At the moment no one (publicly at least) knows whether the man on the doorstep was the only person involved and was there on his own account or if he was there on behalf of one or more others. So it's possible the police may be looking for just one person or several. As you say this particular individual may have been of wider interest to the police than just this incident. There may have been people still local to the area involved but the gunman himself may have been from somewhere else. I know the police did a lot of local dna testing but didn't lead to anything as far as I know.
UK UK - Alistair Wilson, 30, murdered at home, Nairn, Scotland, 28 Nov 2004
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The part I also find strange is , are we to believe a killer who was savy enough to retrieve the enevelope for DNA would leave a cigarette but, surley that could have been a stray from someone walking past
is it me, or do other people get a sense of confusion again.
we were told that the police were confident the crime was connected to the decking, but the latest article seems to relate. to. something more complicated...maybe its. just the. way its expressed...
sorry. to put the letters of d n. a. so far apart but my computer keeps changing them to dan.
we were told that the police were confident the crime was connected to the decking, but the latest article seems to relate. to. something more complicated...maybe its. just the. way its expressed...
sorry. to put the letters of d n. a. so far apart but my computer keeps changing them to dan.
I think the police said they believe the shooting was related to AWs private life and not his professional life (no idea how they came to that conclusion). They have made appeals about the decking but I'm not sure they have said they are confident this was the cause of the crime but rather an avenue they are investigating.
It does make it all the odder the latest article was pulled in light of the public appeals the police themselves have been making. But yes, it really is confusing!
oh...private life...does that mean private financial or private private...
I know this is probably stating the obvious again, but, unless it was a. random attack by a disturbed individual, whoever was behind it must have been sure aw. wouldn't phone the police...the. most obvious reason for which would be. that. aw wouldn't have wanted the police looking into it.
doubt it was just the decking...the amount involved is relatively small and if somebody tried. to pressurise him for the money, he could have called the police...havent the police looked into how he financed his property purchase
I know this is probably stating the obvious again, but, unless it was a. random attack by a disturbed individual, whoever was behind it must have been sure aw. wouldn't phone the police...the. most obvious reason for which would be. that. aw wouldn't have wanted the police looking into it.
doubt it was just the decking...the amount involved is relatively small and if somebody tried. to pressurise him for the money, he could have called the police...havent the police looked into how he financed his property purchase
Well firstly I don't think police Scotland have said why they have ruled out AWs business life. As for private life it really could mean anything I guess. I do wonder why they have made so much fuss about the decking dispute recently. Sometimes I think they have tons of information and pretty much know what happened and other times I think they don't have a clue.
Wanted to ask a question about the Havelock. What sort of pub was it? Curious to know what sort of regular clientele it had. Was it a family pub, upmarket or something used by less desirables?
even if the police. haven't checked the financing of was property yet....and I would. have thought they would have...they could still do it now.
I think the only reason they've ruled out. anything to do with his. job is that they haven't found any irregularities..but you get the. impression its not been done by an expert...and, as I said earlier, private and banking could still overlap if something was said or. done off the record.
aw seems to. have been a bit naive. about the demands. of running a hotel or restaurant, so. maybe he was naive about people he was dealing with.
there can be odd arrangements going on in communities...I once lived in a city with a large Italian population and it. was customary for people to buy houses for children when they were young....all the dealings. would be done in cash..lira because before the euro...and they'd order. this from the travel counter of. local banks and walk. through the city centre with plastic bags full of lira....I assume it was borrowed from wealthy Italians but it must. have. led to. some funny stuff
it still must. be significant that no one expected aw. to alert the police or neighbours
I think the only reason they've ruled out. anything to do with his. job is that they haven't found any irregularities..but you get the. impression its not been done by an expert...and, as I said earlier, private and banking could still overlap if something was said or. done off the record.
aw seems to. have been a bit naive. about the demands. of running a hotel or restaurant, so. maybe he was naive about people he was dealing with.
there can be odd arrangements going on in communities...I once lived in a city with a large Italian population and it. was customary for people to buy houses for children when they were young....all the dealings. would be done in cash..lira because before the euro...and they'd order. this from the travel counter of. local banks and walk. through the city centre with plastic bags full of lira....I assume it was borrowed from wealthy Italians but it must. have. led to. some funny stuff
it still must. be significant that no one expected aw. to alert the police or neighbours
sorry...I forgot the police. haven't specifically ruled out non personal reasons
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Posted in error, sorry! Bleksely sharing James Shaw podcast on his fb page.
If I remember correctly, it is nicer now, than it was then! it is discussed in Blekesley's book. Where (amongst other possible theories), a possible theory was that of POTENTIAL drugs motive. I'm being careful what I say here - but it was discussed in book. No drugs offences occured in the pub, but drug running/county lines etc i.e out of Inverness etc do happen and can affect rural/tourist areas. I don't think anything ever came of that potential theory, I.e by that, I mean specifically - having or not having thriving nightlife and how that could affect certain people/groups of people negatively! (not AW). Anyhow, Blekesly really thinks police have a person of interest, we shall see!
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Sorry guys for not posting over the past few weeks, was somehow banned on here for 2 weeks (unfairly in my opinion). Anyways moving on from that small matter, it's really intriguing to see how much this case has grown over the past few weeks. It seems like the Police have decided to put all there eggs in one basket with regards to the decking dispute.
I wonder why they have decided to reach this conclusion? My gut feeling is they believe AB was responsible for AW murder. He was the only person who stood at a loss or grievance with the appeal AW had made, and it most likely angered him and caused a great deal of stress, especially if this was an ongoing dispute. I think it's a classic tale of the Police keeping there suspect close, let them believe they're not a suspect and hope that they slip up.
