UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004

[Mickymack10]

Interesting, that MS and AB fell out after that night... Chef sacked after closing hotel on night of Nairn banker's murder ?!? Other eye witnesses discuss the initial scene on the STV downloadable clips. AB was later to scene than SW and the girls in pub. So he wasn't an immediate witness.

I have always found this di

Yeah and I take that and understand it-but it could also relate to the possibility that they weren’t in a vehicle?

Nine times out of 10 in a gangland assassination, you would expect to see either a burnt out vehicle or an abandoned vehicle close by

As I stated previously it's not unheard of, but not every hit/murder results in the assassin leaving a burnt out car close by or an abandoned one so close to the scene. Every murder is different. I'm of the opinion the assassin left Nairn that night in a car, based on the fact where the gun was disposed off. He definitely had local intel of the area whoever it was who carried out the hit. Previously I couldn't agree on this being someone local, but now I have had a change of thought, and I'm willing to accept that the killer was someone who lived close by.

 

[Mickymack10]

It was commented in Bleksley about it odd that AB went for drink in the Shambles when he could have drank in his own pub, he was with family/friends that eve. Wasn't he? Taking them out for dinner? perhaps distancing himself from the scene?!? Or maybe just wanted a change of scene!! (No pun intended!). This case is baffling!!!!

I do find AB behaviour questionable.It seems like he had a severe lack of empathy towards AW and the tragedy that unfolded in the immediate aftermath . To sack the chef for closing the hotel down for the night due to the unforeseen circumstances, seems very heartless indeed. The Chef was clearly in shock over what he had encountered, and should have been given full support by AB. It really could be the perfect murder if indeed AB was the one responsible for the slaying.

 

[Magnified]

It was commented in Bleksley about it odd that AB went for drink in the Shambles when he could have drank in his own pub, he was with family/friends that eve. Wasn't he? Taking them out for dinner? perhaps distancing himself from the scene?!? Or maybe just wanted a change of scene!! (No pun intended!). This case is baffling!!!!

It wasn’t odd imo. He drank there every Sunday and was meeting his friends for a meal. What’s odd is that this happens while he had a cast iron alibi.

 

[cortina]

while I agree. that the sacking was very harsh, if ab was involved, id. have thought. he'd have done everything not. to draw attention to himself

 

[Magnified]

I have always found this di

I personally wouldn’t take anything from transport from the location of the gun because anybody walking that way could’ve done the same. Or it could’ve been put there at a later time in an attempt to make people think that’s the way they went. If it so well worked out that wouldn’t be unusual.

What stands out to me is that that was the only drain in Nan that was the source of recent local complaints due to it flooding. Leading me to believe this person had more than local knowledge.

What do you make of the witness who say they saw two men fighting at the drain 15 mins after the murder? The exact time it would take to reach that location from crescent rd, walking?

 

[Mickymack10]

I personally wouldn’t take anything from transport from the location of the gun because anybody walking that way could’ve done the same. Or it could’ve been put there at a later time in an attempt to make people think that’s the way they went. If it so well worked out that wouldn’t be unusual.

What stands out to me is that that was the only drain in Nan that was the source of recent local complaints due to it flooding. Leading me to believe this person had more than local knowledge.

What do you make of the witness who say they saw two men fighting at the drain 15 mins after the murder? The exact time it would take to reach that location from crescent rd, walking?

Yes I do think that the person had local intel of the area, or was staying locally at the time. I did find the dumping of the gun, down that drain specifically, almost to coincidental. But on the other hand it would be the last drain the gunman would have come to before exiting onto the busier road (A96) it was also just before the junction so it does make sense choosing that drain as his preferred destination. I can see the argument from both sides of the coin to be honest.

 

[cortina]

I think its clear that local knowledge was used...either the gunman had. it himself or someone told him.
if. the fight at the. drain was connected, it could be that. someone didn't want his gun thrown away...maybe the owner wasn't local and thought he could get it out of the area.
if it was connected, it would make me think that the plan hadn't necessarily been to shoot aw...or id have thought they'd have decided what to do. with the gun beforehand.
it could be useful to match any description of these men against those seen on the beach
might. be totally irrelevant of course

 

[Magnified]

Yes I do think that the person had local intel of the area, or was staying locally at the time. I did find the dumping of the gun, down that drain specifically, almost to coincidental. But on the other hand it would be the last drain the gunman would have come to before exiting onto the busier road (A96) it was also just before the junction so it does make sense choosing that drain as his preferred destination. I can see the argument from both sides of the coin to be honest.

Yes it would be the last drain of opportunity but I would not like to be sure that was because they were in a vehicle. Especially as there were two men seen fighting at that location 15 mins after the shooting. They have never been illuminated or located as far as I am aware, and it does take about that time to walk there.

The police really did miss a lot early on in this inquiry so it’s difficult to know what they did & didn’t do. It’s meant Police Scotland were left swimming up stream when they decided to reinvestigate it a decade later.

