UK - Arthur Labinjo Hughes, 6, killed, dad & friend arrested, June 2020

[ScottishSam]

Was there much said about how TH handled things when Arthur woke at 3am the night before he died with a headache? Did he even get him water at that stage, I would love to know how he treated him at times like that when ET wasnt awake
Like for him to say Arthur seemed grand at 1pm the day he died, before TH left the house to get the cake etc, seems mad, wasnt he barely able to walk up the stairs in the hairdressers house that morning. I am not buying it they he was as lead as he makes out by ET, he must have seen how in bits Arthur was, when he walked out that door to go to the shops with ET's two kids

I got the impression ET was complaining because he was 'screaming' and the other people in the house were trying to sleep. Sure TH said something to that effect. How callous can a person be?!!

 

[Tinksx]

She made a big deal talking about how she'd suffered life changing injuries, the pain, the chronic infections, yet she was able to pick Arthur up with one hand, and drag him from room to room several times. What was telling for me was the fact she'd stopped taking her psychiatric medications.

Had she stopped taking them though? Or is that her angle of defence….

 

[Carroll520]

She seems to come from pathological family.
Sexually abused by a stepfather?
This is too much for me

And didnt her new step father and her Mum say they called social services over Arthur and there was no record of it. Her family seem dodgey, where I get a nice vibe off TH's especially his Mum, she seems lovely

 

[Carroll520]

She seems to come from pathological family.
Sexually abused by a stepfather?
This is too much for me

And didnt her new step father and her Mum say they called social services over Arthur and there was no record of it. Her family seem dodgey, where I get a nice vibe off TH's especially his Mum, she seems lovely

 

[Carroll520]

I got the impression ET was complaining because he was 'screaming' and the other people in the house were trying to sleep. Sure TH said something to that effect. How callous can a person be?!!

Yep the poor little guy was probably in the midst of salt poisining and probably feeling terrible. I dont get how the hairdresser and her hubbie let him leave their house in that state. Shows the kind of people they were hanging around with

 

[ScottishSam]

Ok so let’s say the children went to their fathers as she had attempted suicide and was in a bad shape both physically and mentally. I understand that completely. Once she was on the road to recovery, why would there be no contact? Not even supervised contact in a contact centre? Just straight, no contact and no mention of them ever again? That doesn’t sit will with me. She may well have led a chaotic lifestyle, but for there to be absolutely no contact at all, screams that there is something more to come out once this trial is over

Definitely, if she was a loving mother every attempt would have been made to reunite the family. The fact this didn't happen is concerning. But, why was she allowed to go and have 2 more - did they move from their LA and fall under the radar. Or was she deemed no longer a risk. If I was a social worker going to investigate bruises on a boy, who had recently moved in with a woman who had 2 children removed previously- I'd be concerned

 

[Tinksx]

Definitely, if she was a loving mother every attempt would have been made to reunite the family. The fact this didn't happen is concerning. But, why was she allowed to go and have 2 more - did they move from their LA and fall under the radar. Or was she deemed no longer a risk. If I was a social worker going to investigate bruises on a boy, who had recently moved in with a woman who had 2 children removed previously- I'd be concerned

She changed her name. I know that much. If you look on Facebook, when she went missing, there was a post about her saying she went by a different last name.

 

[ScottishSam]

Yep the poor little guy was probably in the midst of salt poisining and probably feeling terrible. I dont get how the hairdresser and her hubbie let him leave their house in that state. Shows the kind of people they were hanging around with

When he said 'it's not my place' I couldn't believe it. He said he had no concrete proof Arthur was being denied anything. Yet his lips were cracked and dry, he could barely talk or walk, and he'd been shouted at the whole time he was in their home. How much more proof does one need?

