GUILTY UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020 #3

[Jonnyafc]

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Question for you Dexman. Are you comfortable with TH being back on the streets of the UK ever again? After the snippets of what we’ve been told?

 

[DexMan]

Question for you Dexman. Are you comfortable with TH being back on the streets of the UK ever again? After the snippets of what we’ve been told?

That’s a good question. It doesn’t bother me. His crimes are disgusting and I am pleased he is in prison for a long time. He’ll never be allowed his own children and will never be allowed around children and rightly so. But I also think that he didn’t kidnap a child to abuse, I don’t think he is a danger to society as such.

easy for me to say now though, 12/13 years before his release. I wouldn’t want him as a neighbour though so I guess that contradicts my point.

 

[Dotta]

That’s a good question. It doesn’t bother me. His crimes are disgusting and I am pleased he is in prison for a long time. He’ll never be allowed his own children and will never be allowed around children and rightly so. But I also think that he didn’t kidnap a child to abuse, I don’t think he is a danger to society as such.

easy for me to say now though, 12/13 years before his release. I wouldn’t want him as a neighbour though so I guess that contradicts my point.

What do you mean that he will never be allowed to have his own children?

 

[DexMan]

What do you mean that he will never be allowed to have his own children?

If he were to have more children, they would be taken off him

 

[Dotta]

If he were to have more children, they would be taken off him

Was it stated by the Judge?

So, why did he still have a say in Arthur's funeral?
Why did his lawyer have to ask for his permission to let Olivia's family to organise the funeral?

 

[ChloLo]

Was it stated by the Judge?

So, why did he still have a say in Arthur's funeral?
Why did his lawyer have to ask for his permission to let Olivia's family to organise the funeral?

No it wasn’t. If TH was to have any children in the future, social services would have to under take an assessment and see if he would be considered a risk. It’s not a given that any children he went on to have would be taken. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate.

Both TH and OLH are Arthur’s NoK, we don’t know many facts about the funeral situation. My assumption is that both NoK having a dispute meant neither would allow Arthur’s body to be released. At least it has been resolved and Arthur can finally be laid to rest.

 

[Tortoise]

Was it stated by the Judge?

So why did he still have a say in Arthur's funeral?
Why did his lawyer have to ask for his permission to let Olivia's family to organise the funeral?

I'm just guessing here - as parents they would have an equal say in his funeral arrangements. If they can't agree then it 's a matter for the civil law courts. He backed down when he was convicted and that, together with his not guilty pleas and blaming everything on ET, leads me to believe he had serious hopes of being acquitted, which would have meant as the only parent not in prison he was more likely to have had a stronger case for making funeral arrangements. JMO

 

[Dotta]

I'm just guessing here - as parents they would have an equal say in his funeral arrangements. If they can't agree then it 's a matter for the civil law courts. He backed down when he was convicted and that, together with his not guilty pleas and blaming everything on ET, leads me to believe he had serious hopes of being acquitted, which would have meant as the only parent not in prison he was more likely to have had a stronger case for making funeral arrangements. JMO

I understand all this.

I asked this question in reference of DexMan's statement that TH's future kids will be automatically separated from him.

If so, this provision should start at once, after his conviction.
No right to decide about Arthur, even after his death.

Have I expressed myself clearly?

I try my best using a foreign language haha

 

[DexMan]

My understanding of the law is that he wouldn’t be able to have custody of any future children.

also, from what has been said via other platforms, the issue of the funeral had nothing to do with TH but was a dispute between families. His barrister said that TH had remained passive regarding the funeral, but had instructed his family to allow OH to have the ashes. <modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't discuss it.>

 

[Dotta]

My understanding of the law is that he wouldn’t be able to have custody of any future children.

also, from what has been said via other platforms, the issue of the funeral had nothing to do with TH but was a dispute between families. His barrister said that TH had remained passive regarding the funeral, but had instructed his family to allow OH to have the ashes. <modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't discuss it.>

No rest for this poor soul - not during his life, nor after his death.

But then, everybody who took part in this drama will be held accountable - in life or after death.

 

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[Jonnyafc]

What


i don’t know them enough to offer that insight.

Question for you Dexman. Are you comfortable with TH being back on the streets of the UK ever again? After the snippets of what we’ve been told?

That’s a good question. It doesn’t bother me. His crimes are disgusting and I am pleased he is in prison for a long time. He’ll never be allowed his own children and will never be allowed around children and rightly so. But I also think that he didn’t kidnap a child to abuse, I don’t think he is a danger to society as such.

easy for me to say now though, 12/13 years before his release. I wouldn’t want him as a neighbour though so I guess that contradicts my point.

Personally I think with it being his own child it’s worse than kidnapping a kid off the street. If you’re willing to abuse your own kids like that god help what he could do to a strangers. Everybody is deemed normal till they do something like this & you see what a person is really capable of.

Admin any chance you can stop playing the video at the top of the thread of Arthur with the blanket? Kills me every time I see it please?

 

[ChloLo]

Question for you Dexman. Are you comfortable with TH being back on the streets of the UK ever again? After the snippets of what we’ve been told?


Personally I think with it being his own child it’s worse than kidnapping a kid off the street. If you’re willing to abuse your own kids like that god help what he could do to a strangers. Everybody is deemed normal till they do something like this & you see what a person is really capable of.

Admin any chance you can stop playing the video at the top of the thread of Arthur with the blanket? Kills me every time I see it please?

