were drinking, he could have been spotted, and crucially, VW had already seen him. He let her see him, then let her go inside. None of these actions are actions of a professional or even of a rational person who intends to kill based on a cold blooded arrangement.

The simplest reason this makes no sense as a professional hit is that it wasn't one. Something got out of hand. The perpetrator behaved in a bizarre, irrational way.
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Your saying the murderer had zero idea that AW would return to the door? We don't know that for a fact, the truth is only AW and the gunman know those specific details. Yes he might have given off the impression to his wife that he had finished speaking to the man, but for all we know he could have been calling his wife's bluff if he was involved in illegal activity.
 
Alistair wasn’t local to Nairn either was he ? You know what small towns can be like with “incomers”
 
Just finished the Blekesley book, ... so they may or may not have found all/any/some shells!!! (at the time/scene) .. or according to Burnett the ex landlord of Havelock, (just recently questioned about someone he used to know/being a potential witness etc.)..."[the police] missed one shell under a leaf and didn't find it immediately!". Possibly just underprepared policing/compromised scene. I'm not suggesting Burnett involved..just answering my own previous question about balistic ID etc! Blekesley was very annoyed not to be given info. from police, bank, family etc. I guess we have to assume there are reasons for no new info. (Excluding recent tack regarding the planning dispute - something not new, but newly released). The lack of an E.fit does seem odd, as does Veronica staying in house after the fact, I'm sure I read somewhere (not in the book), that it was possibly financial reasons that led to the family staying in the house. Perhaps they couldn't afford to sell up? Possibly due to depreciation due to the incident?..although it would now be vastly higher in value I would have thought! Anyhow, high profile cases are often accused of not providing public updates, in an age of instant info. It is frustrating and only makes the cases more compelling (to be solved) by the public! I do hope there are valid reasons for the lack of updates over the years. I wouldn't want to live in a town with an unsolved assassination very literally right on its door step. I assume Michael Ross was ruled out! Just Kirkwall not that far! He wasn't in prison then. I heard people recreate the scene on the steps after one too many in the pubs. That is utterly disgusting. I hope his boys get the answers they need.
 
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