Deceased/Not Found UK - April Jones, 5, Machynlleth, Wales, 1 Oct 2012 #3 *M. Bridger guilty*

[Charlie27]

I'm wondering What sort evidence could the police have found to be certain that she's no longer alive? It obviously must be very damning and conclusive for them to charge but for example say its blood or clothing how would that prove either way for definite that she is no longer alive? I wonder could it be photos on a phone or laptop for example? Sorry if I'm being dumb and i know this info is not gonna come out until any possible trial. As a dad myself to a young girl it doesnt bear thinking about - your daughter being missing and not knowing where she is or what's happened to her or why. So sad.

 

[sleuther317]

I'm wondering What sort evidence could the police have found to be certain that she's no longer alive? It obviously must be very damning and conclusive for them to charge but for example say its blood or clothing how would that prove either way for definite that she is no longer alive? I wonder could it be photos on a phone or laptop for example? Sorry if I'm being dumb and i know this info is not gonna come out until any possible trial. As a dad myself to a young girl it doesnt bear thinking about - your daughter being missing and not knowing where she is or what's happened to her or why. So sad.

There are a few other things I don't have the heart to post detail but along with large amounts of blood or bloody clothes, there is also bodily fluids and post mortem hair follicules.

 

[Insp.Dots]

IIRC normally the dates are from midnight the day before the person was last seen alive to midnight on the day the body was discovered.

In this case April was alive on 1st October so the start date is midnight on 30th September. In this case there is no body (yet) so I don't know how they've determined the end date. They can't be basing it on when MB was taken into custody otherwise it would be midnight on the 2nd Oct I would have thought. Maybe whatever they found which allowed them to add the charge of murder enabled them to determine latest possible time of death? Don't know

Gosh, just thinking.....you don't think it's possible she was left by him alive/dying? what an awful thought

 

[cluciano63]

The reason I would not want him to commit suicide if guilty, is due to the fact that she has not been found. They need that info and if he is alive, there is always a chance he might tell them eventually.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I don't think that in the earlier discussions, posters were saying there is lack of evidence. I thought the discussion was more around whether people "felt" it possible that MB could have done such a thing.

UK "no body" murder convictions, particularly of a child so young are practically unheard of. It is extremely unlikely that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) would have sanctioned proceeding with a murder charge if the evidence wasn't sufficient to give a good chance of conviction.

In the UK, once charges have been made the accused can't be questioned afresh about things related to that charge. If LE didn't think they had enough evidence for a murder charge they could have just charged MB with child abduction alone. I think if they had done that, it would have enabled them to continue to question MB about evidence relating to murder. They didn't do that - they charged him on both counts at once so they must be pretty confident with the evidence they have. IMO

Bearing in mind what you say about no further questioning relating to charge...What would happen now if HE decided he wanted to tell the truth where the body is or similar....would they just go in and listen to what he's got to say or does it have to go through some kind of procedure?? Sorry, I don't know much regarding this and you do seem to be very wise :rocker:

 

[cluciano63]

I know the police fast tracked forensics from the car.

I thought what they found which led to the change of the arrest charge was found at his house-I might be totally wrong about that.

What was given out originally was about forensics found in his home.

 

[wfgodot]

Lit lanterns released into the night sky over Machynlleth in tribute to April Jones.

http://images.scribblelive.com/2012/10/8/56698e38-fcd4-48fe-8076-ddfb4f71dcda_300.jpg

 

[Jasper52]

Superintendent Ian John, who has headed the investigation from the outset, said today: “We have to prepare for the time when we accept that we might never find April.

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...nd-missing-girl-91466-31992883/#ixzz28jnnQX1U

 

[Why why why]

Read More http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/2...nd-missing-girl-91466-31992883/#ixzz28jnnQX1U

That would truly be a shame. The next worst thing for her parents/family/community.

Lets hope they do find her or MB gives up and tells them (if its him).

 

[southernnana]

:dunno:


I am not certain if this Link has been posted previously ... interesting remark as it refers to the possibility of evidence discovery made by LE at the river. IMO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ses-on-areas-highlighted-by-arrested-man.html

Officers were understood to have begun searching the river after tyre marks were found on the bank at a spot where vehicles would not normally be parked. Mr Bridger has an ex-wife and a grown-up son who live on the same estate as April, as well as two ex-girlfriends living in Machynlleth.

<snipped> and BBM.

As I recall, two local ladies provided a tip to LE regarding seeing suspect Bridger walking down an embankment leading to the river. I will find the Link and repost it.

Surely, he would not be foolish enough to leave tire marks on a riverbank from either of the two vehicles he drove, or else he did not have time to get rid of them, if possible.

 

[squish]

It's funny how cultures vary. In some cultures it would be considered a welcome gesture of contrition or shame for a wrongdoer to commit suicide. And when I think how many families of victims gnash their teeth over the years as stories emerge of the perp having a color TV in his cell, having turkey at xmas, or being allowed out on day release, and then, finally coming up to the end of their term in jail... and how people clamour for the death penalty to return. What exactly *is* this fairly recent phemonenon of objection to a murderer taking their own life?