There was also a fire started at the other side of Nairn on purpose that night. Could that again point to local lads trying to draw the emergency services away from the murder scene?

 

[Mickymack10]

Yes it would be the last drain of opportunity but I would not like to be sure that was because they were in a vehicle. Especially as there were two men seen fighting at that location 15 mins after the shooting. They have never been illuminated or located as far as I am aware, and it does take about that time to walk there.

The police really did miss a lot early on in this inquiry so it’s difficult to know what they did & didn’t do. It’s meant Police Scotland were left swimming up stream when they decided to reinvestigate it a decade later.

There was also a fire started at the other side of Nairn on purpose that night. Could that again point to local lads trying to draw the emergency services away from the murder scene?

I wouldn't look to much into

Yes it would be the last drain of opportunity but I would not like to be sure that was because they were in a vehicle. Especially as there were two men seen fighting at that location 15 mins after the shooting. They have never been illuminated or located as far as I am aware, and it does take about that time to walk there.

The police really did miss a lot early on in this inquiry so it’s difficult to know what they did & didn’t do. It’s meant Police Scotland were left swimming up stream when they decided to reinvestigate it a decade later.

There was also a fire started at the other side of Nairn on purpose that night. Could that again point to local lads trying to draw the emergency services away from t

It could be mere coincidence or standard small town rumours with regards to the two men seen shortly after the murder took place. To my way of thinking had I just carried out a murder I'd want to get away from the area ASAP, I don't think I'd risk walking to seabank road armed with a gun and most likely splattered with blood and risk being pulled over by the Police or seen by witnesses.

I think it would be amateur hour to then get into an altercation with my accomplice so near the drain where the gun was disposed off.

I honestly don't think the fire incident was a way to distract the emergency services, it was a fire incident which would require a fire engine. The murder of AW required the service's of the Police and Ambulance.

 

[cortina]

I wouldn't look to much into

It could be mere coincidence or standard small town rumours with regards to the two men seen shortly after the murder took place. To my way of thinking had I just carried out a murder I'd want to get away from the area ASAP, I don't think I'd risk walking to seabank road armed with a gun and most likely splattered with blood and risk being pulled over by the Police or seen by witnesses.

I think it would be amateur hour to then get into an altercation with my accomplice so near the drain where the gun was disposed off.

I honestly don't think the fire incident was a way to distract the emergency services, it was a fire incident which would require a fire engine. The murder of AW required the service's of the Police and Ambulance.

I agree ...I wouldn't want to hang around, especially where the gun might be going to be disposed of
having said that, some things do. seem a bit amateurish about the case...but that might. just be the account of events has been doctored

 

[cortina]

the only reason I can think of for the doctoring of events is to give the police something only people involved would know about.....but thats supposed. to be the function of the writing on the envelope....any ideas, anyone.
I think vw. honestly doesn't know why he was killed, but. I have my. doubts about aw coming back in, the gunman going back and. forth....but I couldn't tell you why

 

[Magnified]

I have found information that may be of interest! It needs a better sluth than me to dig deeper, if possible..

Alistair worked for the bank of Scotland in Edinburgh before he moved to Nairn.

He was murdered 8 days After Michael Karus ( dodgy Lawyer) was sactioned and his buisness Arrowbay ltd collapssed!

Edinburgh property tycoon banned from acting as company director

Karus had gone bust with debts of up to 20million.

Between March and May 2003 and in January 2004 ( 8 months before Alistair’s death, he had embezzled the sum of £413,052.81 while acting as the executor of a deceased client deceased. Due a later prison sentence he lost his law licence.

Karus banked with the bank of Scotland in Edinburgh and it was they who came across the Embezzlement. The deceased client Edith Hampson, he stole from, also banked with them.

Karus also had hidden accounts in Panama


Dominic Cummings from the law society was viciously attacked by a hitman called Robert Graham in 2006. His real name, born in Ireland, was Paul! Francis.

Kiwi hitman's life on the run - World News - NZ Herald

This book links the two Murders!

 

[Scottishem1]

I personally wouldn’t take anything from transport from the location of the gun because anybody walking that way could’ve done the same. Or it could’ve been put there at a later time in an attempt to make people think that’s the way they went. If it so well worked out that wouldn’t be unusual.

What stands out to me is that that was the only drain in Nan that was the source of recent local complaints due to it flooding. Leading me to believe this person had more than local knowledge.

What do you make of the witness who say they saw two men fighting at the drain 15 mins after the murder? The exact time it would take to reach that location from crescent rd, walking?

Yes it would be the last drain of opportunity but I would not like to be sure that was because they were in a vehicle. Especially as there were two men seen fighting at that location 15 mins after the shooting. They have never been illuminated or located as far as I am aware, and it does take about that time to walk there.

The police really did miss a lot early on in this inquiry so it’s difficult to know what they did & didn’t do. It’s meant Police Scotland were left swimming up stream when they decided to reinvestigate it a decade later.