 

[Carroll520]

She probably would have been, opiates or gabapentin type meds. I've read a few things about her elsewhere.... doesn't seem like a nice person

Yeah i wonder would painkillers like that cause agression, not looking for excuses for her, just trying to get my head around her evilness. Yeah i heard that alright, I couldnt find any info, i bet it will all come out after the trial

 

[ScottishSam]

Had she stopped taking them though? Or is that her angle of defence….

I think it's her angle of defence. She was able to organise a haircut, get her birthday organised. Doesn't sound like someone who's came off their meds to me

 

[Dotta]

Yep the poor little guy was probably in the midst of salt poisining and probably feeling terrible. I dont get how the hairdresser and her hubbie let him leave their house in that state. Shows the kind of people they were hanging around with

ET was her client.
Business is business for some people.

 

[Carroll520]

Definitely, if she was a loving mother every attempt would have been made to reunite the family. The fact this didn't happen is concerning. But, why was she allowed to go and have 2 more - did they move from their LA and fall under the radar. Or was she deemed no longer a risk. If I was a social worker going to investigate bruises on a boy, who had recently moved in with a woman who had 2 children removed previously- I'd be concerned

Yes, my god i never even thought of that, Arthurs file should have been noted as high risk due to her having two kids already taken off her!!
I get the feeling she is very charismatic or a good liar when put face to face with her and probably charmed those social workers. No excuse for them though. I wonder will we get to see video clips from the trial when its over

 

[Dotta]

I think it's her angle of defence. She was able to organise a haircut, get her birthday organised. Doesn't sound like someone who's came off their meds to me

I understood they were psychiatric meds.
It was this context. MOO

 

[Carroll520]

When he said 'it's not my place' I couldn't believe it. He said he had no concrete proof Arthur was being denied anything. Yet his lips were cracked and dry, he could barely talk or walk, and he'd been shouted at the whole time he was in their home. How much more proof does one need?

Your heart would literally break seeing a child in that state. Jasus were they all on drugs or something. It just doesnt add up

 

[Carroll520]

She changed her name. I know that much. If you look on Facebook, when she went missing, there was a post about her saying she went by a different last name.

Yeah she used to be Dutton i think, wonder why she changed her name. Did anyone find her fb profile, i tried but couldnt

 

[ScottishSam]

Yeah i wonder would painkillers like that cause agression, not looking for excuses for her, just trying to get my head around her evilness. Yeah i heard that alright, I couldnt find any info, i bet it will all come out after the trial

I just think she was aggressive full stop. In my experience pain meds don't make a person aggressive, they can lower inhibitions to a certain extent but tend to make people giddy. As you build up a tolerance that giddiness reduces and people level out in terms of being able to live a normal life relatively pain free. It could be that if she had stopped taking her psych meds then all rational thought and her ability to analyse and deal with a situation is reduced. I don't doubt her childhood left her with emotional trauma, but there's a line that most people wouldn't ever cross. And I'm somewhat sceptical as to if she did stop taking her psych meds

 

[Tinksx]

Your heart would literally break seeing a child in that state. Jasus were they all on drugs or something. It just doesnt add up

Think it might have something to do with the fact we were in lockdown and an illegal hair appointment was taking place and the fines were astronomical back then.

 

[Carroll520]

Think it might have something to do with the fact we were in lockdown and an illegal hair appointment was taking place and the fines were astronomical back then.

Oh yes, i was forgeting that about lockdown and it was very early into lockdown too, so very frowned upon

 

[Tinksx]

Yeah she used to be Dutton i think, wonder why she changed her name. Did anyone find her fb profile, i tried but couldnt

I’m thinking she changed her name due to the fact she has no contact with her eldest children whatsoever and somehow ended up having 2 more children (who also had a file opened and closed with SS before Arthur even came along). JMO

 

[Dotta]

Yeah she used to be Dutton i think, wonder why she changed her name. Did anyone find her fb profile, i tried but couldnt

It is so interesting!
I never knew.
Did she go to Court to change the surname?
I always thought it was a difficult legal proces.
Phew!