Recovered/Located UK - Cardiff - 3 Women & 2 Men Missing, leaving nightclub approx 2am, Newport, 4 March 2023

[CoverMeCagney]

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I sincerely hope the three who died were killed instantly, and that the survivors recover well. It would be hideous to find some of them could have been saved

 

[wizardizzo76]

Does anyone know the roundabout? The area indicated seems to have speed bumps going by the road markings. I'm thinking of the Darlington crash where he was found in the roundabout. They didn't spot anything from the road because he was essentially airborne. I have no idea if this is possible, but I'm wondering if hitting a speed bumps at very high speed could send you airborne, or cause a tyre blow out etc

 

[squish]

It's very simple: They should have graded the risk at least one level higher on Saturday, taking into account the very unusual circumstances of the disappearance. This comes down to the discretion of the officers involved, and this notion that all young people are liable to just go missing after a night out because they're hungover somewhere is ridiculous and unhelpful.

If they'd graded Medium instead of Low, searches would have happened the Saturday.

Exactly. Entire groups of young people don't go missing. If it was one person, I could understand their reasoning.

But not 3 young girls, all of them unreachable, and known to have gone off with two young men with criminal records, who themselves turned out to be missing.

Sophie's mum has confirmed the police weren't interested. Maybe more lives could have been saved if they'd received medical attention quicker, and maybe the survivors would be in better condition.

 

[shinimeggie]

It must be a very tough line for police between allowing people to do what they want (e.g., go sleep at someone else's house and not call your family) and assuming something bad has happened.

People would also complain if the police clumsily broke into every place a phone signal from a person lead them to after only being missing a couple of days, because we all know most missing persons stories do end and they do end well, with the person being found.

It is unusual cases like this where it must be very hard to decide when to go beyond the line of respecting someone's privacy and right to their own life (including not contacting their family) and when to set up to follow phone signals or whatever led them to this outcome.

That's not to mention the cost of diving head in to every single missing person's case, just the confusing ethics around it all. The cost alone would mean it's not possible to give the same attention to every single case of a person missing say, over 24 hours.

 

[Nikynoo]

Pictured: Crash scene where three died and two injured in Cardiff

The white Volkswagen Tiguan carrying Sophie Russon, 20, Eve Smith, 21, Darcy Ross, 21, Rafel Jeanne, 24, and Shane Loughlin, 32, was discovered in trees just off the A48 in Cardiff.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alyce]

does a year ban start from the day you are caught or the day you go to Court?

Starts from the Court date

 

[3point5]

It's very simple: They should have graded the risk at least one level higher on Saturday, taking into account the very unusual circumstances of the disappearance. This comes down to the discretion of the officers involved, and this notion that all young people are liable to just go missing after a night out because they're hungover somewhere is ridiculous and unhelpful.

If they'd graded Medium instead of Low, searches would have happened the Saturday.

With hindsight that's a great suggestion. However for the 99/100 times people turn up fine, all of a sudden the police get accused of wasting police time.

Is 5 people not being heard from that unusual? I know a handful of years ago when I used to frequent clubs and free parties, a weekend bender wasn't exactly unusual.

I think there's an awful lot of people criticising the pili r on this thread, whilst having very little information about the police response.

 

[UK Girl]

Starts from the Court date

hmm ok thanks

 

[Alyce]

Pictured: Crash scene where three died and two injured in Cardiff

The white Volkswagen Tiguan carrying Sophie Russon, 20, Eve Smith, 21, Darcy Ross, 21, Rafel Jeanne, 24, and Shane Loughlin, 32, was discovered in trees just off the A48 in Cardiff.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From Niky's link......



Mike Holmes, a driver at the scene this morning, said: 'It's incredible that thousands of cars must have gone past without knowing.

'The car has come off the roundabout and gone into the trees, there's a bit of a dip so you just can't see it.

Mr Holmes said there was no debris in the road and no sign of any other vehicle being involved.

 

[Ironside]

It’s far too early to say if the police or even the driver were at fault here. There will be a fatal accident inquiry and we shall see what comes out then.

 

[Aizeneh]

Utterly tragic outcome. I hope the families are being well supported. Horrible that Eve’a sister also passed away in tragic circumstances.

Please consider wearing a smart watch that can detect car crashes and call emergency services with the exact location if you’re unresponsive.