What makes TH any different to any other killer or criminal that’s served a sentence and been released? Truth is you never know who you’re walking past in the street.

 

[Dotta]

What makes TH any different to any other killer or criminal that’s served a sentence and been released? Truth is you never know who you’re walking past in the street.

What makes the difference?

Our emotional ties to this case I guess.
ET and TH have become archetypal symbols of cruel and soulless "guardians".
And Arthur - the eternal victim.
You can't reason with emotions.

That is why the public outcry must not be ignored or rationalised.
People are terrified that anybody, any vulnerable person, be it a child, a senior, a mentally deficient, may be treated like this and no social service or other agency/force will intervene.

Vox Populi Vox Dei.

And those who ignore this truth, always fail.

 

[Jonnyafc]

What makes TH any different to any other killer or criminal that’s served a sentence and been released? Truth is you never know who you’re walking past in the street.

yes and I wouldn’t want them on the street either

 

[ChloLo]

What makes the difference?

Our emotional ties to this case I guess.
ET and TH have become archetypal symbols of cruel and soulless "guardians".
And Arthur - the eternal victim.
You can't reason with emotions.

That is why the public outcry must not be ignored or rationalised.
People are terrified that anybody, any vulnerable person, be it a child, a senior, a mentally deficient, may be treated like this and no social service or other agency/force will intervene.

Vox Populi Vox Dei.

And those who ignore this truth, always fail.

Arthur’s not the first and sadly he won’t be the last. Neither will TH and ET

yes and I wouldn’t want them on the street either

But what if I said some of them already are? Once a sentence is served and the parole board satisfied people are released.

 

[Dotta]

Arthur’s not the first and sadly he won’t be the last. Neither will TH and ET

Some victims become Symbols.

They draw more public's attention than others.

Sarah E. became the symbol of the woman who "was just going home",

George F. of a man who "couldn't breathe",

Arthur LH - a boy whom "Nobody loved".

All these reflect public's longings and values:
safe way home, the right to breathe freely, the right to be cherished.

If these values are threatened, people feel anxious and show their anger.

And they want changes.

 

[Jonnyafc]

Arthur’s not the first and sadly he won’t be the last. Neither will TH and ET



But what if I said some of them already are? Once a sentence is served and the parole board satisfied people are released.

I know they’re amongst us. We are discussing TH & ET. If we were discussing other criminals my viewpoint would be the same. The case we are all talking about I feel that both of them should be in jail for life. They are both as culpable as each other for Arthur.
This star Hobson case today same sort of setup. Looks like a step mum is jealous of the other half’s kid and has killed her. But both have been abusing her.
Both are as bad and shouldn’t be let out again.
All this one has been lead by the other is nonsense, if you are allowing it & participating you’re as much too blame as the person that delivers the fatal blow.
I’m satisfied ET won’t be out again or if she is she’ll have served hard time and lost her life. TH is going to be out in 12 years. Let that sink in. 12 years. It’s nothing.

 

[Riparthur]

I know TH faced a trial and jury but he should also face the relentless questions the public has for him

ET was evil and menacing with her treatment of Arthur but how on earth did he not believe a word his own flesh and blood said.

I have a 6yo they’re very clear and articulate at this age. Arthur would’ve said repeatedly that ET was hurting him. How did he not believe him….


where was TH ALL DAY?!? How did he miss Arthur’s meals for weeks ?!?? Did he ever ask him why he was spitting his meals out??

I wish we could ask TH what his goal was with Arthur….

schools were opening up he couldn’t hide him any longer…..yet he didn’t seem to stop the snacking /bruising ….. in the same breath it sounds like he did want him to return to school

I think he was deluded and really did believe the more they punished him that his “behavior” would improve and they would live happily ever after …. Delusional !!!

I firmly believe Arthur reminded TH of everything that went wrong with OLivia and he just wanted to forget that part of his life and start anew with ET.
fhats how he was able to disassociate from Arthur mentally.

He just wanted to forget Arthur existed and was able to have ET just deal with him.

either way my biggest question to TH is why he didn’t hand Arthur over to people who did want and love him

How did he not see what was blatantly obvious.
I hope he is riddled with guilt now

You can’t hide from yourself

 

[Dotta]

I know TH faced a trial and jury but he should also face the relentless questions the public has for him

ET was evil and menacing with her treatment of Arthur but how on earth did he not believe a word his own flesh and blood said.

I have a 6yo they’re very clear and articulate at this age. Arthur would’ve said repeatedly that ET was hurting him. How did he not believe him….


where was TH ALL DAY?!? How did he miss Arthur’s meals for weeks ?!?? Did he ever ask him why he was spitting his meals out??

I wish we could ask TH what his goal was with Arthur….

schools were opening up he couldn’t hide him any longer…..yet he didn’t seem to stop the snacking /bruising ….. in the same breath it sounds like he did want him to return to school

I think he was deluded and really did believe the more they punished him that his “behavior” would improve and they would live happily ever after …. Delusional !!!

I firmly believe Arthur reminded TH of everything that went wrong with OLivia and he just wanted to forget that part of his life and start anew with ET.
fhats how he was able to disassociate from Arthur mentally.

He just wanted to forget Arthur existed and was able to have ET just deal with him.

either way my biggest question to TH is why he didn’t hand Arthur over to people who did want and love him

How did he not see what was blatantly obvious.
I hope he is riddled with guilt now

You can’t hide from yourself

Asking for his remorse is like asking a stone to cry.