There was also a fire started at the other side of Nairn on purpose that night. Could that again point to local lads trying to draw the emergency services away from the murder scene?

I've always thought it showed lack of local knowledge as that drain being blocked is the only reason the gun was found . Where us the source for the 2 men arguing as I've never came across this ? But it's nice to learn something

 

[Scottishem1]

Yes it would be the last drain of opportunity but I would not like to be sure that was because they were in a vehicle. Especially as there were two men seen fighting at that location 15 mins after the shooting. They have never been illuminated or located as far as I am aware, and it does take about that time to walk there.

The police really did miss a lot early on in this inquiry so it’s difficult to know what they did & didn’t do. It’s meant Police Scotland were left swimming up stream when they decided to reinvestigate it a decade later.

There was also a fire started at the other side of Nairn on purpose that night. Could that again point to local lads trying to draw the emergency services away from the murder scene?

Also where does it state the fire was started on purpose ? I've seen in PB book that there was a fire but don't remember it saying it was started on purpose

 

[Magnified]

Also where does it state the fire was started on purpose ? I've seen in PB book that there was a fire but don't remember it saying it was started on purpose

Listen to Fiona Walkers Podcast. It’s on there. I can’t remember what episode.

 

[Magnified]

the only reason I can think of for the doctoring of events is to give the police something only people involved would know about.....but thats supposed. to be the function of the writing on the envelope....any ideas, anyone.
I think vw. honestly doesn't know why he was killed, but. I have my. doubts about aw coming back in, the gunman going back and. forth....but I couldn't tell you why

I’d agree in part re keeping info to themselves. The other reason would be to keep Veronica safe. If she’s seen to know nothing she remains safe. If she knows everything and it’s revealed, she may need to fear for her safety.

 

[Magnified]

I've always thought it showed lack of local knowledge as that drain being blocked is the only reason the gun was found . Where us the source for the 2 men arguing as I've never came across this ? But it's nice to learn something

Again it’s on a Fiona walkers podcast.

 

[Magnified]

I've always thought it showed lack of local knowledge as that drain being blocked is the only reason the gun was found . Where us the source for the 2 men arguing as I've never came across this ? But it's nice to learn something

Maybe they wanted the gun finding? Especially if it was planted later to give the impression that’s they way they went.

 

[Magnified]

I agree ...I wouldn't want to hang around, especially where the gun might be going to be disposed of
having said that, some things do. seem a bit amateurish about the case...but that might. just be the account of events has been doctored

I’m not convinced accounts have been doctored. I just think there is a chunk of information missing re what was said when he went back inside.

One of the reasons I think it’s more local, is because the decision to kill him appears to of been made when he returned to the door imo. If it hadn’t, he’d of been shot first time round. if it was a hit, then he’d of been shot as soon as the killer confirmed his identity no? And I understand people who say well, perhaps he was meant to put something in the envelope, and that’s why the killer was waiting. I’ve said it myself in my theory, but apart from something like what I’ve said in my theory. What on earth can be so important that the person who kills Alistair needs it, before doing so. He’s dead! He can’t divulge anything! ( evidence) and if they needed anything from him that desperately, then killing him put and end to their whole reason for being there.

Is it possible it was someone who decided to hide the real reason for the visit used the envelope to confuse the inquiry, yes. But they really don’t need to hide it do they because 18 years on they have not been caught, and theories still fly round within police Scotland who still don’t know the motive, despite the recent news headlines, as they themselves have said. ( we still aren’t ruling out anything) Besides having a theory is all well and good, but being able to prove it is another. The killer certainly seems to have covered their tracks without the need for the envelope confusion.

I don’t think he was asked to do anything for the person who killed him either, ( negotiate) as if he was he never would of returNed to the door.He also would of made that decision during the conversation he had with him, unless of course the decision needed Veronica. ( unlikely) He returned based on what the killer had said to him.( Presumably what he had told him was in the envelope) ?

Could this tell us Alistair either did or didn’t comply With the reason for the visit?

Somethings scream professional, others really do not. But if we look at the other murders where the is a mixed profile it can indicate more than one offender.

The murder of the off duty police officer happens in a very similar way to this crime, re the weapon placement. This usually tells us that the person has some forensic awareness, & knows the weapon can not be traced back to them, ( possibly provided to the killer)

It is when I look at all this separately it confuses me. When I put it all together it tells more of a story. A story of a man who turns up at his house on a Sunday evening, has a chat with him and waits for him to return. ( very personal) A story that Alistair knew what the conversation was about or he never would of taken the envelope. A story he did not tell his wife about the reason, and in failing to comply, or complying with what the man had said to him, it led to his death. (It’s more like a process). That’s why my theory was the only thing I could really come up with about why he went back inside. He believed there was something inside that envelope,( based on what the killer had said) but they also needed something from him. (2 fold)

The one thing I do find odd though,is that Veronica calls this man a gentleman, in the interview she does on Fiona Walkers Podcast. Bizarre!

 

[dotr]

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