I wonder why they have decided to reach this conclusion? My gut feeling is they believe AB was responsible for AW murder. He was the only person who stood at a loss or grievance with the appeal AW had made, and it most likely angered him and caused a great deal of stress, especially if this was an ongoing dispute. I think it's a classic tale of the Police keeping there suspect close, let them believe they're not a suspect and hope that they slip up.
Welcome back. Or, he is just still simply a POSSIBLE witness? (That's what he told MSM/what was reported earlier in the year, from Canada!). Or .... IMO could Police now think 'the local person they had a chat with' could actually be a conspirator to a potential more serious charge??? (but I'm being very careful what I'm saying here!). All possible/IMOO - based on facts MSM did report 'local man' of interest?!? So we don't know who it actually is! Or what the 'chat' may have been! ... who/what was AB supposed to have been a witness to exactly? Other than being one of 1st on scene of crime. So innocent until proven guilty n all that!!! But I'd love to know what they asked him specifically, in Canada! I.e did he see a certain person somewhere near/before/after incident??!!!
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maybe he saw or heard something or someone that the police. didn't think. was significant at the. time...either in the. hotel or in the town...didnt the police say in their latest output that they would be asking someone in for a chat, someone a lot of people have mentioned...would they be calling in ab from Canada...sounds. as if they're thinking of a different person to me...but who knows...maybe they just want his air miles
from what vw says , it doesn't seem as though there had been an arrangement for aw to go outside again...obviously. we dont know exactly was written on the envelope...if it was. something aggressive etc...but the. whole thing was. so strange that you wouldn't. have got me outside again in a. month of Sundays...I might have phoned a. few Wilsons in the phone book to see if they knew an alistair Wilson it could be meant for...and a few. neighbours. to tell them watch out.
where I live the police wouldn't. have. taken much. notice, so. no good. there
where I live the police wouldn't. have. taken much. notice, so. no good. there
I’ve been reading a fair bit about this case and just discovered this forum. I’ve also just finished the book Peter B wrote. I’ve not seen this theory before so I’m going to give it a bash.
If it was true he was seen placing large bets on the Friday before his murder then it’s not to hard to conceive they had landed him big money. My research has led me to believe this was an independent bookmakers located at 32-33 High Street Nairn IV12,4AU ( Scotscoupe ltd). It closed in 2011. This was not a big bookmakers but a small independent ltd business.
The bookmaker gave Alistair the betting slip, took his name and address and told him to come back on the Monday for his winnings, as they didn't keep that amount on the premises. However the bookmaker could not afford to pay that amount out as it would ruin him, so Sunday night, before he could go back Monday to collect his winnings, the bookie sent his violent friend round. On the doorstep he told Alistair he had called round with a cheque for his winnings and asked him for the winning betting slip.
Alistair went back inside for the betting slip taking the envelope he thought contained the cheque with him. Only to find it empty when he opened it. The killer knew he would return because of the promise of the money. When he did return with the betting slip, and informed the man the envelope was empty the man shot him, taking the winning betting slip and the envelope back! He was a bit bewildered by what the man had said as he was told he would have to go back Monday. But the fact he took the envelope says he knew about the context of the chat, or why take it?
Inside he didn’t tell his wife about the bet as he didn’t want her to know! This wouldn’t be unusual for us men not to want our wives to know we’d been betting, or we’re out in the pub with friends, when we should have been somewhere else,( still in his work suit) and this is why he didn’t discuss it with her and why the police are unaware of the motive .
If I am correct this could be a simple case of robbery, possibly by local criminal’s he’s asked or paid to go round? Could we perhaps find out what the bookies name was so long after?
could be miles of but worth a bash.
If it was true he was seen placing large bets on the Friday before his murder then it’s not to hard to conceive they had landed him big money. My research has led me to believe this was an independent bookmakers located at 32-33 High Street Nairn IV12,4AU ( Scotscoupe ltd). It closed in 2011. This was not a big bookmakers but a small independent ltd business.
The bookmaker gave Alistair the betting slip, took his name and address and told him to come back on the Monday for his winnings, as they didn't keep that amount on the premises. However the bookmaker could not afford to pay that amount out as it would ruin him, so Sunday night, before he could go back Monday to collect his winnings, the bookie sent his violent friend round. On the doorstep he told Alistair he had called round with a cheque for his winnings and asked him for the winning betting slip.
Alistair went back inside for the betting slip taking the envelope he thought contained the cheque with him. Only to find it empty when he opened it. The killer knew he would return because of the promise of the money. When he did return with the betting slip, and informed the man the envelope was empty the man shot him, taking the winning betting slip and the envelope back! He was a bit bewildered by what the man had said as he was told he would have to go back Monday. But the fact he took the envelope says he knew about the context of the chat, or why take it?
Inside he didn’t tell his wife about the bet as he didn’t want her to know! This wouldn’t be unusual for us men not to want our wives to know we’d been betting, or we’re out in the pub with friends, when we should have been somewhere else,( still in his work suit) and this is why he didn’t discuss it with her and why the police are unaware of the motive .
If I am correct this could be a simple case of robbery, possibly by local criminal’s he’s asked or paid to go round? Could we perhaps find out what the bookies name was so long after?
could be miles of but worth a bash.
The links car park out of Crescent rd and to the left where Cummings street is, is the most likely place any getaway driver would be waiting. No cameras and extremely dark. JMO
I am not sure I buy he was meant to put something in it. If he was he wouldn’t be confused about why it was empty Surely?
I think based on what his wife said, he only returned to the door based on what the killer had said. Therefore I wonder if he though what the killer had said ( re it’s contents ) was so important, he thought he should go back to the door To see if he could catch up with him.
If he really was never expected to return why is the man waiting for his return? I think he was always going to return tbh, he just played dumb to his wife.