 

[rightsaidfred]

Does anyone know the roundabout? The area indicated seems to have speed bumps going by the road markings. I'm thinking of the Darlington crash where he was found in the roundabout. They didn't spot anything from the road because he was essentially airborne. I have no idea if this is possible, but I'm wondering if hitting a speed bumps at very high speed could send you airborne, or cause a tyre blow out etc

I do know the roundabout, but don't drive it every week and can't remember if there's speed bumps. Biggest thing in my mind is that it's a road which takes you from 70 to 30mph limit quite quickly with a bit of a bend in the road followed by a roundabout. They appear to have come off at the bend

It looks like they've come off at the area highlighted in orange on this screenshot. It's not uncommon for fake speed bump marks to be painted on the road, and I can't see (or remember) any real speed bumps. I'd probably remember too as it's easy to go a bit too fast along there and the suspension on one of my cars is dire.

It’s far too early to say if the police or even the driver were at fault here. There will be a fatal accident inquiry and we shall see what comes out then.

Bit nitpicky but a fatal accident inquiry is a Scottish process; in Wales the equivalent is an Inquest.

 

[guvnor]

Looks to be a traffic camera that might of caught the entire thing.

 

[annpats]

I really wish whatever the current process is for retrieving cell phone location data was made easier and standardized across the board because the amount of time it takes LE to obtain said data seems to vary case to case. Needless to say, that information is much more valuable to LE sooner rather than later in situations like this.

Part of the problem in this case (as with many in the UK) is that the police didn't want to know.

When one of the girl's mothers kept contacting police regarding her missing daughter, she was told to stop calling them!

Missing woman's mum says cops 'said STOP ringing & assumed she was hungover'

THE mum of a woman who disappeared with pals before three were found dead claims cops told her to “stop ringing” and “assumed her daughter was just hungover”. Cops this morn…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[sriraaacha]

Wow this is so sad Do we know which of the people are in hospital right now? I've read through a couple of articles but it doesn't seem to state this info.

 

[NextSprint]

With hindsight that's a great suggestion. However for the 99/100 times people turn up fine, all of a sudden the police get accused of wasting police time.

Is 5 people not being heard from that unusual? I know a handful of years ago when I used to frequent clubs and free parties, a weekend bender wasn't exactly unusual.

I think there's an awful lot of people criticising the pili r on this thread, whilst having very little information about the police response.

Of course it’s unusual, if the parents of the three girls insist it is highly unusual behaviour, all sets of parents independently. Plus if they’re usually on social media 24/7 that is also a sign the police should have taken into account. Just a wee bit more risk aversion would have sped this up.

 

[JMLx]

This is reminding me so much of Lamara Bell & John Yuill, it’s all I’ve thought about this morning. The only difference being a call was made to the police regarding their crash, it just wasn’t followed up. My thoughts are with all those involved. I had a horrible feeling they’d be found in the trees when I looked on google maps last night as the helicopter started circling.

 

[NextSprint]

Part of the problem in this case (as with many in the UK) is that the police didn't want to know.

When one of the girl's mothers kept contacting police regarding her missing daughter, she was told to stop calling them!

Missing woman's mum says cops 'said STOP ringing & assumed she was hungover'

THE mum of a woman who disappeared with pals before three were found dead claims cops told her to “stop ringing” and “assumed her daughter was just hungover”. Cops this morn…

www.thesun.co.uk

This is outrageous.

 

[3point5]

Of course it’s unusual, if the parents of the three girls insist it is highly unusual behaviour, all sets of parents independently. Plus if they’re usually on social media 24/7 that is also a sign the police should have taken into account. Just a wee bit more risk aversion would have sped this up.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sadly, they're all adults, and all have a right to privacy. The police can't just go geolocating them because they do something 'unusual'.

Unusual things happen all the time. If we sent a helicopter up and put this much resources into every person reported as missing within the first few hours, the country would be bancrupt by lunchtime.

 

[NextSprint]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Sadly, they're all adults, and all have a right to privacy. The police can't just go geolocating them because they do something 'unusual'.

Unusual things happen all the time. If we sent a helicopter up and put this much resources into every person reported as missing within the first few hours, the country would be bancrupt by lunchtime.

I know, and we aren't too far apart on this. I fully get what you're saying. But there are workflows and processes that the police are meant to work through, and then they apply discretion at certain junctures. According to those, it was most definitely a missing persons case - going beyond the unusual into the problematic - it's just that the police didn't seem to want to listen to the parents enough while applying their discretion, and try to understand that for those girls at least it was a highly unusual thing for all three to be missing at the same time.

Missing Persons Risk = context + background. The system allows for a million different circumstances to shape the risk grade, but if discretion ends up being filtered through a narrow-sighted worldview of the officers involved, the grade is compromised by those worldviews/prejudices.