As someone who opposes the death penalty, it bothers me when criminals commit suicide because they're chickening out of facing up to their crime and sentence. Part of the reason I oppose the death penalty is because once they have died, that's it - no more punishment. Also, suicide means that they are in control and have "won" in a way, or "had the last say".

 

[Skigh]

Gosh, just thinking.....you don't think it's possible she was left by him alive/dying? what an awful thought

I think the forensic evidence shows she was dead.This I think was found in his house and perhaps also in his car.He then has taken Poor april's body somewhere. So I think she was not left suffering somewhere,

 

[squish]

Regarding the colour of the car, it's understandable that the witness was not accurate because April was abducted about 6:50 pm - it was already dark.

 

[Skigh]

Bearing in mind what you say about no further questioning relating to charge...What would happen now if HE decided he wanted to tell the truth where the body is or similar....would they just go in and listen to what he's got to say or does it have to go through some kind of procedure?? Sorry, I don't know much regarding this and you do seem to be very wise :rocker:

He can convey any information through his lawyer.

 

[squish]

That would truly be a shame. The next worst thing for her parents/family/community.

Lets hope they do find her or MB gives up and tells them (if its him).

It would be horrible - it would be like poor Keith's Bennett's family. The police have evidence to give them a good idea of where the body is (in one of two football pitch sized areas) but refuse to bother. They stated something about "closure" because Keith's mum recently died.

They need to remember that the family and friends are real victims too - just because the direct murder victim can no longer be saved, they still have a duty to help.

Obviously finding April will be more difficult, but they should make as much effort as possible.

 

[Skigh]

There are a few other things I don't have the heart to post detail but along with large amounts of blood or bloody clothes, there is also bodily fluids and post mortem hair follicules.

I do not think any of us have the heart to speculate about what the police might have found.

 

[opalsqueak63]

Gosh, just thinking.....you don't think it's possible she was left by him alive/dying? what an awful thought

Personally, I really don't think so.

The evidence that April is dead could be cadaverine, positive indication of specialist dogs, photographs, traces of hair, skin, body fluids, DNA in his house , items used to cut up or destroy or dissolve a body- they might have some of these. Apologies to the parents out there sorry.

For all we know he could have previous relevant convictions/arrests/charges in his past. He effectively left his home county and started a new life in this community. The press report locals stating that he said he had left the army following a back problem, yet the Ministry of Defence state he did not serve. His own Brother in Law said he was a fantacist who bragged about being in the SAS. (I do realise that being a fantacist does not make you a child murderer, but perhaps he was covering something in his past). We know absolutely nothing about his life before he came to Mac, do we, but the police will.

I am rooting for the police and have to believe they have a wealth of evidence. My problem is that if he is guilty he may never confess or say what actually happened and why. The poor family - may God have mercy on them.

JMO.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think the forensic evidence shows she was dead.This I think was found in his house and perhaps also in his car.He then has taken Poor april's body somewhere. So I think she was not left suffering somewhere,

Yes, I agree...I really don't think the Police COULD have bought the murder charge without those forensics. One question on that though...would a confession also be enough to charge with Murder?

It appears on various forums and social Networks people who knew him well, Ie: workmates and a neighbour of 8years as well as some parts of the Jones Family are in total disbelief and are convinced that it must have either been an accident or he's 'flipped' over something, they all say he was lovely with his younger kids, a 'good' man.... SO....They are in shock at him? or We have the possibility this was somehow 'unintended'? or the one that's harder for them to accept he is a cold-blooded Murderer??

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, I agree...I really don't think the Police COULD have bought the murder charge without those forensics. One question on that though...would a confession also be enough to charge with Murder?

It appears on various forums and social Networks people who knew him well, Ie: workmates and a neighbour of 8years as well as some parts of the Jones Family are in total disbelief and are convinced that it must have either been an accident or he's 'flipped' over something, they all say he was lovely with his younger kids, a 'good' man.... SO....They are in shock at him? or We have the possibility this was somehow 'unintended'? or the one that's harder for them to accept he is a cold-blooded Murderer??

Perhaps they wish to wait until he's found guilty before believing it?

 

[Why why why]

Yes, I agree...I really don't think the Police COULD have bought the murder charge without those forensics. One question on that though...would a confession also be enough to charge with Murder?

It appears on various forums and social Networks people who knew him well, Ie: workmates and a neighbour of 8years as well as some parts of the Jones Family are in total disbelief and are convinced that it must have either been an accident or he's 'flipped' over something, they all say he was lovely with his younger kids, a 'good' man.... SO....They are in shock at him? or We have the possibility this was somehow 'unintended'? or the one that's harder for them to accept he is a cold-blooded Murderer??

They could charge him on the basis of a confession but they would still have to back it up by forensic evidence, etc. as he could retract his confession later or say he was forced/coerced into making it.

IMO it was no accident nor was it unintended - he would have told the police where her body is all this time.